Untitled Document
Brown Columbia Cornell Dartmouth Harvard Penn Princeton Yale



Username Post: Pennsylvania Redux        (Topic#22454)
Eric Von Zipper 
Sophomore
Posts: 159

Age: 66
Reg: 11-11-17
01-11-19 09:38 PM - Post#272145    

Opens Pennsylvania -7

 
whitakk 
Junior
Posts: 277

Age: 28
Reg: 11-11-14
01-12-19 09:51 AM - Post#272169    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

Llewellyn’s 2-17 was the worst Princeton shooting performance in at least a decade:
http://cbbref.com/tiny/zxnHe

Very curious to see how he bounces back.

 
LyleGold 
Masters Student
Posts: 919

Reg: 11-22-04
01-12-19 01:15 PM - Post#272182    
    In response to whitakk

  • whitakk Said:
Llewellyn’s 2-17 was the worst Princeton shooting performance in at least a decade:
http://cbbref.com/tiny/zxnHe

Very curious to see how he bounces back.



I expect him to put up even bigger numbers - maybe 2-27 instead.

 
Mike Porter 
Postdoc
Posts: 2697
Mike Porter
Loc: Los Angeles, CA
Reg: 11-21-04
01-12-19 02:02 PM - Post#272190    
    In response to LyleGold

I fully expect him to shoot better and see him as the wildcard, but hopefully Penn can continue to defend him well.

 
Eric Von Zipper 
Sophomore
Posts: 159

Age: 66
Reg: 11-11-17
01-12-19 02:41 PM - Post#272193    
    In response to Mike Porter

Princeton has won 16 of the last 20 meetings.

Betting line has drifted down to Pennsylvania -6.

 
rbg 
PhD Student
Posts: 1695

Reg: 10-20-14
01-12-19 02:57 PM - Post#272199    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

According to Live Stats, the starting lineups are:

Princeton - Llewellyn, Cannady, Stephens, Desrosiers and Aririguzoh

Penn - Woods, Goodman, Washington, Wang and Brodeur


 
Eric Von Zipper 
Sophomore
Posts: 159

Age: 66
Reg: 11-11-17
01-12-19 02:57 PM - Post#272200    
    In response to LyleGold

  • LyleGold Said:
  • whitakk Said:
Llewellyn’s 2-17 was the worst Princeton shooting performance in at least a decade:
http://cbbref.com/tiny/zxnHe

Very curious to see how he bounces back.



I expect him to put up even bigger numbers - maybe 2-27 instead.




Get real. In the history of D1 college basketball no one has gone 2-27.

 
LyleGold 
Masters Student
Posts: 919

Reg: 11-22-04
01-12-19 03:18 PM - Post#272207    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

  • Eric Von Zipper Said:
  • LyleGold Said:
  • whitakk Said:
Llewellyn’s 2-17 was the worst Princeton shooting performance in at least a decade:
http://cbbref.com/tiny/zxnHe

Very curious to see how he bounces back.



I expect him to put up even bigger numbers - maybe 2-27 instead.




Get real. In the history of D1 college basketball no one has gone 2-27.



Ha, finally someone took the bait. Well, he’s got on 0-for going so far. Maybe a cumulative 2-27?


 
gokinsmen 
Postdoc
Posts: 2676

Reg: 02-06-10
Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 03:47 PM - Post#272234    
    In response to LyleGold

Started 3-20 and somehow we're tied! I'll take it. Penn obviously needs this more, having lost the first one, but I'm glad we're still battling after that Joe Scott-esque start.

Hope Morales is alright...he's already wearing a shoulder brace and he hit it on the way down from a great layup.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 04:02 PM - Post#272238    
    In response to gokinsmen

Extremely slow start but at least the Tigers counter punched when down by 10 points similar to last game. Let's see if they can another shot or two in the second half.

Typical rival game -- wrestling match/slug fest. Some people were expecting something different. Why?

 
1LotteryPick1969 
PhD Student
Posts: 1639
1LotteryPick1969
Age: 68
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Reg: 11-21-04
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 04:37 PM - Post#272280    
    In response to bradley

Can someone explain to the Penn announcer what "probative" means?

