Quakers03
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02-16-19 10:15 PM - Post#276914
We win this game. It’s that simple. I know I’ve been beating this drum for 3 years but on a night where AJ actually makes free throws of course the game is lost by him forcing a lefty layup up with his right hand. I just can’t. He had a weekend for the ages too...
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Chip Bayers
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02-16-19 10:20 PM - Post#276918
In response to Quakers03
I thought he did use his left on that shot?
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Stuart Suss
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02-16-19 10:20 PM - Post#276919
In response to Quakers03
Except he did attempt, and miss, the layup with his left hand, which would have put Penn up by 5 with 35 seconds remaining.
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Quakers03
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02-16-19 10:21 PM - Post#276920
In response to Chip Bayers
Im almost positive he shot it with his right. If I’m wrong so be it, but that was a dead easy layup. Season on the line. You MUST finish it.
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SteveChop
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02-16-19 10:53 PM - Post#276928
In response to Quakers03
I agree with Stu and Chip - he definitely used his left hand. It just didn't go in.
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section110
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02-16-19 11:06 PM - Post#276929
In response to SteveChop
And he made three left handed layups against Dartmouth. So he has worked on that & improved.
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Quakers03
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02-16-19 11:19 PM - Post#276930
In response to section110
Then I’m wrong. I’m certainly not going back to watch it. I trust you guys. If he comes into next year confident in that shot he will be unstoppable. I’ve given up hope of a Zoller-like 3 jump but I’ll take the rest. The problem is we also need a finisher who can do more than make a 2 in around the hoop with the game on the line. You see what a difference a star like Aiken can make. This is where they REALLY miss Ryan. Sigh. This one really stings.
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Chip Bayers
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If he uses his left
02-16-19 11:22 PM - Post#276933
In response to Quakers03
I’m going back to an earlier comment: they’re missing Foreman even more than Ryan. Maybe Ryan would have been that guy, but “make a shot when the possession is collapsing†is just not there.
Whereas Harvard had Aiken doing that at the end of regulation.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 02-16-19 11:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Quakers03
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02-16-19 11:25 PM - Post#276935
In response to Chip Bayers
Some thought Antonio might be able to turn into that but it’s tough to make that complaint when Dev scores the way he did tonight. Usually I’d agree, but not tonight. Dev was driving and scoring all game but I will give you that with the shot clock winding down it was not usually in his hands.
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Chip Bayers
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02-16-19 11:29 PM - Post#276937
In response to Quakers03
If Dev were doing that more then once every 4-5 games, sure.
I think he has the talent to get there, ideally of course there’s enough team talent that you don’t need one guy to bail you out in critical possession situations.
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Quakers03
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02-16-19 11:35 PM - Post#276938
In response to Chip Bayers
As Aiken continues to pull wins out of his hat...We haven’t had that since Zack.
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mobrien
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02-21-19 03:34 AM - Post#277350
In response to Quakers03
Harvard fan here. Granted that I've mostly seen Brodeur when he's been playing against us, but it's legitimately confusing to me that teams haven't done a better job forcing him left. It's a huge hole in his game that's pretty obvious if you just watch him for a few minutes.
It's infuriating as a fan of the other team, because you know what he's going to do 90% of the time, and yet teams still let him do it: dribble towards his left and then spin back to finish with his right. Every. Single. Time. Teams should sit on that spin more and force him to show that he can consistently finish with his left. Even better, send a double team into his spin, and make him try to pass it from an awkward angle.
It's also strange that a big guy as skilled as he is hasn't done more to address this weakness for three years now.
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PennFan10
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02-21-19 05:24 AM - Post#277351
In response to mobrien
The problem with that analysis is hat he does go to his left in every game. In fact he drives left more than he does right. It’s just that he finishes with his right hand almost exclusively even when going left. You can definitely sit on his right and doubling him from that right side is a good idea (Dartmouth did thatvtonforce OT) but it’s tough to overplay him as he will go left, just not with his left.
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10Q
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02-21-19 08:11 AM - Post#277354
In response to PennFan10
He needs to learn to finish with his left and shoot fouls so that his senior season is stellar.
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TheLine
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02-21-19 07:01 PM - Post#277428
In response to 10Q
I'm with Chip - the bigger issue is that no one is doing what Foreman did down the stretch last year.
The criticism directed at AJ is misguided. We're nowhere without him. He is by far the best player on the team, maybe in the league. He works his butt off on the court, doesn't take plays off ever. Yet y'all want him to be perfect when imperfection is all around him. I'd love it if AJ was perfect too but I'd also love to see others step up.
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PennFan10
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02-21-19 07:39 PM - Post#277429
In response to TheLine
Pretty sure the initial criticism toward AJ was from a Harvard fan. And he’s right. So are you. It’s not either/or. Those things can both be true.
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SomeGuy
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02-21-19 08:21 PM - Post#277434
In response to mobrien
Maybe I’m missing the nuance here, but I actually would want to force him to spin. If you make him (or let him) go left, too much of the time he ends up sealing off the defender. Yes, he might get blocked a little less if he used his left hand instead of his right. But when he is taking that shot, with either hand, the defender is in trouble. You want him to spin right and make the tougher shot. If you are Aririgozuh, you might even force him just another foot or two from the basket and make it harder.
The single teaming is interesting. Penn does it too. Everyone is defending the 3 and letting the bigs go one on one. That leads to a lot of points for AJ, but keeps Penn from having the hot shooting days we saw OOC that led to some games where we would hit on all cylinders offensively.
At least that’s what I think I see.
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02-22-19 11:09 AM - Post#277478
In response to SomeGuy
Good point about playing the bigs straight up vs. double teaming. What I've noticed is that our opponents are more inclined to double AJ in the post later in games, when it's pretty clear we're not shooting well from long range. They figure they'll live with three point attempts once it's been established that our better shooters are cold, then try to take away the post game, which they know we rely on.
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02-22-19 03:58 PM - Post#277511
In response to weinhauers_ghost
It's not AJ----it's the missing wide open 3s. We get the shots, but just haven't been hitting them at the same rate during the Ivy season. Sure, sometimes we throw up a force, but not often. We need better shooters---obviously, Betley would have made a huge difference.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-22-19 04:07 PM - Post#277513
In response to palestra38
You've confirmed my hypothesis regarding defenses sagging into the post when we can't make shots from the perimeter.
It'll be interesting to see what Columbia tries to do defensively tonight.
It will also be interesting to see if we have a better defense against that high pick and roll they continually ran against us in New York.
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