Quakers03
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01-12-19 06:37 PM - Post#272337
In response to Mike Porter
You can’t give up NINE more offensive rebounds and win many games. I know some were long rebounds but others were just bad. This one is going to sting for a while.
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penn nation
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Princeton at Penn 01-12-19 08:31 PM - Post#272348
In response to Quakers03
Did not see this one but the box score is just a head scratcher.
Once again, both teams shot poorly (and again Princeton a bit worse than Penn). We cleaned up the TO mess from game 1.
Three common themes from both games--our being atrocious at the FT line, from distance and getting severely outboarded.
Clearly Wang is not back to being 100%--if he were, we probably would have seen a different outcome today and in some previous games. The downfall of this team really began when he went out early vs Toledo.
Edited by penn nation on 01-12-19 08:32 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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UPIA1968
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01-12-19 08:58 PM - Post#272355
In response to Mike Porter
The offense is down because they aren't hitting from three. Part is Wang and his injury, but the bigger part is Devon, Tony and Jake are not scoring from three. Earlier they were, now they are not. Given the length of the drought, it is beginning to look like the earlier results were the out-lyer, not the current results. None of those three were good long-distance shooters before.
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Mike Porter
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01-12-19 09:02 PM - Post#272359
In response to penn nation
Wang seemed to be moving pretty well and Coach Donahue said he was near 100% before the game.
It seems there is something more going on... one factor is that Goodman has struggled all four games as well. ORATs between 58-70 the last four games.
It just seems like the confidence the team had heading into Toledo disappeared and they’re playing more not to lose rather than to win on offense.
In the span of 4 games it’s gone from potentially most memorable season in a long time, to potentially most disappointing in a long time.
KP now has us finishing 7-7 Ivy’s for 5th place and missing the tournament...
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OldBig5
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01-12-19 09:08 PM - Post#272362
In response to Mike Porter
Missed this one. Looking forward to next year!
Just don't have the weapons form three land with Betley out. Get in the tourney though and anything is possible.
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Jeff2sf
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01-12-19 09:37 PM - Post#272377
In response to Mike Porter
mike, i hear you, but it's really weird that wang was on the bench from like the 9 minute mark to the 3 minute mark with us just crying out for offense. if you're healthy, 4 shots can't deter you. he needs to be bombing or at least taking up a decent defender with his gravity.
god, i hate bad offense, that was atrocious.
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SomeGuy
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01-12-19 09:58 PM - Post#272389
In response to Chip Bayers
On that reset at the end Donahue was yelling at Washington to foul, but he apparently didn’t hear.
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SomeGuy
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01-12-19 10:05 PM - Post#272396
In response to Jeff2sf
Agree. We did better getting AJ shots today, and he had a lot rim out, but I came away thinking we needed to feed him even more. Princeton does a good job of getting out on the 3 shooters, and tends to not double AJ. I think you have to keep feeding him. We do it for a while, and then we seem to forget.
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JadwinGeorge
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01-12-19 10:10 PM - Post#272397
In response to SomeGuy
No need to double a guy who shoots 6-17...He's the best Penn player but he can't beat anyone by himself
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penn nation
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Princeton at Penn 01-12-19 10:15 PM - Post#272401
In response to JadwinGeorge
No need to double a guy who shoots 6-17...He's the best Penn player but he can't beat anyone by himself
AJ is normally a nightmare matchup if you don't double him. And there have been games where he does in fact beat the opposition in this manner. He's by far our best percentage play if not doubled--a career 52.9% shooter, and 55.8% from 2 (if only his career FT% weren't so darned close to that figure!).
Edited by penn nation on 01-12-19 10:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Tiger81
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01-13-19 07:38 AM - Post#272421
In response to penn nation
I thought Aririguzoh played outstanding defense against AJ. Several times the ball was thrown into the post and AJ worked 1-on-1 but could not find a shot and ended up passing it back out to the perimeter and when he did score it was on highly contested shots. Last year Princeton did not have an answer down low against the Quakers but the surprising emergence of Aririguzoh has changed how we match up and has allowed the Tigers to better defend Penn’s long-range shooters.