 
1LotteryPick1969 
PhD Student
Posts: 1639
1LotteryPick1969
Age: 68
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Reg: 11-21-04
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 04:50 PM - Post#272307    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Wow. We win. Who would have thunk it?

 
gokinsmen 
Postdoc
Posts: 2676

Reg: 02-06-10
Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 04:50 PM - Post#272308    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Great win! Really proud of the guys' effort. Just like the first game, it was a gritty, ugly defensive affair where both teams were gassed. In the end, AririGODzoh and Cannady's 90% FT shooting made the difference.

How good is this team gonna be when Jaelin starts shooting 40%? To his credit, just 1 TO against the aggressive Penn defense. Anyone who saw our early non-conf knows how awful our ballhandling was before him.

 
Vonsid 
Freshman
Posts: 76

Age: 51
Reg: 03-12-16
01-12-19 04:51 PM - Post#272309    
    In response to gokinsmen

We are grinders. Loving it.

 
Tiger81 
Sophomore
Posts: 125
Tiger81
Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
01-12-19 04:57 PM - Post#272310    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Yeah, that guy was awful, makes me appreciate how good Noah Savage is!

Always good to win at the Palestra, great game defensively by the Tigers. They rarely let Penn have open looks and rebounded aggressively. Offense was ugly, very few shots in rhythm and mostly isolations with few assists. Aririguzoh and Stephens were warriors. After the last game it seemed like it would be difficult to win with Cannady and Llewellyn not shooting well. But that happened again and Much and Desrosiers did not pick up the slack. But FTs made the difference again.

 
gokinsmen 
Postdoc
Posts: 2676

Reg: 02-06-10
Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 05:04 PM - Post#272313    
    In response to Tiger81

Myles looked like the Stephens of old down the stretch -- our tough shot maker. His defense and rebounding has remained top-notch, but hopefully he gets his offense going now too.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 05:37 PM - Post#272322    
    In response to gokinsmen

Mitch has always contended that the IL regular season is primarily decided by seniors. Fortunately, the Tigers have Cannady and Stephens plus they have a junior C who has played better than Penn's best player over the past two games plus he is improving over time. It will be interesting to see him square off against Lewis and Bruner = brutal upcoming challenges.

As to the Quakerites guaranteeing victory in a rivalry game -- Simply Brilliant.

Finally, normalcy has returned to Mother Earth with the sweep of the Mighty Quakerites.

 
Tiger69 
Postdoc
Posts: 2366

Reg: 11-23-04
01-12-19 05:42 PM - Post#272323    
    In response to gokinsmen

Certainly didn’t expect this outcome. Has Penn collapsed or did we bring them down? Although JL is in an offensive funk he still doesn’t throw the ball away. DC will come around with his threes. I’m guessing when one does they both will. Until then MS,RA and JD/SM along with a burst of Morales energy will get us through. Make the best of a long rest!

 
Eric Von Zipper 
Sophomore
Posts: 159

Age: 66
Reg: 11-11-17
01-12-19 05:52 PM - Post#272325    
    In response to Tiger69

Princeton has won 17 of its last 20 games against Pennsylvania.

 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3815

Reg: 02-04-06
01-12-19 06:09 PM - Post#272327    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

Great win, running against the usual formula. Who would have expected that kind of rebounding advantage, including on the offensive end? It was like a Sydney Johnson game.

Penn missed some shots they could have made (goes double for the Tigers), but there was excellent defense played against the Quakers' limited scoring options. I've now watched Wang a few times, and he's seemed pretty easy to guard and a bit of a defensive liability. Aririguzoh was tremendous guarding Brodeur and then taking it to him on the offensive end. Stephens was a man. And DC3 overcame his poor shooting with a good overall game and the return of his deadly FT accuracy.

Once again, Morales was clearly better than Llewelyn on both ends. Llewelyn again got himself into situations where he had nowhere to go and forced shots up into prepared shot blockers. But the guy is a really, really good dribbler and he did make a couple of good defensive plays. Very glad that Morales was able to tough out that painful shoulder re-injury and come back into the game.

The word that comes to mind in these last two games is "toughness." Not letting blown layups and missed open treys affect the defensive intensity, staying in front of guys, winning the rebounds and loose balls, and not getting pushed off one's spot very easily.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-12-19 06:11 PM - Post#272329    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

I do not even want to know the answer if the Penn color guy has an IL education -- let's hope not.

