Eric Von Zipper
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02-07-19 05:06 PM - Post#275368
Opens Eli -7
No Cannady
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bradley
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Re: Yale
02-07-19 07:32 PM - Post#275407
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Understandable that Yale is a heavy favorite. Without knowing the status of Llewellyn, this game would be a tough one to go with the Tigers even with the points. If Llewellyn and Cannady were playing, Yale would still be the favorite but it might be a tempting bet.
Over the past 7 games in which the Tigers are 7-0, the other team were favorites in six of the seven games. Based on the predictions of the experts, the Tigers should be 0-4 in IL play so anything can happen in a given game.
The next 3 games Yale, Brown and Harvard will be the toughest stretch of the season and may be determinative if the Tigers have any opportunity to win the regular season. As one who has no interest in IvyMadness, these games matter and will be extremely challenging. Let's see if the next man up and defense/rebounding first philosphy can holds up or not.
Friday night will probably be the toughest test of them all - road game against a very tough team. Biggest challenge is try to keep the Bulldogs from going on a major run or two == may not be possible.
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westcoast
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02-07-19 08:26 PM - Post#275416
In response to bradley
I don't believe that Princeton has announced anything yet about the status of Llewellyn or Cannady for this weekend's games.
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bradley
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02-07-19 09:00 PM - Post#275422
In response to westcoast
Thanks for information.
Yale is 6-0 at home with a 16 pt differential. It is also Alumni Weekend and finally, they have swept Penn and Princeton 7 of the past 8 years.
Challenging game but let it rip! Nothing to lose.
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Eric Von Zipper
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02-07-19 09:26 PM - Post#275424
In response to bradley
FWIW to all punters.
Here are the Ivy standings ATS this season:
Princeton 4-0
Yale 3-1
Dartmouth 2-1-1
Columbia 2-2
Cornell 2-2
Harvard 2-2
Brown 0-3-1
Pennsylvania 0-4
It's Ice Carnival weekend in Hanover so look for the Indians to bring home the wampum.
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SRP
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02-08-19 05:23 AM - Post#275439
In response to Eric Von Zipper
It's strange how the identities of teams can drift over time. Who would have imagined a few years ago a Yale team with a lot of skilled finesse players facing a physical, defensive Princeton squad?
The Tigers are going to have to go in ready to be physical. Play tough D, hit the boards, try to cut down on the turnovers, and attack on the inside. Pray for 30% three-point shooting or better and keep hitting free throws.
A tall task, but not an out-of-reach one. Startle the world!
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Charlie Fog
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02-08-19 07:33 AM - Post#275440
In response to westcoast
except the game
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bradley
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02-08-19 12:04 PM - Post#275485
In response to westcoast
I have been under the belief that Devin would have a minimum suspension of at least 5 games or possibly season long. I thought that there would be an outside chance that we would return for this weekend's games. He obviously remains very close to the team and has been actively engaged during timeouts, pre-game etc.
At the end of the day, I believe that Princeton's administration will make the correct decision based on all of the facts which we do not have. I am fine with whatever decision they make. If he does come back, there will be a certain level of "noise" that the administation will have to deal with.
Mitch and the administration are obviously not communicating so a final decision has probably not yet been made but who knows. Time will tell.
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JadwinGeorge
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02-08-19 12:29 PM - Post#275487
In response to bradley
Once again, I agree.
I expect Jaelin to play, although I have no idea if he will be hampered. If he is not effective the Bulldog backcourt might be too much too handle. Schwieger was very effective posting shorter defenders last week, but that is a far more difficult task against Yale. I think Stephens and Richmond will more than hold their own, but our rather slim chances depend upon another superb total team effort on defense. You hate to go into Friday's game hoping for a weekend split but I'd take it right now. Cambridge has been slumping for some reason and spending 40 minutes with Myles Stephens on your butt is a tough way to break out of it.
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bradley
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02-08-19 03:17 PM - Post#275509
In response to SRP
Another match up that may cause problems besides Copeland is Reyonolds. He has the ability to sneak out beyond the 3 pt line and Reynolds can shoot 3s. DesRosiers, Much, Schwieger cannot take their eyes off him while others have the ball. As Yale has both an inside/outside game, the Tigers will have to play a defense similar to Penn vs. Columbia and Cornell but Mitch will have to make game time adjustments based on who is hot.
I always love the explanation when a team loses especially to a lesser opponent that the other team was simply hot beyond the arc or within 2 pt territory and thre is no accountability regarding how the defense played -- sounds like a big old excuse. It certainly becomes more challeging to stop a multi dimensional offensive team but as a coach, your job is to figure it out and make adjustments.
It sounds like a considerable amoount of focus at Tiger practices this week was getting the offense more productive.
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JadwinGeorge
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02-08-19 06:09 PM - Post#275516
In response to bradley
Cannady playing tonight!!!!!!
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Tiger69
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02-08-19 07:27 PM - Post#275526
In response to JadwinGeorge
Good news for us AND for a pair of Penn fans who felt unfairly treated because of the possibility that other Ivies who have the advantage of playing Princeton without Cannady. I trust they will rest easier because of his early return😈ðŸ…
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bradley
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02-08-19 07:52 PM - Post#275531
In response to Tiger69
Apparently, Llewellyn will also be playing.
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lewlev1203
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02-08-19 08:34 PM - Post#275541
In response to bradley
Hello, I'm an admitted student watching my first game as a fan. Can someone give me a quick rundown on the squad?
