internetter
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02-04-19 10:44 PM - Post#275092
In response to AntiUngvar
Also to be noted, the only Lions to try more than 3 shots were the 2 guards and Nweke.Three others played more than 20 minutes.
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SomeGuy
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02-05-19 08:46 AM - Post#275096
In response to Chet Forte
For what it’s worth, Columbia had plenty of time to choose a play there and did so. Yes, a time out lets you get set a little more, but it also let’s the Defense settle more. The play out of a timeout presumably would have been the same.
As for a 3, with one shot, I want to take the highest percentage shot I can. It doesn’t make sense to go for the lower percentage shot when you lose if you miss. That said, when Stefanini comes off the screen, Adlesh is in the corner to that side. If Goodman hedges in to help on Stefanini, the play is for Gabe to kick it out to Adlesh. For what Columbia ran, it basically was going to come down to a 2 for Stefanini or a 3 for Adlesh. Goodman stayed home, so Stefanini shoots it.
Always interesting choices in a tight game about holding for the last shot. Giannini wanted Donahue to go for a quick shot on the prior possession and play for 2 for 1. I think that’s right in a tie game, but not with a lead. Similarly, even down 2, if i’m Columbia I don’t hold for the last shot. Even in a one possession game, if i’m down I want to extend the game. But it’s arguable, and was interesting to see the choice Engles made.
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AntiUngvar
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02-05-19 10:48 AM - Post#275101
In response to internetter
Also to be noted, the only Lions to try more than 3 shots were the 2 guards and Nweke.Three others played more than 20 minutes.
Very true, and very much Engles.
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AntiUngvar
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02-05-19 11:03 AM - Post#275102
In response to SomeGuy
You can't presume what could have been play called out of a timeout- and the result couldn't have been any worse. Penn's defense was certainly prepared to witness an Engles guard dominate the ball in those final moments; as has been the case so many times before, and as the Penn coaches surely pointed out during film sessions leading up to the game and on game day itself.
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SomeGuy
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02-05-19 11:21 AM - Post#275104
In response to AntiUngvar
I’m actually not sure that was the case. Woods, Penn’s best defender, was lying on the ground under the basket after Penn’s last offensive play, and so Penn had to scramble getting back. That left Silpe on Stefanini. It is possible that was the matchup Penn wanted anyway, but that is Penn’s third or fourth best perimeter defender guarding Columbia’s best offensive player. By spreading the floor the way they did and not calling timeout, Columbia made it difficult for Penn to choose the defensive matchups.
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AntiUngvar
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02-05-19 11:30 AM - Post#275105
In response to SomeGuy
Penn may have had to scramble; but the knowledge of what an Engles team does in the final 15 seconds of every last possession game is priceless.
Edited by AntiUngvar on 02-05-19 11:31 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Penn
02-05-19 11:41 AM - Post#275106
In response to AntiUngvar
It also wasn’t any different from what they had done with astounding success through the last 10 minutes of the game.
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AntiUngvar
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Re: Penn
02-05-19 11:56 AM - Post#275108
In response to SomeGuy
You can argue with me all day, not that you require my or anyone else's encouragement, but you can't argue with the results. Would have been nice if they declared a winner during the period of time you cited; but usually they don't do that.
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Chet Forte
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02-05-19 01:01 PM - Post#275113
In response to AntiUngvar
The common thread running throughout all of these comments is the shared sense of frustration that so many of us share in having to suffer through so many close losses.
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cc66
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02-05-19 01:09 PM - Post#275115
In response to Chet Forte
One more point on the 3 pt. shot as the closer:
Columbia had averaged 25 3 pters per game before Penn, but it could only take 13 on Saturday night. True, they made 5, but the difficulty of getting a 3 pt shot off suggests that maybe relying on one as the last option might not have been such a good idea.
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02-05-19 01:30 PM - Post#275118
In response to cc66
Yea, Dev was never gonna help off Adlesh on that last play. That's been Penn's calling card all year, stay on the 3pt shooters and play one on one defense, switching almost everything.
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SomeGuy
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02-05-19 02:36 PM - Post#275119
In response to PennFan10
Yes, and Columbia ran Stefanini off two screens, so it was Silpe switching to Brodeur switching to Woods to contest the last shot.
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internetter
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02-05-19 02:44 PM - Post#275121
In response to SomeGuy
With limited treys, an unusually poor game by Tape, unusual foul calls difference, a 2-pt loss.
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