 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3815

Reg: 02-04-06
01-12-19 06:14 PM - Post#272331    
    In response to bradley

Funny--I liked Curran a lot more this time than usual. He seemed more balanced in his commentary--I think he really has a lot of respect for Stephens and Aririguzoh. (And I happen to agree with him that officials are far too indulgent in general toward offensive players creating contact. Don't even get me started on dribblers warding off with their off hand.)

But, yeah, the "probative" solecism was cringe-worthy.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
PhD Student
Posts: 1639
1LotteryPick1969
Age: 68
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Reg: 11-21-04
01-12-19 06:21 PM - Post#272333    
    In response to SRP

I'm just a science guy, but isn't is more of a catachresis than a solecism?

 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3815

Reg: 02-04-06
01-12-19 06:26 PM - Post#272334    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

My bad. It was a malapropism.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-12-19 06:28 PM - Post#272335    
    In response to SRP

I love Morales energy and determination but he has defensive liabilities based on his size and fundamentals. He can make some great passes to Arirguzoh when driving the ball but he also can turn the ball over. Big variability factor as to his play but he is a good option coming off the bench. Llewellyn is struggling but he just simply plays stronger defense.

If Cannady, DesRosiers and others hit 3 pt shots, it will take some pressure off Jaelin. Jerome and Devin had some open 3 pt looks today especially Jerome. Jerome's 3 pt shooting is crucial as he will get good looks and he has a fundamentally sound shooting technique. Schwiegger is on the bench which is understandable until he improves on several parts of his game. Much was ok.

 
jeromelh 
Freshman
Posts: 59

Age: 77
Reg: 03-30-17
01-12-19 06:48 PM - Post#272338    
    In response to bradley

Morales is a defensive liability. He turns it over. Wwith Lewellyn in the game, turnovers virtually disappear and that was a major problem for the tigers until Lewellyn made his appearance. He looks like he has a confidence problem with his shot, but that will come.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-12-19 06:49 PM - Post#272340    
    In response to Tiger69

Brodeur is a very good player who gets the most out of his God given abilities other than foul shooting -- he is also a bit of a "crier". Goodman is a very good defender and Woods/Silpe play tough tough defense.

The Quakers offense is no great shakes and it was the primary reason that I put a wager down on Toledo. Donahue has a great system but the offensive talent of this Penn team is ok not great. Their defense is good. They obviously need to regroup.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-12-19 07:22 PM - Post#272341    
    In response to Tiger81

[quote) Aririguzoh and Stephens were warriors.


I remember the Quakerite suggesting that the Tigers might be better off without Stephens playing after the ASU game. I am glad that Mitch did not act on the "suggestion box".

Cannady 12 rebounds = crazy.


 
penn nation 
Professor
Posts: 12884

Reg: 12-02-04
01-12-19 08:37 PM - Post#272351    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Certainly didn’t expect this outcome. Has Penn collapsed or did we bring them down?



Clearly, you did not see the Monmouth game.


 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3815

Reg: 02-04-06
01-12-19 09:08 PM - Post#272361    
    In response to penn nation

I don't see how anyone can say that Llewelyn plays defense better than Morales, unless you're looking at size mismatches after a switch. Morales is far superior at applying ball pressure and getting steals, drawing charges, and every other aspect of perimeter defense.

 
Chip Bayers 
Professor
Posts: 5518
Chip Bayers
Loc: New York
Reg: 11-21-04
01-12-19 09:32 PM - Post#272372    
    In response to bradley

  • bradley Said:
[quote) Aririguzoh and Stephens were warriors.


I remember the Quakerite suggesting that the Tigers might be better off without Stephens playing after the ASU game. I am glad that Mitch did not act on the "suggestion box".





Over the first 11 games of the season, this board was rife with complaints about a)the Stephens offensive struggles and b) the apparent step backward of the sophomores. So Stephens sits out ASU with injury, Much and Desrossiers explode, and I have some fun noting the irony.

Turns out what I really noted was the thin skin and utter lack of anything resembling a sense of humor in first one and now a second participant here.

It will be interesting to see if the low post aggressiveness we saw while being guarded by the 6’1” Woods most of the time in these two games continues into the rest of Ivy play. He’s definitely a much better player on offense when he attacks in the paint as much he did today and last Saturday, although he still needs to raise that 2-point % in the process. He remained sub-50% on 2s in the two games (9-22), and on the year is still well behind the consistent 56% he put up on those kinds of shots over his first three seasons.



 
jeromelh 
Freshman
Posts: 59

Age: 77
Reg: 03-30-17
01-12-19 09:33 PM - Post#272373    
    In response to SRP

Hi

I can. He is a defensive liability because he is so short. Teams take advantage of that. While Lewellyn's shooting has been terrible, his ability to run the offense is excellent which is why MH has him in as a starter.

