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internetter 
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02-02-19 10:57 PM - Post#274853    

Quakers by 2
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Edited by internetter on 02-02-19 11:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Tod Howard Hawks 
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02-02-19 10:58 PM - Post#274854    
    In response to internetter

No comment.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-02-19 10:59 PM - Post#274855    
    In response to internetter

Why didn’t Engles draw up a three point shot for the win instead of having Stefanini take a contested midrange jumper? A winnable game which we should have closed out.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-03-19 12:05 AM - Post#274867    
    In response to Chet Forte

Chet, you know from numerous similar situations in the past, that Engles does not call many time outs down the stretch. I hope that is because he adheres rigorously to the belief that it is advantageous to the Lions if he lets them coach themselves at the end of the game. In all fairness to Engles, I can see that being a smart strategy in certain situations such as where you have a standout one-on-one player who can go end to end quickly with only a few seconds left on the clock. Alternatively, if Engles doesn't have a reasoned endgame strategy, and simply freezes, then our Athletic Director needs to help him overcome that serious problem. Incidentally, I watched tonight's game with Penn on ESPN+ and was very impressed with the analyst, Dr. John Giannini, the former LaSalle head coach. He had great insights into what happening on the court and made a couple of constructive suggestions that some of the Columbia players might take to heart. I particularly liked what he said about Ie Ie Nweke, the Lions' freshman center who has lots of potential

 
cc66 
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02-03-19 12:26 AM - Post#274871    
    In response to Chet Forte

We tried to tie because while we weren't getting 3 pt shots, Adlesh and Steffanini were getting a lot of 2 pt shots in the lane. A three pt. shot for the win would have been great, except that given the way the game had gone, it was a shot with a much lower percentage of going in.

This was the 7th game this season that we have lost by 3 pts or less. It should also be noted that if you believe KenPom, we are not projected to win another game the rest of the way.

I'm curious: what did Giovanni say that Nweke needs to learn?

Two other short takes: with the score 34-33 Penn, I saw Engles yell at his players in the huddle for the first time in two and half years.

Also, Jack Forest, our 6'5 guard recruit for next year was sitting right behind us. He loves the team, the coach, and said that once he visited Columbia, he canceled the next four campus visits. He is moving to NY early next summer to practice with the team.

Edited by cc66 on 02-03-19 12:52 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-03-19 01:00 AM - Post#274877    
    In response to cc66

When a game is tied, you obviously wait until the clock runs down before you take the final shot. When you are losing you don't let the clock run down which is what happened tonight. Anyway, I am very glad to hear about Jack Forest.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-03-19 08:43 AM - Post#274884    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Something is amiss whenso many games are being lost like this. I would have called a 30 second time out and set up a play for Adlesh to shoot a three. Running the clock down and then taking a midrange jumper for a tie? I don’t think so.


 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-03-19 09:58 AM - Post#274889    
    In response to Chet Forte

cc66, in reply to your query, Dr. Giannini basically said that when Ike Nweke gets the ball near the basket he should be looking to shot from there or try to get closer and not just settle for a difficult fadeaway jump shot. Giannini seems very enthusiastic about Nweke's potential and so am I.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-03-19 10:26 AM - Post#274893    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Nweke reminds me of a very good Yale F who graduated a few years ago. Around the same size and immovable down low, and a great defender and rebounder.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-03-19 10:37 AM - Post#274895    
    In response to Chet Forte

PS, so Penn took 27 FTs and we took 6, and Engles complimented the refs after the game?


 
Columbia 37P6 
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02-03-19 10:45 AM - Post#274896    
    In response to Chet Forte

That was Brandon Sherrod who was an inch shorter than Iweke at 6'6" 240. James Jones stationed him near the basket and Sherrod executed brilliantly. Engles is teaching Nweke to move away from the basket which makes no sense. Anyway, I have had enough misery watching our men's basketball program fall apart so I am on to watching Bob Kraft's team win another Super Bowl.

 
Chet Forte 
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02-03-19 11:32 AM - Post#274902    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Correct; Brandon Sherrod, who was a terror. Nweke has that potential but should be stationed down low. He’s 240 now, will probably get even bigger and stronger, and should be stationed near the paint. Nobody on this staff knows how to coach big men. Nweke should be immovable down low. And a coach who knows how to coach big men would be able to show Tape how to stay out of foul trouble.


 
SomeGuy 
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02-03-19 12:56 PM - Post#274917    
    In response to Columbia 37P6

Note that this is what Sherrod became as a fifth year, and that Nweke doesn’t compare unfavorably to even that version of Sherrod. Nweke gets a higher percentage of available rebounds than Sherrod did at any point in his Yale career, shoots at a higher percentage than Sherrod did in any of his first three years, and has a higher usage rate than Sherrod ever did.



 
Chet Forte 
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02-03-19 03:26 PM - Post#274933    
    In response to SomeGuy

Agreed. Nweke has a huge upside but should be playing inside and not outside.


 
internetter 
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02-03-19 08:35 PM - Post#274965    
    In response to Chet Forte

Penn made 50% of twos, C 58.5 of theirs;
C attempted 7 more; P made 25% of treys,
C 38.5; both tried the same number

Stats lie!






west coast fan


 
AntiUngvar 
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02-04-19 10:51 AM - Post#275002    
    In response to internetter

But those are only partial stats- other revealing numbers, including rebounds (Penn had seven more), personal fouls (Columbia was called for ten more) and free throws attempted (Penn attempted 21 more) all produced huge margins in favor of the winning UPenn team.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-04-19 11:17 AM - Post#275005    
    In response to AntiUngvar

The bottom line is that this was a very winnable game which slipped away. As much as I love Stefanini’s game, the key play at the end was when he stole the ball and not only failed to finish but committed a foul. That 4 point swing did it. So even though I have occasionally joined the chorus of detractors of Engles, I can’t blame that one on him. What I do fault, of course, is holding the ball for the final shot which turned out to be a contested mid-range jumper instead of calling another 30 second time out and designing a three pint play for Adlesh curling off a screen. So we keep on coming up with new and inventive ways to fail to close out winnable games.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-04-19 11:19 AM - Post#275008    
    In response to Chet Forte

Another spell check typo— meant three point shot, of course.


 
AntiUngvar 
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02-04-19 12:35 PM - Post#275020    
    In response to Chet Forte

Stef was out there for 75 minutes this weekend in really his first, starting Ivy League back-to-back. The kid gave you everything that he had to give.


 
Chet Forte 
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02-04-19 02:02 PM - Post#275035    
    In response to AntiUngvar

Stefanini is our best player. What I had observed is not a knock on him. He is a warrior.


 
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