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Username Post: Dartmouth        (Topic#22656)
Eric Von Zipper 
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02-16-19 12:34 PM - Post#276711    

Opens Princeton -6

 
bradley 
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02-16-19 08:04 PM - Post#276769    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

Much,Barnes, gladsin street clothes.

 
bradley 
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02-16-19 08:11 PM - Post#276782    
    In response to bradley

Much might be ok?

 
bradley 
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02-16-19 08:14 PM - Post#276787    
    In response to bradley

Stupid clock. Ted Mack amateur hour. Embarrassing

 
Vonsid 
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02-16-19 08:57 PM - Post#276818    
    In response to bradley

I am here at the game. It took them 15 minutes before it dawned on them they should even start wheeling the back up out.

 
TigerFan 
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02-16-19 08:59 PM - Post#276822    
    In response to bradley

Tigers shooting 18% from deep vs. 40% from the Green but up by 5. How long can this woeful 3-pt. shooting continue?

 
TigerFan 
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02-16-19 09:14 PM - Post#276836    
    In response to TigerFan

Tigers look sloppy on both ends to start the second half eight quick points for D and they are up 3. Ugghh

 
TigerFan 
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02-16-19 09:17 PM - Post#276842    
    In response to TigerFan

Dartmouth is playing pretty basketball. Tigers are not.

 
gokinsmen 
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02-16-19 09:20 PM - Post#276847    
    In response to TigerFan

They need to win this game or a full-on season collapse is on the way -- as we've seen from MH teams before.

 
bradley 
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02-16-19 09:23 PM - Post#276851    
    In response to TigerFan

Best players on the court. Arirguzoh and Barry. Richmond is really impressive. He can dominate but Tigers only have 3 guys who can consistently play. You need 5 players. Going to be 4-4 and sliding down.

 
gokinsmen 
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02-16-19 09:23 PM - Post#276852    
    In response to gokinsmen

We're are getting embarrassed from 3.

Harvard and Dartmouth sinking wide-open shots like it's nothing. This is target practice for them. Meanwhile, our guys can't hit the broad side of a barn.

No closeouts on defense, no confidence on offense. Our guys lack urgency.


 
TigerFan 
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Dartmouth
02-16-19 09:24 PM - Post#276854    
    In response to TigerFan

I don’t care who Mitch recruits, if he can’t get his players to cut hard, pass the ball, take good shots and play disciplined defense they will be embarrassed by teams that do those things more often than not. Canady just tried an insane move, tossed it up against the bottom of the rim, Dartmouth passed it around beautifully Nd hit a wide open three. Down 5 with 13 to play. Very discouraging.

Edited by TigerFan on 02-16-19 09:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
gokinsmen 
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Dartmouth
02-16-19 09:32 PM - Post#276866    
    In response to TigerFan

We need to get it to Aririguzoh as much as possible -- slows down the game, gets the other team in foul trouble, and he's our only efficient scorer right now.

 
gokinsmen 
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Dartmouth
02-16-19 10:02 PM - Post#276909    
    In response to gokinsmen

DISASTER AVERTED.........just barely. Thank God.

Aririguzoh was our MVP (as usual), but Max Johns and Llewellyn saved our bacon when Dartmouth was cruising. Johns had the spark on defense with a pair of momentum-shifting steals and Jaelin had the spark on offense with some tough buckets in traffic.

The season was saved tonight. I'm still concerned about Cannady's horrific 3pt slump. I don't know what's wrong -- he's missing open looks and can't hit any tough ones (his specialty). Other teams' stars are shining bright in Ivy play -- Oni, Aiken, Barry. We need Devin to play like Devin again.

 
TigerFan 
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02-16-19 10:14 PM - Post#276913    
    In response to gokinsmen

Phew. That was too close. The league is just nuts this year. Tigers could have been even with Penn after tonight as the Quakers were cruising over Harvard late while Dartmouth was seemingly in charge in Jadwin. Instead Tigers are tied for third with Cornell and two games up over Penn. Loved Max Johns defense and JL got some big shots to drop tonight.

 
Tiger81 
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02-16-19 10:30 PM - Post#276923    
    In response to gokinsmen

Remember when we said after the Penn games that there was no way Princeton would continue to shoot so horribly from 3PT range?

4-18 tonight, 8-24 vs. H, 4-22 vs. Y, 6-22 vs. B. I think this has as much to do with offensive flow than poor marksmanship.

Most possessions seem to end in unassisted drives to the rim and not shots produced through ball movement. Teams like Dartmouth and Penn now play better team basketball than the Tigers.

Thanks to tough defense, in particular by Stephens, Johns and Aririguzoh and the late offensive heroics of Aririguzoh and Llewelyn Princeton was able to gut out a win tonight. Always happy to see the good guys win and I love the players on this year’s team, but at this point in the season they don’t seem like they are a title contender.

 
bradley 
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02-16-19 11:55 PM - Post#276943    
    In response to Tiger81

I concur that it is very unlikely that the Tigers can tie or win the IL crown as they are just not good enough especially as to shooting and particularly 3 pt shooting.

The Tiger were very fortunate to win this evening as Dartmouth is a much improved team and Barry had a fabulous shooting performance until right at the end of the game thanks to Myles. Llewellyn did his best to guard Barry but it was not good enough althouth partially credit Barry.

