Chet Forte
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01-13-19 09:26 AM - Post#272434
With all of the complaints about Engles, I wonder if the Harvard bloggers are having second thoughts about Amaker in light of the blowout loss to an unheralded Dartmouth team which really didn’t show all that much in the OOC schedule. I frankly was stunned not so much by the fact that Dartmouth got the upset, but by the way that Amaker seemed clueless in terms of making game time adjustments. I suppose that Harvard fans can support to the absence of Towns and Aiken, but supporters of Engles can support to his loss of Smith and Meisner. And after all, Dartmouth had to readjust to the devastating loss of Boudreaux, who by hindsight should have stayed at Dartmouth instead of riding the bench at Purdue. Right now the only constant in the league seems to be the continued excellence of James Jones. I’m actually starting to miss his brother. In any event, let’s see how Engles does at Ithaca next weekend, where PT should present matchup nightmares for Cornell. He needs to figure out how to slow down Morgan and see if the rest of the Cornell team can beat us. This will be a great test of coaching skill.
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Chet Forte
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01-13-19 09:28 AM - Post#272435
In response to Chet Forte
Pardon the typo, second “support to†should read “point toâ€.
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Columbia 37P6
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01-13-19 10:55 AM - Post#272441
In response to Chet Forte
Give Engles credit for keeping Bibbs on the court until he scored seven points in the second half of the Elmira game. Bibbs proved his athleticism to me on the breakaway dunk. Engles just needs to allow him to run the floor and not just shot threes. Also, did you notice that Ellis scored his first lay-up the season. Maybe Engles deserves credit for getting him to do that as well.
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Chet Forte
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01-13-19 11:04 AM - Post#272442
In response to Columbia 37P6
Not sure if you were being facetious; however, I think both Bibbs and Ellis have high upsides and am surprised that Bibbs especially has not yet shown more on the court.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Re: Amaker/Engles 01-13-19 11:46 AM - Post#272445
In response to Chet Forte
Nope, no second thoughts about Amaker thanks. We'll keep him.
It was just a few weeks ago that the Crimson headed west without Chris Lewis as well to beat St. Mary's (KP #37) and almost beat San Francisco (#45). Numerous Ivy titles and nationally recognized victories in the NCAA's aren't expunged by one bad game. Not here at least. You shouldn't confuse disappointment with discord.
Yes, yesterday was a bad loss, but one I saw coming if Dartmouth hit their 3's, which they did. I'd advise everyone to take Dartmouth seriously, at least up in Hanover.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Amaker/Engles 01-13-19 11:50 AM - Post#272448
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Yes, to me the fact that Dartmouth won wasn’t surprising at all. The way they won was a little more surprising. Shaping up to be a very interesting year in the league. Could see a lot of parity, which I think is a good thing.
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Amaker/Engles 01-13-19 12:00 PM - Post#272449
In response to SomeGuy
Are you surprised about the margin? This was a game of runs with Dartmouth going up in the first half by 15 and then the second half by 21 on the strength of its 3 point shooting. Exposed that when pressed Harvard doesn't really have a leader who can take over and stem a run. Juzang, Kirkwood and Bassey tried but they had to create by themselves. Juzang did a good job with 20 pointes on 8-11 shooting. Unfortunately, Chris Lewis missed a lot of bunnies (7 misses) and the non-Juzang roster shot 2-13 from 3.
The lead ballooned at the end as Harvard gambled for steals and Dartmouth shot 52% on 3's and 68% overall. As I posted before the game, Dartmouth's leading shooters combine to shoot over 50% from 3. 7 Big Green players made a 3 and of those 7 only 1 shot less than 50% from long range (Slajchert 1-3). Dangerous.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 01-13-19 12:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Amaker/Engles 01-13-19 12:06 PM - Post#272450
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Yes, I just meant the margin. Seems like that was on the outside bounds of the range of possible outcomes. In terms of showing what Dartmouth (sometimes) does well and where Harvard’s weaknesses might be, I agree.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-13-19 12:16 PM - Post#272452
In response to SomeGuy
A few days ago I posted that teams need to beware of exceptions shooting games by Morgan, Cambridge and Dartmouth. Lesson confirmed.
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internetter
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01-13-19 03:01 PM - Post#272468
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
No coach can do anything about execution, such as Dartmouth hitting 8 threes in the first half or Columbia's Stef being in the right place to hit a fg to beat Binghamton.
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internetter
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01-13-19 03:09 PM - Post#272469
In response to internetter
Apparently, Adlesh was to try the last shot, whatever that meant.
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AntiUngvar
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01-13-19 07:41 PM - Post#272488
In response to internetter
Tie score; Columbia timeout with 2 seconds remaining to be played; the out of bounds play was designed for Adlesh to take the potentially game winning shot; but Binghamton's defense saw it coming that way, so Stefanini as the 2nd option, caught the inbounds pass at the top of the circle, dribbled into the lane and converted the short runner to end the game.
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bradley
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Re: Amaker/Engles 01-13-19 08:29 PM - Post#272489
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Amaker takes over an average to below average IL program with little notoriety and turns it around as a place where top players want to play along with a 633 winning percentage. To suggest that the Crimson would have second doubts regarding him as their coach is truly ludicrous.
With even a reasonably healthy Aiken and Towns, the Crimson would be in the mix and they may still be in the mix although the team currently has issues.
I am always curious how certain fans just north and south of Nassau Hall seem to revel in the struggles of other teams. Why I am not sure but misery enjoys company - I guess.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: Amaker/Engles 01-13-19 09:25 PM - Post#272492
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Amaker takes over an average to below average IL program with little notoriety and turns it around as a place where top players want to play along with a 633 winning percentage. To suggest that the Crimson would have second doubts regarding him as their coach is truly ludicrous.
TAKE THAT, FULVIO CHET FORTE!
You could have made it simpler Chet, and posed your query for the ages on the Harvard page, where it really belongs; but that would have been too much work for you to do. So now we're witnessing a veritable Ivy League rainbow cast of characters unleashing hay makers and throwing bombs right onto my front porch. And Bradley's actually a gentleman- wait till you see the 25 bombs that come out of Matt Morgan's right sleeve next Saturday evening!
That nutcase may have really had a point the other day, suggesting we abandon the season this very moment. Heaven help us, Chet- with friends like you, poor old Columbia surely doesn't need SomeGuy.
Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-13-19 09:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Amaker/Engles 01-13-19 11:27 PM - Post#272504
In response to AntiUngvar
Thanks for calling it out AU. In the last two weeks I've learned that Aiken and Towns shouldn't return (South of Nassau) and that Harvard should be looking to replace Amaker (North of Nassau).
Where would Harvard fans be without such wisdom and guidance!
Best of luck vs Cornell.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 01-13-19 11:27 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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AntiUngvar
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01-14-19 12:17 AM - Post#272507
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Thanks. As I see it, Chet and that would be G.M. from Philly are both really good people!
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-14-19 12:22 AM - Post#272508
In response to AntiUngvar
If you say so.
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AntiUngvar
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01-14-19 12:30 AM - Post#272509
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
They're consistent, generally thoughtful contributors, much like yourself and Bradley, and without whom this site would appear less viable than a shutdown federal government.
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