Don't get me wrong, I like Morales. I like his energy. However, he turns the ball over more than Lewellyn, who hardly every turns it over. Lewellyn leads the team with 4.3 assists per game. Prior to Lewellyn's appearance, Princeton was a turnover machine. Did we have a turnover today?? I can't remember one today while Lewellyn was in.

 
westcoast 
Junior
Posts: 218

Reg: 03-08-16
01-12-19 09:45 PM - Post#272384    
    In response to SRP

Wow, I completely disagree. When Morales is in the game, the opposing team immediately targets him, forcing someone to double or help, and eventually leading to an open three pointer. Look how bad the Tigers' team defense was against FDU and St. Joe's.

Now the Tigers are playing great team defense, and it starts because all five starters (Aririguzoh, DesRosiers, Stephens, Cannady, Llewellyn) can guard their opponent one-on-one, without the constant need for help or double-teams. Llewellyn had two of the biggest defensive plays in the game, stopping a fast break without fouling and then drawing a charge on Woods, and has done a great job on Devon Goodman in both games.

Morales is super quick and does get lots of steals, but he also gambles and gets beat a lot, and his lack of size means that opposing teams post him up. Morales is great for 10-15 minutes a game as a change-of-pace guard, but I don't think he should be playing much more than that.

 
JadwinGeorge 
Senior
Posts: 327

Age: 71
Reg: 12-04-15
01-12-19 09:59 PM - Post#272390    
    In response to westcoast

In the post game presser some guy asked Mitch about Jaelin's "slump"...He answered with some coachspeak...Devin jumped in saying, "He played 31 minutes with 1 turnover..." Nuff said!

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-12-19 10:04 PM - Post#272394    
    In response to westcoast

On pre-game radio show today, Coach H mentioned that 3 players who played tremendous one on one defense at Jadwin -- Myles, Jaelin and Richmond. Although Devin and Jerome are not great one on one defenders, there are five guys on the court that have shut off drives to the basket. Jaelin held first round ASU player to 8 points and Mitch talked about his defensive abilities on his radio show. I am sure that he is tryingg to give Jaelin some recognition and confidence.

It is very fair to question his offensive contribution as teams will not doubling him until he hits some shots.

 
gokinsmen 
Postdoc
Posts: 2676

Reg: 02-06-10
Pennsylvania Redux
01-13-19 12:01 AM - Post#272409    
    In response to bradley

Coaches aren't going to advertise it or make excuses, but I think both Jaelin and Michael Wang are playing through pain.

Jaelin was having a great game against Lafayette, took a hard fall that had him writhing on the ground and limping to the locker room. Then he missed all 4 shots he took when he (miraculously) came back in. His shot hasn't been the same since. It says a lot that he's still a net positive overall just with his ballhandling and defense.

Also, the entire team has been playing the most intense defense I've ever seen from a MH squad. That takes a toll on one's offense, and sure enough everyone outside of Aririguzoh has had some ugly games from the field. The important thing is that they're winning against good teams and now they have a nice long 3 week break to rest up!



 
SomeGuy 
Postdoc
Posts: 4896

Reg: 11-22-04
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-13-19 12:44 AM - Post#272412    
    In response to gokinsmen

That’s actually my theory on Penn’s rebounding, too. I think we did a very good job of defending basically everyone but Aririgozuh in both games, but I think the defensive effort was leaving us out of position to box out and rebound.

While both games were ugly, that’s what good defensive games often look like.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-13-19 08:53 AM - Post#272430    
    In response to gokinsmen

I thought that the two IL games on Saturday and the prior game at Jadwin speaks loudly as to what makes the IL regular season games so special. The defensive intensity at Jadwin and the Palestra made it very difficult for players to get off good shots. Goodman on Cannady and Arirguzoh on Brodeur were clinics as to what good defense can accomplish.

After last season, Mitch and the seniors stated that defense was going to be the #1 priority this year. It took a while to get there but Mitch has recruited players in recent years who are more athletic and can move this feet quickly.

