AntiUngvar
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01-28-19 11:00 AM - Post#273872
With one semester left before he was to graduate, Rodney Hunter is now apparently gone from Columbia College and the men's basketball program. Rodney began this season as part of Columbia's starting five; and the coach crowed about what a pleasant surprise Hunter had been for the program during the pre-season practices and scrimmages; and merely two months later, Rodney Hunter is gone. That's now SIX student athletes and TWO coaches who've jumped Jim Engles' sinking ship in the last fifteen months- a startling rate of attrition matched ONLY in Washington, D.C. by the Trump administration. This is not, mind you, nearly an issue for any of the other Ivy member schools; ONLY HERE! IN NEW YORK CITY- FOR THE SCHOOL IN MORNINGSIDE HEIGHTS. And still the sniffling geezers who write in here all too regularly, professing their love for Columbia basketball and supplying information about amounts of monies they've donated to the CU athletic program over the years, refuse to demand answers from Peter Pilling and Jim Engles as to the appropriate, obvious and necessary questions. Not even any of those interlopers, who have time to come on here and lecture on all forms of inappropriate language, have time for this subject- a student athlete's quitting a team is the sporting equivalent of suicide; and it should be of concern to us all.
Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-28-19 11:14 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Billy Hoyle
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01-29-19 04:13 PM - Post#274045
In response to AntiUngvar
maybe his dad will come and explain what happened. He was a such a promoter of Hunter before he enrolled. What a foolish decision to leave now (unless he had no choice). One more semester and he could graduate and go find a school that would take a grad transfer with his stats.
Also, there is a difference between "quitting" and "transferring." Many factors go into transferring and on some occasions, players don't have a choice and there are circumstances most will never know about. I think back to the years of criticism Kyle Smith took for Dyami Starks when people didn't know why Starks left.
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AntiUngvar
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Rodney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-29-19 05:47 PM - Post#274051
In response to Billy Hoyle
I think back to the years of criticism Kyle Smith took for Dyami Starks when people didn't know why Starks left.
Billy: Kyle Smith may have had one kid leave in an unsettling way, during his entire six years at Columbia; meanwhile, his successor's had SIX players and TWO assistant coaches leave in one year- which of these situation do you think is more unsettling?
Edited by AntiUngvar on 01-29-19 05:48 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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01-29-19 06:53 PM - Post#274063
In response to Billy Hoyle
One odd thought. Can Hunter actually come back and play his final year of eligibility at Columbia next year if he leaves School now? If he graduated in the spring, he’d have to go the grad route like Castlin. But if he left School, could he come back to finish next year and play basketball?
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cc66
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Rodney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-29-19 07:16 PM - Post#274070
In response to SomeGuy
He's not coming back to school or to Columbia basketball.
Let's just say that the parent of a current player was quite uncomfortable passing on even this little bit of information. I'm the one who speculated that if someone leaves the team at the end of January after grades come out, his departure probably has something to do with his academic performance. This speculation could be completely erroneous, though his departure from school suggests that whatever happened had absolutely nothing to do with the basketball program.
Edited by cc66 on 01-29-19 07:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: odney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-29-19 07:28 PM - Post#274077
In response to cc66
Rodney participated in all games to date, apart from those versus Cornell. A number of those took place after the fall semester ended- namely, those versus Rutgers, Northwestern, Binghamton and Elmira.
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SomeGuy
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Re: odney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-29-19 07:28 PM - Post#274078
In response to cc66
Got it. Yes, it seems clear that there is nothing to gain basketball-wise from leaving. And it could preclude even going the graduate route. Doesn’t have to be grades, necessarily, but obviously something personal.
Wish Rodney and his family the best.
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RHunter3
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01-30-19 12:13 PM - Post#274140
In response to SomeGuy
I won't go into all of the details. For starters it's not grades related. He's grades are good as they have always been. It's also nothing with Coach Engles, he and the AD have been great as far as the situation is concerned. Rodney has done everything he's been asked to do and sacrificing his game for the team. He loves the team and the school.
Hint...............He will be back(summer) with 2 years of eligibility left and one can/will be at Columbia.
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AntiUngvar
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01-30-19 12:18 PM - Post#274142
In response to RHunter3
Can only hope there's some truth to this- time will certainly tell.
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RHunter3
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01-30-19 12:21 PM - Post#274144
In response to AntiUngvar
He will be back in May------100%
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AntiUngvar
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01-30-19 12:47 PM - Post#274146
In response to RHunter3
I can only hope I'm alive another 90 days to witness it; but, even if I'm not, it's good to hear there still are some guarantees left in this lifetime!