The biggest walkaway for me is that Richmond has now played and outplayed every IL center. Tape followed by Brodeur gave him the biggest challenge although Richmond has outplayed everyone and this weekend were classic examples against Lewis and Knight.I thought that Knight would be very tough on Richmond offensively but Richmond dominated him especially when Arirguzoh was on offense. Without him, the Tigers would be probably 2-6 vs. 5-3.

I have some difficulty understanding why they do not even go to him more.

 
gokinsmen 
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Dartmouth
02-17-19 01:11 AM - Post#276952    
    In response to bradley

1) The team doesn't need to shoot well from 3...but Cannady does. If he were playing like himself these past two weeks, we'd probably be 7-1. Sometimes your star just needs to play like one. Oni, Aiken and Barry hit tough shots that we're used to seeing Devin hit.

2) Omitting non-D1 games, this team is 9-0 when allowing less than 70 pts and 2-8 when allowing more than 70 pts. That's pretty striking, but it's not just about "defense." It's about slowing down the pace of the game. And one way to do that is to get the ball to Aririguzoh more...

3) Getting the ball to Aririguzoh has been a challenge at times, and teams have forced some TOs with double-teams. But we can't let that change the game plan. I think our guys overreact to a few good defensive stands on RA, forgetting that he's still our best option right now. No team in the league has any answer for him.

We just need to be more creative in our entry feeds. MH called a great play out of a timeout to get RA the ball in the low post. A lot of movement, a lot of clock used up, but it worked -- he got the ball cleanly in the low post. He didn't make the shot, but it's exactly the sort of play we need more of.

 
SRP 
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02-17-19 02:16 AM - Post#276953    
    In response to gokinsmen

Managed to avoid the news all day and just watched the replay, so my blood is still pounding. That was a tense and exciting game.

Aririguzoh has been the best center in the Ivies on both ends. Those post moves, and rebounds, and defensive stands, and foul shots, and blocks! Very impressive. Oh, and I forgot a couple of beautiful passes he made, as well.

Cannady found a way to be great without his outside shooting touch tonight. That was one heck of an all-around performance. What useful ball movement the Tigers had was largely due to his passing, he drove effectively and actually finished (despite that one bonehead spin into traffic), and he was a demon in the passing lanes and sneaking up for steals. Now if he could only remember that he's a deadly three-point shooter....

Stephens seemed more connected offensively to his teammates this game, his shot attempts were pretty much all good ones, and he had few turnovers. And the way he D'd up Barry on those last few possessions was terrific.

Llewelyn looked better again, especially in the early and late parts of the game, although he had no defensive answers for Barry. Morales looked good again, making nifty passes and creating loose balls. Desrosiers made a few good plays offensively. Johns is becoming a favorite for his ferocious defense and poise.

For most of Dartmouth's possessions Princeton played close on the perimeter to take away the three, and offered little or no help on ball screens. That led to a ton of penetration and the Big Green showed good finishing ability. Then when the Tigers grew wary of the drives and yielded some space, Barry & co. nailed three-point shots, going 6-12 from beyond the arc. )Dartmouth made 6 treys, 21 twos, and 8 FTs, while Princeton made 4 treys, 24 twos, and 9 FTs.)

I must have been watching a different game because it seemed to me that the Tigers had better ball movement and passing in this game than in the last few. Still not up to the good old days, but a few more quick-pass sequences, better drive and kicks, less of the ball being stuck on one side. And both sides had eight assists, so it isn't like there was some great discrepancy on that dimension. Mainly, the Tigers couldn't hit treys to save their lives--4/18 is not going to cut it. But Stephens's 1 for 5 evening doesn't mean he should stop shooting threes--the outside threat gives him room to drive (the opponents are still afraid to back off), and he was 6-9 from two.

 
bradley 
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02-17-19 09:46 AM - Post#276961    
    In response to SRP

Comments are accurate although I have a different conclusion. Tigers are playing Dartmouth at home with Arirguzoh shutting down Knight who dominated Penn and other IL teams during the season. It is true that Barry was hot and playing great attested by his family and friends in the stands and Foye was very good going to the basket but the Tigers play reasonably well and still only win by one point.

Why? Many reasons but 3 pt shooting is the main culprit. Stephens had wide open 3s' several times in the game that would have created separation but he missed and it was not only Myles. There was, as you point out, sufficient ball movement to get open looks but this team is NOT a good 3 pt shooting team like Tiger teams of the past. Until that changes, probably unlikely, nothing really changes. Devin played well but he and some others need to hit shots.

Finally -- DesRosiers, Much and Schwiegger do not provide enough assistance to the big 3 on a consistent basis. Much was brutal on defense. The only other hope is that somewhow Llewellyn raises his game to another whole level. He was very big over the last 8 minutes and Mitch kept him on the floor with 4 fouls with 4 minutes to go.

The great story on this team is Richmond Arirguzoh. Think of what this team would look like if Gladson was the starting center. Another so called 2 star center who may have the most talent in the IL for the Bigs. He will probably not even be on the all Ivy team although no one has played better than Richmond heads up.

 
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