After the grueling hard fought regular season, the end result is seed 1-4 at Yale's homecourt. Nothing will change IvyMadness as it is here to stay. It would be nice if at least the hope of two teams going to the Big Dance is realized.

 
TigerFan 
PhD Student
Posts: 1248

Reg: 11-21-04
01-13-19 01:06 PM - Post#272457    
    In response to bradley

Another gritty win for the Tigers. The intensity on defense and the effort on the offensive glass is extraordinary. Tigers missed a ton of shots that could have gone in (an issue for both teams), but this has really turned into a “defense first” team. I’m seeing more and more similarities to the 2011 team. Nice to be 2-0 going into the break and have the other teams still have to play their travel partners (and how about that Dartmouth rout of Harvard last night?!)

 
jeromelh 
Freshman
Posts: 59

Age: 77
Reg: 03-30-17
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-13-19 02:33 PM - Post#272465    
    In response to gokinsmen

I hadn't thought of that and it makes some sense.
Hopefully what ever is bothering Lewellyn with resolve.

 
PennFan10 
Postdoc
Posts: 2296

Reg: 02-15-15
01-13-19 03:09 PM - Post#272470    
    In response to SRP

Another nice performance from Aririguzah. He is playing at a first team all conference level through 2 IL games, and against a first teaser. To me, Princeton and Yale are the two best teams in the league as those are the only two who are playing with 3 first team IL caliber players right now. Doesn’t mean it will last but through 2 games and after the road win at ASU, Princeton has to be one of the favorites.

 
Petrie 
Freshman
Posts: 37

Age: 65
Reg: 11-14-16
01-13-19 04:02 PM - Post#272473    
    In response to PennFan10

I agree with those suggesting Llewellyn is playing through pain. Hopefully the lay off for exams will get him back on track.

Still, one name will remind all old timers how valuable a dependable ball handler can be, George Leftwich. If all Llewellyn go do this season is to defeat ball pressure, play good d, and distribute I will gladly take it, and highly value it.

 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3815

Reg: 02-04-06
01-13-19 04:05 PM - Post#272474    
    In response to jeromelh

The problem with Llewelyn so far isn't just poor shooting on decent looks. He's dribbling into corners he can't get out of and throwing up shots into a sea of hands, creating bad possessions. And his turnover rate is no better than Morales's--19 in 248 minutes is about the same as 22 in 299 minutes.

I get it that the coaches and players want to encourage the highly recruited freshman with vast potential, but if Morales weren't writhing in pain periodically the team would clearly be better off with him playing more. He is not picked on defensively--that's absurd--unless you're talking about the same sort of thing Stephens was doing to Woods, Penn's best perimeter defender.

 
SomeGuy 
Postdoc
Posts: 4896

Reg: 11-22-04
Pennsylvania Redux
01-13-19 04:24 PM - Post#272475    
    In response to SRP

Was Stephens picking on anyone yesterday? I thought Penn did surprisingly well guarding him, particularly given how much Silpe was on him. He shot 5 of 13, which makes for an inefficient 13 points in 38 minutes. I’d take that every time.

Aririgozuh is the only person who was scoring efficiently for either team in that game, really.

I haven’t seen Morales enough to really weigh in on the Defense issue. But I will give one small sample size observation— he went for a steal against Goodman (almost had it) but as a result got beaten about as badly as you will see a division one player get beat. Much like Cannady’s baskets were only when Wang ended up guarding him on a switch, Goodman’s only baskets came when Morales ended up trying to guard him. Might just have been a small sample size, but Morales looked like a high risk high reward defender who gambles for steals and doesn’t defend with his feet.

Edited by SomeGuy on 01-13-19 04:34 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-13-19 05:50 PM - Post#272481    
    In response to gokinsmen

On the weekly radio show, Mitch stated that he and his entire coaching staff will be heavily recruiting over the next several weeks as the schedule is wide open. Only one game in January against a Division III opponent is conducive to recruiting.

All the coaching staff needs to find is a Richmond Arirguzoh look a like, a crazy good 3 pt shooter like Cannady and a multi-purpose player like Stephens. Fortunately, the Tigers are in reasonably good shape next year although it will be a huge adjustment not to have Cannady and Stephens. Arirguzoh may get a lot of touches in 2019-20.

