palestra38
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02-01-19 02:00 PM - Post#274407
In response to SomeGuy
That's the way I felt approaching Temple and St Joe's--not Cornell. If we cannot enforce our will against Cornell, we are not nearly as good as I think we are.
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TheLine
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Re: Cornell
02-01-19 02:05 PM - Post#274409
In response to SomeGuy
SomeGuy, I agree with your analysis. I can see Boeheim giving us fits but we must stop Morgan. My preference is Woods on Morgan, which would leave Boeheim to a combination of Washington/Silpe/Wang. Failing that, Goodman on Morgan and Woods on Boeheim. Both Goodman and Silpe took a leap on the defensive end this year, I think we've been solid against guard oriented teams but size give us trouble especially with Wang and Rothschild's injury issues.
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PennFan10
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02-01-19 02:16 PM - Post#274410
In response to TheLine
We have 4 of the best on ball defenders in the league in Woods, Goodman, Silpe and Washington. There aren’t many in the league that go 4 deep at the guard spots on defense. I would feel comfortable with any of them guarding Morgan and likely most of them will get a shot.
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02-01-19 02:28 PM - Post#274412
In response to palestra38
A double is not the same as packing the lane. A double comes at him from the other side to get at the dribble. But unless they double, Brodeur should be able to score 30 on these guys. They don't have anyone to stop him.
Yeah I get that but my point was that they could try to take any drives to the hoop AND make life difficult for AJ inside. I think either or both will work for Penn by enabling our guys to run their stuff outside.
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LyleGold
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02-01-19 03:26 PM - Post#274419
In response to palestra38
A double is not the same as packing the lane. A double comes at him from the other side to get at the dribble. But unless they double, Brodeur should be able to score 30 on these guys. They don't have anyone to stop him.
That's really nitpicking. Packing the lane makes that type of double much easier. You also see guards double down once the entry pass goes into the post. Both of those create opportunities if Brodeur kicks it out or passes in the lane. Sometimes he does; sometimes he shoots anyhow. Max was more effective at the interior pass, so doubling underneath might be a good strategy for Cornell. Either way, I think we win easily if we hit a few early outside shots to keep perimeter defenders honest.
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palestra38
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02-01-19 03:42 PM - Post#274420
In response to LyleGold
This is a game Brodeur should score well over 20 and we should not have to rely on 3 point shooting to win. We have a weapon they cannot stop and we need to use it. The last two games, Brodeur has shot 14-22 from 2 against bigger opponents. He's in excellent form right now and he's our best weapon by far in the Ivies. Now is the time to unleash him. That will open up the 3s to be wide open. But unless there is a guard swiping at the ball, I want Brodeur to take the shot.
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TheLine
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02-01-19 03:45 PM - Post#274422
In response to palestra38
That's not the right way of looking at the game.
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palestra38
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02-01-19 03:51 PM - Post#274423
In response to TheLine
You mean it's not how you see it.
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PennFan10
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02-01-19 03:54 PM - Post#274424
In response to palestra38
If Cornell decides AJ isn’t going to score 20+, he won’t be able to and we will need to knock down shots and rotate the ball. AJ can score (put your number here) if they single cover him, but any team can limit AJ if they decide to take that strategy.
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palestra38
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02-01-19 03:59 PM - Post#274425
In response to PennFan10
Of course. But you have to force them to do that. I'm not saying AJ should force it through the double team--I am saying the opposite. But I doubt they will come out with a double team. And whenever he has single coverage, I want him to take it to the hoop.
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Mike Porter
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02-01-19 04:18 PM - Post#274426
In response to palestra38
Yeah... I'm a Big AJ fan and dude is awesome, but there are teams that have shown it is possible to make him uncomfortable and get him off his game.
If they decide they have to stop him, they can, and that is when the other guys need to step up and hit 3's.
Earlier you said he should score 30 on them, then definitely more than 20, and that is just too much overconfidence for my taste.
AJ has scored more than 30 points just once in his entire career. This year he has scored more than 20 points, once (did score 20 in 3 others but you said more than 20).
So if our plan is to have AJ score 30 to win, not sure that is a great strategy. We need to play our team game just like we have most of the year, i.e. move the ball until a good shot regardless of who is shooting.
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palestra38
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Re: Cornell
02-01-19 05:05 PM - Post#274429
In response to Mike Porter
You guys are just too literal. No, he does not have to score 30 for us to win---just that if they do not decide to double him and leave a man open on every play, he can score 30 against this team, who does not have a center who can match up with him. And I have full confidence that if they double him, Penn will move the ball to the open man.
I like Penn giving the 6
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Re: Cornell
02-01-19 05:23 PM - Post#274434
In response to palestra38
Looks like Penn -6 1/2 on most sites now. I'm sure you like that even more...
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TheLine
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02-01-19 05:32 PM - Post#274437
In response to PennFan10
Right on, PF10.
We have to play our game. If they can't guard AJ tight / don't double him then he will get his shots. But they probably will and others will need to make their shots.
Offensive has to do what they did against St. Joe's. Always look to make the extra pass.
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Mike Porter
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 02-01-19 05:48 PM - Post#274439
In response to TheLine
Yep agree with this. Just need to play our game and hit our shots. I'm confident in the team for sure also P38, but just don't need to go crazy with it. 
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02-01-19 05:57 PM - Post#274440
In response to rbg
Defensively, Morgan will always get his points. Even if he is bottled up in the first half, he seems to finish in the low 20s by the end of the game. He tends to fill the stat sheet with 2s, 3s and FTs. If Penn can disrupt one aspect from the field or limit his FT attempts, they will have had a good night.
I don't care if Morgan gets his points. I care if he's efficient. If he scores an inefficient 30, Penn almost certainly wins.
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palestra38
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02-01-19 05:57 PM - Post#274441
In response to Mike Porter
Again, if we cannot win this game, against what is probably the weakest team in the league, we're not nearly as good as I think we are. We must win this game.
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Silver Maple
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02-01-19 06:00 PM - Post#274442
In response to TheLine
Right on, PF10.
We have to play our game. If they can't guard AJ tight / don't double him then he will get his shots. But they probably will and others will need to make their shots.
AJ has gotten much better this year at exploiting the double team. That will be a big key to success over the rest of the season.
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PennFan10
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Re: Cornell
02-01-19 06:00 PM - Post#274443
In response to palestra38
You guys are just too literal. No, he does not have to score 30 for us to win---just that if they do not decide to double him and leave a man open on every play, he can score 30 against this team, who does not have a center who can match up with him. And I have full confidence that if they double him, Penn will move the ball to the open man.
I like Penn giving the 6
Same page.
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rbg
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02-01-19 06:03 PM - Post#274444
In response to PennFan10
No Barry Leonard and Eric Taylor on the broadcast. Princeton's Noah Savage is doing the game.
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