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westcoast
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Yale
02-08-19 08:58 PM - Post#275555
In response to lewlev1203
You just saw one of our worst halves of the season. The team has been playing great team defense with passable offense for most of the year. Aririguzoh has been a very consistent inside scorer, and Cannady has been a great 3-pt shooter. Llewellyn is the best ballhandler and driver. Stephens is an athletic wing who is the best defender and a solid inside-outside scorer. The forwards, Much and DesRosiers have been inconsistent scorers but solid rebounders. Morales is quick and gets some steals. Schwieger is a good offensive player but only so-so on defense.
The team has mainly been playing 7-8 players, but many of the bench players could be brought in for specific skills, like Friberg for threes or Barnes/Johns for defense.
Edited by westcoast on 02-08-19 09:03 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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lewlev1203
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Re: Yale
02-08-19 09:16 PM - Post#275562
In response to westcoast
Yeah I figured that was a pretty brutal half for a 12-5 team lol. Guess I brought bad luck.
Thanks though, that was really helpful. Let's hope they complete this comeback.
Edited by lewlev1203 on 02-08-19 09:16 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Vonsid
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02-08-19 09:44 PM - Post#275576
In response to lewlev1203
I can't stand Morales. Sorry to say that.
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gokinsmen
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Yale
02-08-19 09:48 PM - Post#275580
In response to Vonsid
Not even mad about the loss. It all came down to rusty Cannady going 0-6 with 0pts in the first half while Oni had an insane career game where even a blocked shot went in.
Just great to have Devin back and the team we saw in the 2nd half looked great to me. Simply ran out of gas after that ugly first half where Cannady couldn't hit anything.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: Yale
02-08-19 10:14 PM - Post#275589
In response to gokinsmen
Agreed.
I hope we play them three times, and win the third game.
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bradley
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Re: Yale
02-08-19 10:32 PM - Post#275596
In response to gokinsmen
Yale played better and deserved to win. They have a lot of talent.
Although the loss is a road loss, every game counts in the IL and it was a very disappointing 1st half performance.
Need to forget about it for now and bounce back asap. The regular season championship is still out there for a number of teams.
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bradley
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Re: Yale
02-09-19 12:01 AM - Post#275619
In response to gokinsmen
Looked at the replay to see what happened during the first half and when Yale went on a second run after the Tigers tied the score with 11 minutes to go after being down 14 at half time.
It is certainly true that Devin was rusty and passive in the 1st half but there were other factors as well -- Schrieger and Morales. Tigers were fine during the 1st 8 minutes of 1st half by going to Arirguzoh who overpowed Yale bigs. Not sure why Coach went away from that approach. Richmond only played 27 minutes and had a knee brace.
Llewellyn had a very nice game along with Richmond. Stephens obviously had trouble with Oni. Copeland and Oni were tough to handle but there is a way to play defense against Yale and it will be interesting to watch the rematch at Jadwin.
Myles and Devin need to step up and make a statement tomorrow night. I wholeheartedely agree that it was good to see Devin on the floor.
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SRP
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02-09-19 01:21 AM - Post#275627
In response to bradley
I thought Stephens did pretty well when he was actually in guarding position on Oni. A lot of Oni's buckets came on switches after screens. And some were just ridiculous (ball gets knocked out of his hand and goes in). But Oni had it going and could only have been stopped with all-out ball denial, which would have opened things up too much for the other Yale scorers. Once again, Copeland proved to be too much for any Princeton defender with his arsenal of high-degree-of-difficulty spins and shots.
But the defense wasn't that bad given Yale's talent and how hot they were. As seen non-conference (though not in the first four league games), when the Tigers applied ball pressure, got in the passing lanes, and sped up the opponent, they looked good, but when they sat back and just tried to maintain position they were very inconsistent.
The offense was really uninspiring most of the time. After the run in the second half to cut the lead from 14 to 2, there were multiple possessions where Princeton either turned it over or got off bad shots. Combined with poor shooting percentages even on good shots (and they had many of these throughout the game, especially in the second half), there was no way the Tigers could have kept up with the Elis tonight.
Going inside to RA was good, but the big run to come back occurred mostly with him on the bench as the smaller, quicker lineup forced turnovers. DC3, Llewellyn, Schweiger, Stephens, and Much shot poorly and didn't get to the FT line very much. At some point, this team was eventually going to have to hit layups and open threes to win games, and tonight was that night. Didn't happen.
The good news is that except for Gladson, all the pieces are in place again, Llewelyn looked a lot better in the second half, Stephens probably won't get messed up by foul trouble too many more times, RA is still rolling, Morales has to look better than he did tonight, and DC3 will probably find his outside stroke sooner rather than later.
This next game is huge.
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1LotteryPick1969
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02-09-19 08:11 AM - Post#275632
In response to SRP
Yes. The Brown game at Princeton last year is when the 3-1 record turned the other direction.
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bradley
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02-09-19 09:16 AM - Post#275637
In response to SRP
With the improvement in Schweiger's play, not so much last night, Coach is going to have to figure out the best combinations but you are right that he has options. There is talent on this team other than just the two seniors.
Yale is very good but after watching last night's game as well as parts of the games at Cambridge and Providence, any team can win or lose on a given night. The concept of playing IvyMadness at Yale certainly gives the Bulldogs a competitive advantage but why not -- after all it is IvyMadness.
Going to be a very challenging, great regular season and who knows for sure as to the winner although the champ will be bloodied along the way.
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