 
Coloradotiger 
Freshman
Posts: 28

Age: 51
Reg: 11-21-13
Re: Pennsylvania Redux
01-13-19 06:19 PM - Post#272485    
    In response to bradley

They may have already found the 3 point shooter (Cf. the thread on Ryan Langborg).

 
rbg 
PhD Student
Posts: 1695

Reg: 10-20-14
01-14-19 09:53 AM - Post#272523    
    In response to Coloradotiger

https://www.trentonian.com/sports/princeton-men- s-...

- Princeton (9-5, 2-0) got a fourth straight victory despite a 2-for-19 start from the field and a nine-point deficit just past the midway point of the first half. The Tigers made up for their tough shooting by out-rebounding the Quakers, 55-34, and grabbing 16 offensive boards. They also played steady defense themselves, holding the hosts to 32.8 percent from the floor.

“We had to come up with those boards,” said Aririguzoh, who finished with nine rebounds to go with his 17 points. “For me personally, I know we could’ve done that better last game. I have to work these guys a little bit better, play a little bit harder, especially when shots aren’t falling in the first half.”

Aririguzoh showed once again why he’s become one of the Tigers’ most indispensable players. The 6-9 junior center out of Trenton Catholic Academy converted one of the game’s biggest buckets when coach Mitch Henderson drew up a play for him to attack Penn big man AJ Brodeur out of a timeout.

Aririguzoh converted to give Princeton a 56-50 advantage with 1:22 remaining.

“With six and a half minutes left, the game was in the balance and we had a little bit of a lead, but it wasn’t comfortable at all and he had his fourth foul,” Henderson said. “We didn’t have him in the game and he was sort of inching his way toward the scorers’ table and I wouldn’t put him in. Then we put him in and he immediately gets that call and it’s like pop, pop, pop … wham. I thought that was a huge part of the game.” -

- Myles Stephens scored 10 of his 13 points in the second half, all of which came during a six-minute stretch when he netted 10 straight Tiger points. His layup with 4:28 remaining capped an 8-0 spurt gave Princeton a seven-point lead.

“He understands the success that he’s had in the past in the Ivy League and guys are going to have a hard time guarding him, but his focus and willingness to do things he didn’t in the past for the team has made leaps and bounds for our program,” Cannady said. “He had a double-double and is playing fantastic. He was at the free throw line, and I was like, ‘Myles, just like freshmen year when we played in overtime against them.’” -

- Henderson's not worried about freshman point guard Jaelin Llewellyn despite his recent shooting slump. Llewellyn was 1-for-9 from the field and is now 12-for-66 (18.1 percent) in his last five games. "All that matters is your team is winning and you (took) that charge," Henderson said. "He went up in the air and contested the ball really nicely, he made a couple free throws. He’ll keep working at it." -

http://www.dailyprincetonian.com/article/2019/01/m...

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-14-19 03:21 PM - Post#272567    
    In response to rbg

Thanks for sharing.

Will the Tigers continue to gain traction in IL play as the season progresses or lose steam? The upside might be a function of continuing to play strong defense with the recent improvement in rebounding combined with significantly improved shooting. I cannot remember when the Tigers were at the bottom of the IL as to FG% (40%) and 3 pt% (32%). It reminds me last year when the Harvard Board properly predicted that the Crismon's non-conference shooting woes would not continue based on prior performance of the players. The same could be argued regarding the Tigers as the group shot 45% and 37% last year -- only significant departure Amir Bell.

The downside is obviously that the other teams shooting better against the Tigers as they are currently shooting 43% and 33%. Additionally, the Tigers may tail off a bit based on current FT % of 75%.

time will tell.

 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3815

Reg: 02-04-06
01-14-19 10:39 PM - Post#272628    
    In response to bradley

I think this team is going to continue to improve. Their team-wide commitment after the Duke experience to playing harder and more physically (on D, when pressured, and in going after rebounds) will become more of a habit. Llewelyn will get better at running the offense and hit some shots. Much and Desrosiers will find their spots to attack. Aririguzoh, already playing very well, will get a bit more deference from the officials. DC3 will get back to hitting his shots. Stephens's confidence and timing on offense will grow.

Maybe the Tigers can learn to be tough and efficient at the same time and turn some of these rock fights into comfortable victories. Won't be easy, especially on the road.



