Old Bear
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01-27-19 09:23 PM - Post#273838
I have now watched all 8 teams play 2 Ivy games and my opinion is that this could be the tightest competition, from top to bottom, in all of my years of watching Ivy BB. This is, of course, my eye-ball analysis, not an analytical conclusion. I continue to follow the advice of Robert Coase, a British Economist, who posited that "If you torture the data enough, it will confess to anything."
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Silver Maple
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Re: obert Coase 01-27-19 11:51 PM - Post#273854
In response to Old Bear
Was Robert Coase related to Ronald Coase, the Nobel Prize winning economist from the University of Chicago?
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AntiUngvar
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Re: obert Coase 01-28-19 12:30 AM - Post#273855
In response to Old Bear
Bear, It is Ronald.
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Old Bear
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01-28-19 09:33 AM - Post#273865
In response to AntiUngvar
My bad.
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Silver Maple
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01-28-19 10:06 AM - Post#273868
In response to Old Bear
Don't feel bad. As economists go, he's kind of obscure. He's known for some theorem regarding externalities, which I don't profess to understand at all. It's not like we're talking about Herbert Simon.
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sparman
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01-28-19 12:21 PM - Post#273882
In response to Silver Maple
Coase is often invoked by extreme free-market advocates in the legal arena. For example, those like Henry Manne who argued there should not be SEC prohibitions against insider trading because anyone watching market trades is gong to get all the information they need about a company, and on a more timely basis.
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SRP
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01-28-19 03:52 PM - Post#273892
In response to sparman
Coase is one of the less-obscure economists if you go by citations, including in other fields such as law and political science. His work was foundational in understanding how transactions costs shape institutional choices and their results, such as firm vs. market provision of inputs or "fencing-in" vs. "fencing-out" obligations in common law.
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Mike Porter
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01-28-19 06:33 PM - Post#273939
In response to SRP
I’m more a Michael Porter kind of guy. Even though a Harvard economist, how can you not like a guy which such a great name?!
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Old Bear
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01-28-19 08:23 PM - Post#273950
In response to Mike Porter
Ronnie Coarse has all 8 Ivies going 1 and 1 this weekend.
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cc66
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01-29-19 12:13 AM - Post#273973
In response to Old Bear
But that prediction fails to give full weight to the negative externality of psychological trauma among fans of the four Ivy teams who expected to go 2-0.
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mrjames
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Re: obert Coase 01-29-19 10:15 AM - Post#273990
In response to Old Bear
That perception is reality. By pretty much any measure that I know of, this is the toughest Ivy of the AI era. And if you consider that of the Top 10 players in terms of win shares, just one is a senior, and that of the 14 Ivy players with a 24+% usage rate, only two are seniors - the league's probably going to improve on this year in 2019-20.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-29-19 10:51 AM - Post#273991
In response to mrjames
3 Bid Ivy in 2020!
You heard it here first!
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AntiUngvar
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01-29-19 10:54 AM - Post#273993
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
THREE in the Big Dance?
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Robert Coase 01-29-19 11:21 AM - Post#274006
In response to AntiUngvar
Actually, if you look at key graduates, some teams will be materially impacted so I withdraw my irrational exuberance. Here are key graduates listed in my hypothetical ranking of impact:
Impacted:
Cornell: Morgan, Julian, Whiteside, Davis
Princeton: Cannady, Stephens
Penn: Woods, Silpe, Rothschild
Yale: Copeland, Phills, Reynolds
Nominally Impacted:
Columbia: Adlesh, Davis
Brown: Okolie, Sullivan, Fuller
Dartmouth: Smith
No Impact:
Harvard: Corey Johnson
Harvard and Cornell aside, this bodes well for parity in 2019-20.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 01-29-19 11:23 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mrjames
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Re: obert Coase 01-29-19 12:21 PM - Post#274016
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Cornell's going to have real problems. Princeton will be in trouble as well, though at least the Tigers have recruited really well recently and theoretically have talent that could steady the ship.
The biggest losses tend to be good, high usage offensive players, because they're the hardest type of talent to find. Among Penn and Yale's losses, there are none of that type of player, certainly not for Penn (Woods is the highest at 18.9% of poss). That's not to say they won't need to replace some talent, just that they don't need to find a unicorn to do so.
At the end of the day, the talent that has missed a significant amount/all of this season and will return next year might be better as a starting five (if undersized) than the best five out of the departing talent: (Aiken, Mike Smith, Betley, Towns, Llewellyn).
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Robert Coase 01-29-19 12:43 PM - Post#274019
In response to mrjames
I guess the initial thought is which teams will make the 2020 tournament.
Yale and Penn are losing a lot, but likely both have depth to compete. Penn with Brodeur, Wang and Lorca Lloyd and Yale with Atkinson, Bruner and Oni each retain talented bigs and so should remain favorites.
Brown and Harvard are losing little so they'll be in the mix.
Of others, Princeton should stay competitive as you mention and if Smith returns Columbia should improve. Let's see if Dartmouth continues its competitive play this season as its run thus far is based on underclassmen. If so, then other than Cornell we could have a nice 7 team race for the tournament, wherever it may be held.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 01-29-19 12:44 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: obert Coase 01-29-19 12:47 PM - Post#274020
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Penn is not losing a lot---a great defensive player in Woods---they will be able to replace him. Rothschild is not healthy anyway and is not as good as Wang. And Betley comes back. I would be shocked if Penn is not significantly better next year.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-29-19 12:51 PM - Post#274021
In response to palestra38
Good points. Thought on Penn is more defense and rebounding. Also looks like Silpe is in your mix now.
With Betley and others who appear to be injured Penn should be fine. Lorca Lloyd appears to be more of a rebounder and defender initially so that will help Brodeur immensely.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-29-19 12:54 PM - Post#274022
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
By the way, I know it appears that Max has been injured a lot, but he's played in 15 of 18 games and averaged over 17 minutes per game.
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palestra38
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01-29-19 01:08 PM - Post#274025
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I don't want to minimize the contributions of Woods (a player I love), Rothschild and Silpe. It's just like Wood and Foreman last year---very good pieces, but they can be replaced and I believe they will be.
Princeton, on the other hand, is losing its two best players after losing one of them last year. Relying on freshmen is usually not a winning strategy in this league, but we will see.
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Quakers03
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01-29-19 11:10 PM - Post#274101
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
By the way, I know it appears that Max has been injured a lot, but he's played in 15 of 18 games and averaged over 17 minutes per game.
17 healthy minutes per game are VERY different than what he's currently able to give. It's really a shame.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-29-19 11:21 PM - Post#274103
In response to Quakers03
Hopefully these last weeks of rest will have him ready for conference play.
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Quakers03
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Robert Coase 01-29-19 11:37 PM - Post#274110
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Based on what we have seen recently, that most likely will not be the case. Assuming injections haven't worked, I don't know how it's going to improve without being completely shut down.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: obert Coase 01-30-19 12:59 PM - Post#274147
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Actually, if you look at key graduates, some teams will be materially impacted so I withdraw my irrational exuberance.
HDG: You can still make that deposit at your soonest convenience.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-30-19 02:04 PM - Post#274168
In response to AntiUngvar
Now I understand.
I was referring to a three bid ivy, not my exuberance (irrational or otherwise) for my Crimson.
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AntiUngvar
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01-30-19 02:09 PM - Post#274170
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Yes, and you can even make a withdrawal and subsequent deposit on line, if that's easier for you, HDG.
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