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cc66
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01-30-19 01:43 PM - Post#274165
In response to RHunter3
Glad to be wrong about the reason. Good to hear he will be coming back.
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hoopsfan
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01-30-19 02:42 PM - Post#274181
In response to cc66
Thank you Mr. Hunter.
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Columbia 37P6
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Rodney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-30-19 04:39 PM - Post#274195
In response to hoopsfan
Thank you very much Mr Hunter for the clarification. I am delighted to learn that Rodney will be returning to Columbia this summer "with 2 years of eligibility left and one can/will be at Columbia." Also, I am glad to hear that his leaving now has nothing whatsoever to do with Coach Engles and is not grade related as some had wrongly speculated. Whatever the situation is, I believe that all Columbia fans wish the Hunter family the very best. For my part, I have enjoyed reading all of your wise posts on this Board the past three years and look forward to dialoguing with your further.
Edited by Columbia 37P6 on 01-30-19 04:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TheLine
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01-30-19 05:38 PM - Post#274206
In response to Columbia 37P6
Thanks for the update, Mr. Hunter. Glad to hear everything is well. And always good to have an option for a grad year on scholarship.
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Billy Hoyle
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Re: odney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-30-19 09:12 PM - Post#274227
In response to AntiUngvar
I wasn't comparing Kyle and Engles' attrition, just that there are many circumstances for transfer beyond playing time and happiness with the coaches that many never know about and don't always fall on the coach.
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Billy Hoyle
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Re: odney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-30-19 09:20 PM - Post#274229
In response to Columbia 37P6
Thank you very much Mr Hunter for the clarification. I am delighted to learn that Rodney will be returning to Columbia this summer "with 2 years of eligibility left and one can/will be at Columbia."
Two additional years of eligibility is not possible as he's already used three: 16-17, 17-18 and 18-19. He played in 13 games this season so unless CU plays in 44 games this year he cannot get this year back. Plus, he only has one more year of eligibility in his five-year clock due to his redshirt as a freshman. One gets five years to play four.
I hope the kid isn't getting erroneous advice.
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RHunter3
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Re: odney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-30-19 09:35 PM - Post#274231
In response to Billy Hoyle
The information is good. He will get a 6th year.
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TheLine
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01-31-19 09:05 AM - Post#274239
In response to RHunter3
Last year there were changes to the NCAA rules on redshirting but I think the only change to the number of games played applies to football.
The one way to get a 6th year is to take an academic year off - like what Rosenberg did. Does that mean Rodney has 1 1/2 years eligibility remaining? I'm unclear on how half seasons work.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: odney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-31-19 10:52 AM - Post#274245
In response to Billy Hoyle
Two additional years of eligibility is not possible as he's already used three: 16-17, 17-18 and 18-19. He played in 13 games this season so unless CU plays in 44 games this year he cannot get this year back. Plus, he only has one more year of eligibility in his five-year clock due to his redshirt as a freshman. One gets five years to play four.
I hope the kid isn't getting erroneous advice.
Think you're on point as usual, Billy; and this is starting to look like another only at Columbia situation.
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TheLine
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01-31-19 11:19 AM - Post#274250
In response to AntiUngvar
Do you have a handle on the eligibility rules on this specific situation or are you speculating? I think the question is whether Hunter retains an extra half-season by taking the semester off. I could be wrong about that. I defer to Mr. Hunter as being more of an expert than I am.
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RHunter3
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01-31-19 11:27 AM - Post#274251
In response to TheLine
I won't say that I'm an expert, but we are making an informed decision. Nothing is a 100% guarantee other than he will be back at Columbia this summer. My brother is a college basketball coach. my best friend's wife is an Asst. AD of basketball at a G5 school, the people here at Columbia............so it's not a decision that has been take lightly.
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AntiUngvar
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01-31-19 01:56 PM - Post#274270
In response to RHunter3
How does the governing NCAA body define "having taken a semester off" if a student athlete's competed in four games from December 22, 2018 to January 12, 2019- a period of time following the conclusion of the fall semester and the administration of said term's examinations???
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TheLine
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Rodney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-31-19 02:11 PM - Post#274273
In response to AntiUngvar
Rodney isn't enrolled for the spring semester if I'm understanding this thread correctly. As long as he isn't an enrolled student, he isn't using up his eligibility. That part is clear.