 
1LotteryPick1969 
PhD Student
Posts: 1639
1LotteryPick1969
Age: 68
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Reg: 11-21-04
01-15-19 07:51 AM - Post#272638    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
Maybe the Tigers can learn to be tough and efficient at the same time and turn some of these rock fights into comfortable victories. Won't be easy, especially on the road.




It will be a grind, no doubt. Recall we were 3-1 in the Ivies until the overtime shootout loss against Brown, followed by.....

The big difference this year is Richmond Ariri. Suddenly the team is playing great defense and matchups are improved across the lineup. No one is guarding out of position.

But another big man would help, especially during back-to-back games. Does anyone have any information about Gladson? It's almost to the point that one wonders if he would withdraw from school to save a semester of eligibility.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-15-19 10:21 AM - Post#272643    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

It was dissapointing to see Gladson back in street clothes for the Palestra game after being in Tiger uniform at Jadwin. It would be helpful for him to be available as a second big to spell Arirguzoh as Much simply does not have the frame to fight off Lewis, Atkinson etc. Fortunatley, Richmond has done a good job of not fouling out by keeping his defensive position and not falling for fakes. In a perfect world, Llewellyn starts making 3 pointers -- if so, that really changes some dynamics.

For me, the key to the season comes down to no significant injuries to Arirguzoh, Stephens and Devin which is always a wild card. If the team remains relatively healthy, the biggest key is the 3 pt shooting of DesRosiers, Stephens and Much with DesRosiers being the biggest upside as he clearly has the best shooting stroke, 42% last year vs. 34% this year. Stephens is off 16% from last year (41%) and Much is off 8% from last year (3&%). Much has a slightly better stroke than Stephens but all three have under performed this year. They will get 3 pt looks with Llewellyn and even Cannady going to the hoop and dishing out, especially DesRosiers.

At the end of the day, defensive effort and execution is the key which the last three games has demonstrated. Match ups are a different subject and the Tigers have some match up issues with Yale.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-16-19 11:37 AM - Post#272752    
    In response to bradley

Henderson was out recruiting so Coach MacConnell sat in for him last night on the radio show with Myles and Bramlage as guests. No major revelations although MacConnell is somewhat more forthcoming than Henderson but still plenty of coach speak.

He shared that the coaches were more concerned about the defense vs. the offense when Tigers were down 10 at the Palestra. They figured that the Tigers would ultimately hit some shots but defense and rebounding was not good during the first 10 minutes or so. He also noted that Stephens and DesRosiers guarded Brodeur for several more minutes than at Jadwin and they did a good job plus the Tigers doubled Brodeur more than the first game.

MacConnell commented that a big part of early season funk was due to defensive rebounding and he claims that the Tigers have historically been a top 25 defensive rebounding team (statisically) for several of the past 7 years (not sure if that is true).

The sense that you got is that they are relieved not to be 0-2 and going on the road for four straight games including facing facing Yale and Brown in weekend #2.

Finally, Bramlage played Brodeur on the scout team although he could get away with all type of fouling manuevers.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
PhD Student
Posts: 1639
1LotteryPick1969
Age: 68
Loc: Baltimore, Maryland
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-19 01:41 PM - Post#272762    
    In response to bradley

No news on Gladson???

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-16-19 03:50 PM - Post#272772    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

No comments regarding Gladson. Previously, Mitch has not talked about injuries or specific recruiting activity. Myles made absolutely no mention as to the status of his injury other than simply stating that he wished to have played at ASU. You get the sense that Jones is not even allowed to ask certain questions like injury status.

Out of curiosity, I was able to watch some game action from Brown and Yale. Both teams are very good but Yale has an incredible amount of flexibility regarding match ups. They can play 3 bigs at the same time -- 6/7"(Reynolds), 6'9"(Bruner) and 6'10" (Atkinson) that have offensive skills that are complimentary or they can go small with Copeland, Phils and Swain. They have seven core players plus 2 other players that can compete. Offensively very good but probably not as good defensively -- shoot 50% as a team. They are going to be trouble for the Tigers and others but hopefully, I am wrong. Brown has a great player and a lot of good players but not the size or depth of Yale but then again, Cambridge almost beat the Tigers single handily in the OT game.

Fortunately for Brown, the first game of their head to head with Yale is at home.

