Old Bear
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01-06-19 09:05 PM - Post#271576
On a doink! That sucks.
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SteveChop
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Reg: 07-28-07
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01-06-19 09:13 PM - Post#271579
In response to Old Bear
Not from here. Looked pretty good to me! I had just gotten through saying to my wife that calling time out to "ice" the kicker is a lot of nonsense. I'm a believer now! GO IGGLES!
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10Q
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01-06-19 09:40 PM - Post#271580
In response to SteveChop
I'm so very sick of the iggles.
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Streamers
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01-06-19 09:55 PM - Post#271582
In response to 10Q
I feel badly for the Bear fans, but there is happiness in my home (and my wallet)
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: Eagles 01-06-19 09:59 PM - Post#271583
In response to Old Bear
On a doink! That sucks.
That, my friend, was a double-doink.
I cannot think of a crazier ending to a football game.
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Ted
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Re: Eagles 01-06-19 10:46 PM - Post#271584
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
Penn - Harvard 1982?
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section110
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Re: Eagles 01-06-19 11:43 PM - Post#271586
In response to Ted
Cal- Stanford, I believe the same year?
I've seen the replay. The Harvard guy unquestionably ran into our kicker.
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10Q
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01-07-19 08:44 AM - Post#271596
In response to section110
I don't get the rule on that play where the Bear completion was made, but because no one picked up the ball after the whistle blew, it was ruled an incompletion. That is a very dumb rule. Once the whistle blew, the play is over. He caught the ball. It's a catch. Might have cost the Bears the game.
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TigerFan
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01-07-19 09:29 AM - Post#271600
In response to 10Q
Great couple of weekends for this Tiger Hoops & Eagles fan. Go birds!
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Quakers03
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Eagles 01-07-19 11:29 AM - Post#271610
In response to SteveChop
Not from here. Looked pretty good to me! I had just gotten through saying to my wife that calling time out to "ice" the kicker is a lot of nonsense. I'm a believer now! GO IGGLES!
Doug fully admitted that he waited until the last second in the hopes that Parkey would kick a practice kick and make it. It seems the second one after a make is ALWAYS harder. Nicely done, coach.
I don't get the rule on that play where the Bear completion was made, but because no one picked up the ball after the whistle blew, it was ruled an incompletion. That is a very dumb rule. Once the whistle blew, the play is over. He caught the ball. It's a catch. Might have cost the Bears the game.
If the ref isn't standing over the ball saying incomplete, an Eagles player would have recovered. The Bears didn't get screwed at all. Not even a little bit.
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Jeff2sf
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01-07-19 11:40 AM - Post#271614
In response to Quakers03
First I should say the rule makes perfect sense to me. Too often the NFL is criticized for technicalities but this seemed very obvious, there was no chance to recover the ball so why would we be penalized?
Having said that, I did not remember 84 being so close. I think it's about 50/50, or maybe 60/40 for the Eagles, that we recover that ball since sullivan was going the complete opposite direction, leblanc was showboating a bit and C Graham was a yard or two behind 84. I'm not looking to get into a huge debate over that and am willing to be convinced, but it's funny because I completely blocked that out last night and was sure there were only Eagles in the vicinity. https://www.sbnation.com/2019/1/6/18171179/chi cago...
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Streamers
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Eagles 01-07-19 11:40 AM - Post#271615
In response to 10Q
I don't get the rule on that play where the Bear completion was made, but because no one picked up the ball after the whistle blew, it was ruled an incompletion. That is a very dumb rule. Once the whistle blew, the play is over. He caught the ball. It's a catch. Might have cost the Bears the game.
According to the commentators, there is an obscure rule in the book that says a catch that is fumbled and not recovered is considered incomplete. I still think NY might have made that one up on the fly, but it was the correct outcome, IMHO, given that the platy was whistled and signaled incomplete. However, Dungy said he always told his players to cover the call in that situation and he is absolutely right.
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Quakers03
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01-07-19 11:43 AM - Post#271617
In response to Streamers
Considering they cost the Eagles the division a few weeks ago at Dallas, at least this was a legitimate rule.
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10Q
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Re: Eagles 01-07-19 12:39 PM - Post#271634
In response to Streamers
Yes, I get that this is the rule. But it's a nonsensical rule and it may have cost the Bears the game.
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10Q
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Re: Eagles 01-07-19 12:39 PM - Post#271635
In response to Quakers03
IT WAS A COMPLETE PASS
PERIOD
You can't uncomplete a pass.
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Jeff2sf
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01-07-19 12:40 PM - Post#271636
In response to 10Q
but why do you see it as nonsensical? you're just supposed to erase a clear fumble? Eagles had a better than average shot at the ball.
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10Q
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01-07-19 12:43 PM - Post#271638
In response to Jeff2sf
No one recovered it. So that's a non-factor.
What's undeniable is that there was a catch. You can't uncomplete a pass.
It's a clear flaw in the rule and a flaw in the entire replay system. A whistle always wreaks havoc with a replay system.
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palestra38
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01-07-19 12:46 PM - Post#271642
In response to 10Q
What do you mean it is not arguable? That ball was not a catch in my opinion. Defender's hand in there fighting all the way to the ground and broke it loose. That's the mistake as I see it. And when the whistle is blown, how do you expect someone to go for the loose ball? It ended up being the right call, but for the wrong reason. And no Bears fan (or someone rooting for the Bears) has a legitimate gripe there--they got 3 points. Might have come away with zero.
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10Q
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Eagles 01-07-19 12:47 PM - Post#271643
In response to palestra38
You can certainly argue that it wasn't a catch. But assuming a catch, the ruling was dumb.
And yes, once the whistle is blown, the play is dead and you go back to it being a catch.
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palestra38
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Re: Eagles 01-07-19 12:49 PM - Post#271645
In response to 10Q
Why would you reverse the call if the play was ruled incomplete and the whistle blown? It is precisely for that reason that the rule is that if no one tries to pick it up, it is not reversible.
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