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1LotteryPick1969
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01-13-19 08:59 AM - Post#272431
In response to Tiger81
Someone else posted on this board that Aririguzoh is not great defensively, but I disagree. You are entirely correct that his ability to defend the post without help was the key to the entire Princeton defense. And unlike the last two Princeton bigs, he has an offensive game and makes his foul shots.
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Streamers
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01-13-19 10:14 AM - Post#272437
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Oh please... that was me. No question Aririguzoh is getting it done at the offensive end, including off the boards, but AJ was getting the ball and his shots both this week and last. This week, there was a stronger lid on the hoop. OTOH, Mitch is OK not giving him help which is the key to the defensive scheme that stymied the hurting Quakers. There is every reason to believe RA will get better defensively and I’m not looking forward to that day. Also not looking forward to having to type or pronounce his name for the next couple of years.
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sparman
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01-13-19 10:53 AM - Post#272440
In response to Streamers
Also not looking forward to having to type or pronounce his name for the next couple of years.
Think of it as penance for us having to deal with Onyekwe.
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Streamers
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01-13-19 11:18 AM - Post#272444
In response to sparman
Good one
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UPIA1968
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01-13-19 09:38 PM - Post#272493
In response to SomeGuy
princeton did a good job of forcing AJ farther out than usual in the second half.
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UPIA1968
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01-13-19 09:41 PM - Post#272494
In response to SomeGuy
princeton did a good job of forcing AJ farther out than usual in the second half.
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1LotteryPick1969
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01-14-19 08:18 AM - Post#272512
In response to UPIA1968
Yes they did.
Look, I love "AJ" and I wish he were on our team, but he is more one handed than the drummer for def leppard. He only moves left to set you up to move back to the right.
Last Feb (2018) second game Princeton-Penn, second half, he was 8 for 8. I suspect the majority of those were his 8 foot low arc flip-hooks. Move him two feet out, and he starts to miss.
RA is a very fast learner. First game AJ was 5/6 first half, 2/8 (not looking at 3's) in the second half. This most recent game 3/6 first half, 2/8 second half (and one of those was against Much, who was much overmatched).
RA is not a shot blocker, but he uses his body and feet very well. And the luxury of not having to double down on AJ or front him sets up the entire defense.
Standard disclaimer: just my opinion, which is occasionally correct.
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rbg
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01-14-19 09:47 AM - Post#272519
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/01/penn- princet...
- "I think we settle and give in late in the clock, 10 seconds left," Donahue said. "We put ourselves in some tough spots to make hard shots. That’s settling and we can’t do that. It’s my responsibility to get these guys playing the way they can." -
- "When [the Tigers] needed to execute, they executed," Donahue said. "We did not and that’s what we’ve fallen into during this four-game skid. We’re just not executing and playing like can on the offensive end." -
- "We’re not feeling good about who we are and the way we’re playing," Donahue said. "I think the guys are playing harder, but I told them that we’re not playing any better. We need to figure out a way to play better, and that’s technical, that’s personnel driven, and that’s coaching." -
http://www.philly.com/college-sports/penn/p enn-pri...
- At the other end, Penn was 7-for-13 from the line, giving away points.
“It’s really demoralizing to not go to the line and get those two points,’’ Donahue said later, explaining that it is worked on and talked about.
“Believe me, we do a lot of stuff," Donahue said. “We know what the elephant is in the room.†-
https://www.thedp.com/article/2019/01/penn- princet...
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Quakers03
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01-14-19 04:56 PM - Post#272575
In response to Jeff2sf
god, i hate bad offense, that was atrocious.
This is what has me the most concerned. Sure you can say that the guards haven't been great and we're not making 3's but it's so much bigger than that. Game after game we came away praising the way they moved the ball and then Mike goes out and it all falls apart. I'm willing to chalk the first two/three losses up to Mike being hurt and then Princeton knowing how to defend us, but we had better figure it out quickly. These next two are really big games for confidence moving forward.
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