 
JadwinGeorge 
Senior
Posts: 327

Age: 71
Reg: 12-04-15
01-16-19 06:00 PM - Post#272776    
    In response to bradley

Yale must be rated Ivy favorites right now, although Aiken and Towns are both expected back by Feb. Tigers play a lot at home in latter part of schedule, 6 of last 8. Assuming Yale is #1 seed Tigers would do very well to avoid the 4th spot. Penn also has 6 of 8 at home to finish the regular season. 9-5 might be enough to get the 1 seed.

 
Bryan 
Sophomore
Posts: 132

Loc: Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
01-16-19 06:24 PM - Post#272778    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

In the 62 Ivy seasons starting with 1955-56 the number of regular season Ivy wins by the Ivy Champ (or Co-Champ(s)) have been:

14-14 times
13-17 times
12-14 times
11-13 times
10- 4 times

The 4 times 10 wins was the most were in consecutive seasons, 83-84 through 86-87. I'll be surprised if 9 wins is enough to get the #1 seed.

Bryan

 
SomeGuy 
Postdoc
Posts: 4896

Reg: 11-22-04
01-16-19 07:33 PM - Post#272779    
    In response to Bryan

Agreed on 9-5, but I think 11 will do it this year.

I suspect that the league winners have substantially outperformed what any Kenpom type analytics would predict over the years. Some of that may be lack of a conference tournament. The anti tourney folks might attribute that to the regular season mattering more for the top teams. The pro tourney folks might point out that it could be because the late season games historically mattered less for the teams who were out of it. Of course, it might not be lack of tournament at all, as I think the numbers would have had both penn and Harvard under 12 league wins last year.

 
PennFan10 
Postdoc
Posts: 2296

Reg: 02-15-15
01-16-19 08:07 PM - Post#272782    
    In response to JadwinGeorge

  • JadwinGeorge Said:
Yale must be rated Ivy favorites right now, although Aiken and Towns are both expected back by Feb. Tigers play a lot at home in latter part of schedule, 6 of last 8. Assuming Yale is #1 seed Tigers would do very well to avoid the 4th spot. Penn also has 6 of 8 at home to finish the regular season. 9-5 might be enough to get the 1 seed.



Princeton is the league favorite right now as they are the only team sitting at 2-0. That's a huge lead on the field. Yale may well be 2-0 in a week or they may be 0-2. I wouldn't crown them until we see what they do against IL competition. Now, I agree they are healthy and playing well so have to be considered a contender but so was Penn just a couple weeks ago.


 
SRP 
Postdoc
Posts: 3815

Reg: 02-04-06
01-16-19 08:14 PM - Post#272783    
    In response to PennFan10

Good point from a statistical perspective, but I think what people mean is that conditional on Yale having the same record as another team they would favor Yale going forward.

I agree that the perceived gap in this latter sense probably isn't big enough to wash out, from a statistical prediction perspective, the two games that Princeton has in the bank. But we'll see how the Yalies do against their dangerous travel partner pretty soon and then we'll have a better read.

 
bradley 
PhD Student
Posts: 1149

Age: 70
Reg: 01-15-16
01-16-19 10:58 PM - Post#272809    
    In response to SRP

There have been a number of surprises so far this year including injuries, the ups and downs of some teams (Penn, Harvard, Princeton, surprises (Brown and Darthmouth) etc. The pre-season projections for teams 1-8 may turn out to be inaccurate. Personally, I do not believe that current Kenpom rankings are how the field will wind up. There is also an obvious and major wild card - the potential return of Aiken and Towns and how they will perform.

With all that said and I am probably wrong, it seems that Yale has the edge unless more suprises are on the way which is distinctly possible. As you commented, we will know a lot more after the upcoming head to head games. I suspect that there are surprisingly 6 teams in the running for a realistic shot for IvyMadness. Question is can some team runaway from the field -- it is also possible.

Time will tell. Should be an excellent and competitive IL regular season.

 
Icon Legend Permissions Topic Options
Report Post

Quote Post

Quick Reply

Print Topic

Email Topic

2020 Views




Copyright © 2004-2012 Basketball U. Terms of Use for our Site and Privacy Policy are applicable to you. All rights reserved.
Basketball U. and its subsidiaries are not affiliated in any way with any NCAA athletic conference or member institution.
FusionBB™ Version 2.1 | ©2003-2007 InteractivePHP, Inc.
Execution time: 0.177 seconds.   Total Queries: 16   Zlib Compression is on.
All times are (GMT -0500) Eastern. Current time is 01:30 PM
Top