What I'm not clear about are the rules on eligibility moving forward. Does he get an extra half season at Columbia and then 1 year as a grad transfer elsewhere? I assume it can't be 2 full years because he played 13 games during the fall semester. That's above the threshold I think.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: odney Hunter; yet another Engles casualty
01-31-19 02:31 PM - Post#274275
In response to TheLine
Rodney isn't enrolled for the spring semester if I'm understanding this thread correctly. As long as he isn't an enrolled student, he isn't using up his eligibility. That part is clear.
THAT part may be clear as to Rodney Hunter's future eligibility. But does the NCAA care that the school played him in games following the conclusion of the fall semester, given that he's not a spring-2019 student?
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RHunter3
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01-31-19 03:16 PM - Post#274282
In response to AntiUngvar
How about this.........as this as the picture get clear I will post to keep you guys updated.
On another note, we almost added another Hunter to Columbia football.
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Columbia 37P6
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01-31-19 03:38 PM - Post#274285
In response to RHunter3
Yes, I heard an unconfirmed rumor about a possible 295 pound football recruit with the "Hunter" name, but nothing official yet so we will have to wait and see what happens.
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RHunter3
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01-31-19 03:58 PM - Post#274292
In response to Columbia 37P6
Not sure who that is, lol. I was referring to my other son. He's a 6'3 safety. He ultimately chose Marshall over UVA, Iowa State, Columbia, Cornell, Fordham, and Wake Forest.
The Hunters love Columbia and the experiences we've had the last few year!!!!
https://n.rivals.com/content/prospects/201 9/rashaw...
http://www.hudl.com/v/2AdMSw
http://www.hudl.com/v/292pxY
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AntiUngvar
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02-01-19 08:22 PM - Post#274635
In response to RHunter3
He will be back in May------100%
Let's see: this guy's son will be back in May; the Insider's already informed us that Mike Smith will be rejoining the team in April.....
That's all well and good; but the way this Princeton game's going tonight (Princeton up, 20-8, midway through the first half), CU's season could basically be over, in approximately 27 hours from now.
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Chet Forte
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02-01-19 08:53 PM - Post#274646
In response to AntiUngvar
Worst offensive display in the first half in my memory. We cannot buy a basket.
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rbg
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04-16-19 10:39 PM - Post#283704
In response to AntiUngvar
According to Jeff Goodman at Stadium.com, Rodney Hunter will be transferring.
Also, C.J. Davis will attempt to be a grad transfer.
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Chet Forte
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04-17-19 08:08 AM - Post#283706
In response to rbg
I do not see how Engles is at fault here. He gave Hunter plenty of chances. While I wish Rodney the best of luck, I do not see this as an Engles issue. Rodney tried hard and played good defense, but his offensive shortcomings kept him on the bench.
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Bill Lewis
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04-17-19 10:02 AM - Post#283714
In response to Chet Forte
Isn't Rodney graduating this spring? After Rodney's injury his freshman year, I recall his father posting that he expected Rodney to play at another school as a graduate transfer.
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Billy Hoyle
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10-01-19 11:55 AM - Post#288111
In response to Bill Lewis
I just noticed Rodney is not on the roster this year.
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cc66
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10-01-19 08:16 PM - Post#288122
In response to Billy Hoyle
The word was he was done last January. What made you think he would return?
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Billy Hoyle
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10-08-19 12:39 PM - Post#288384
In response to cc66
The word was he was done last January. What made you think he would return?
this statement from his dad (among others):
"Nothing is a 100% guarantee other than he will be back at Columbia this summer."
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cc66
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10-08-19 07:26 PM - Post#288392
In response to Billy Hoyle
I saw that too. Maybe I was listening to another branch of the grapevine, but from last February on, I heard he was done and gone.
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Billy Hoyle
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10-09-19 02:00 PM - Post#288409
In response to cc66
I saw that too. Maybe I was listening to another branch of the grapevine, but from last February on, I heard he was done and gone.
I honestly never expected him to return. And considering he left one semester short of graduation there has to be more to the story.
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cc66
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10-09-19 05:13 PM - Post#288411
In response to Billy Hoyle
I think there is, which explains all the whispering.
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RHunter3
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11-06-19 09:47 AM - Post#290028
In response to Billy Hoyle
Just for the record. He's at Columbia and has been since summer. There are a few rules that everyone involved didn't realize. So, no he will graduate this semester and grad transfer.
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