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Username Post: Canady        (Topic#22487)
penn nation 
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01-23-19 06:44 PM - Post#273415    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
I think that what is questionable is that it is so completely out of character that we are not getting the full story. And only one person tied it to race, and was quickly corrected. A lot of facts still need to come out here before one can come to any conclusions.



We don't know what we don't know, but race cannot help but be involved at the structural level here at minimum.


 
Cvonvorys 
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01-23-19 06:51 PM - Post#273416    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
We don't know what we don't know, but race cannot help but be involved at the structural level here at minimum.




Penn Nation... Might I suggest you opine on something you know a little something about? And might I suggest I know more about my town than you do?

Like I said... To a hammer, everything is a nail.


 
penn nation 
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01-23-19 06:58 PM - Post#273417    
    In response to Cvonvorys

I have taught about inequality in its various forms as a college professor for most of the 21st century.

So it's a subject I have a bit of experience with.

 
Cvonvorys 
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01-23-19 08:23 PM - Post#273420    
    In response to penn nation

And specifically... What do you know about "inequality" here in Princeton New Jersey?

Otherwise, your lectures are only what... Academic? You'd be wise to keep your hammer in your tool box...

 
AntiUngvar 
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01-24-19 11:08 AM - Post#273454    
    In response to Cvonvorys

Mr. Nation may not know Princeton; but he probably knows something more than most about the nation of white people.


 
TigerFan 
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01-24-19 03:02 PM - Post#273468    
    In response to AntiUngvar

I’ve been “lurking” quietly on this thread but now feel compelled to weigh in. I grew up in Princeton, attended its public schools from K through 12 before attending Princeton U. I have not lived there since the mid 80s but live nearby now.

Like most towns in America, Princeton has had a checkered history with race, but the town is very self-aware. It’s also gradually diversified over the years from 90 percent white to somewhere in the low 60s percent white.

Long before there was Pete’s “Princeton System,” there was the “Princeton Plan,” a strategy to integrate the town’s schools that was implemented in the 1940s to national notoriety. I’m sure Penn Nation is familiar with that history—opinions are all over the place as to whether it was a success or failure but it was an effort that belied Princeton’s reputation in those days as the “southern most northern town.” It’s a punch line to say that “many of my friends are black” but ... well Princeton’s busing plan put me in that category growing up. I can honestly say that I have absolutely no memory of hearing the N-word until my freshman year in college. (Alas I heard it plenty at PU). I’m a little ashamed to admit I have never had as many African American friends since graduating from the Princeton public schools.

I don’t mean to suggest that the town is perfect. No town is and Princeton has plenty of warts. (The town basically pretended that one of its greatest native sons—Paul Robeson, who was born in Princeton—didn’t exist until relatively recently, although that may have had as much to do with his avowed socialism as his race). There have been stupid kids saying stupid things on school buses etc. in recent years and I’m sure anyone who wanted to dig could find plenty to be outraged about.

I am saying that to automatically jump to race and to point fingers at what one author described as a “white town” does everyone a disservice, including a young man who, but for a few alleged unfortunte moments, seemed to lead an exemplary life.

 
penn nation 
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01-24-19 03:33 PM - Post#273471    
    In response to TigerFan

I'll chime in one last time, briefly.

My post was not intended to be about Princeton per se, simply about the much larger and deeper institutional fabric of our society.

My intent was also not to cast blame on either the officer or Cannady for what allegedly happened.

That's all.

 
Tiger69 
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01-24-19 07:44 PM - Post#273480    
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If ever one could honestly say, “He took the words right out of my mouth”, I feel that way about most of what TigerFan said above. I also grew up in Princeton, starting in the Nassau Street School, kindergarten through Third Grade, then transferring to a local private school through Eighth until being shipped off to a prep school which probably got me into Princeton just prior to coeducation. I can honestly say that I have nothing but pleasant memories of my innocent few years of public school. My best friends then were both black and white (although I’m pretty sure I didn’t think in those terms then). Today, if one were to ask me to name as many of my Third Grade classmates as possible, I would recall more black than white. Ironically, I would meet one of my young black friends again as another member of my class at Princeton. He, however, did not have my private school preparation. When I arrived in private school in Fourth Grade a few short blocks from Nassau St. School, I heard for the first time the derogatory names that white children of those days used for young black children. I recall being uncomfortable because I knew that they were talking about my closest friends of only a few months before. Princeton had, I am told, a wonderful public school system back in the mid 1950s. But, the Town was largely segregated as I remember where all my young black friends lived. As I have grown older I have sometimes wished that I had had the more “normal” (for that time) experience of getting a public education. I believe that I would have been a much more mature, and better adjusted, teen. I also believe that I would now have more close friends who are black. But, sadly, my spot in the Class of 1969 would probably have been filled by another marginal prep school student.

 
AntiUngvar 
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01-24-19 08:28 PM - Post#273486    
    In response to Tiger69

Tiger:
I'll admit that I've been white for practically as long as you; and it's sad for me to report that we don't make too many like you- not in Princeton, or anywhere else; it's just how it is.


 
Quakers03 
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01-26-19 09:14 AM - Post#273601    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Lots to unpack in this one but I can’t get over the shots fired at pot. It’s 2019. How can people still have these antiquated opinions?

I hope for Cannady’s sake that there are answers.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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01-26-19 04:15 PM - Post#273619    
    In response to Quakers03

  • Quakers03 Said:
I can’t get over the shots fired at pot. It’s 2019. How can people still have these antiquated opinions?




Society will do what it wants on this issue; I don't care personally at this point in my life, but....here's what NIH NIDA says:

"Marijuana use can lead to the development of problem use, known as a marijuana use disorder, which takes the form of addiction in severe cases. Recent data suggest that 30 percent of those who use marijuana may have some degree of marijuana use disorder. People who begin using marijuana before the age of 18 are four to seven times more likely to develop a marijuana use disorder than adults.

Marijuana use disorders are often associated with dependence—in which a person feels withdrawal symptoms when not taking the drug. People who use marijuana frequently often report irritability, mood and sleep difficulties, decreased appetite, cravings, restlessness, and/or various forms of physical discomfort that peak within the first week after quitting and last up to 2 weeks. Marijuana dependence occurs when the brain adapts to large amounts of the drug by reducing production of and sensitivity to its own endocannabinoid neurotransmitters.

Marijuana use disorder becomes addiction when the person cannot stop using the drug even though it interferes with many aspects of his or her life. Estimates of the number of people addicted to marijuana are controversial, in part because epidemiological studies of substance use often use dependence as a proxy for addiction even though it is possible to be dependent without being addicted. Those studies suggest that 9 percent of people who use marijuana will become dependent on it, rising to about 17 percent in those who start using in their teens."

 
palestra38 
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01-26-19 04:29 PM - Post#273620    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Of course, overdoing alcohol kills, so psychological dependence to marijuana is pretty tame in comparison with another legal drug. I think 100 years of prohibition has not been good policy when people will find it and use it anyway.

The real issue here, however, was the fact that marijuana almost never causes aggression. So the information released raises questions.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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01-26-19 05:02 PM - Post#273622    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
almost never



Well, hardly ever


 
1LotteryPick1969 
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01-26-19 05:07 PM - Post#273625    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

For the old farts on this site:

Journal of Cardiovascular Pharmacology and Therapeutics:

"Acute coronary syndrome triggered by marijuana exposure may include angina pectoris, myocardial infarction, and sudden cardiac death. In a 2001 publication by Mittleman et al, 3882 patients with acute myocardial infarction were assessed for marijuana use, revealing a 4.8-fold increase in the risk of myocardial infarction in the first hour after marijuana use compared to nonusers.24 Further review of this cohort and other case reports suggest that marijuana-associated myocardial infarction occurs in a relatively young population, as young as 20 years old, and that while additional risk factors, such as tobacco use, are often present, marijuana may serve as a sole risk factor."

 
LyleGold 
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01-26-19 05:46 PM - Post#273643    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

My guess is that the increase in heart attacks in the first hour after marijuana use was caused by massive intake of potato chips and onion dip.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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01-26-19 06:37 PM - Post#273651    
    In response to LyleGold

Not Doritos?

 
LyleGold 
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01-26-19 07:01 PM - Post#273658    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Doritos munchies is less likely to cause a heart attack since salsa won’t clog the arteties as much as onion dip.

Okay, I’m off to the Palestra for the potential Big 5 sweep against St. Joe’s. If it comes down to AJ or Antonio at the line, there may br a rash of coronaries tonight!

 
Mike Porter 
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Canady
01-26-19 07:15 PM - Post#273662    
    In response to LyleGold

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.iflscience.com/he...

At least one study shows nicotine and alcohol are worse for you than marijuana...

 
LyleGold 
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Re: Canady
01-26-19 07:30 PM - Post#273666    
    In response to Mike Porter

What about compared to Penn at the foul line?

 
Bruno 
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Re: Canady
01-30-19 12:54 AM - Post#274125    
    In response to Mike Porter

What a thread. From Princeton’s racial history to the merits and drawbacks of weed. Wow guys.

My dirty secret is that despite my Brown allegiance I too grew up in Princeton - in the 80s. Yes - some racial tensions. My other dirty secret is I smoke the occasional bud. No - it does not make me belligerent.

Neither of those things suggest anything about what actually happened, or whether or not this was understandable or justified on some level. Or if it was just an inebriated college student who lost his inhibitions and judgment.

We won’t know until we know, and we may never know.

You just hope this doesn’t derail this young man.
LET'S go BRU-no (duh. nuh. nuh-nuh-nuh)


 
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