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Username Post: For anyone wondering why Michael Wang didn't play vs. Dartmouth        (Topic#22664)
DCAJedi 
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02-16-19 11:36 PM - Post#276939    

It was a topic of conversation Friday night, and Steve Donahue said a few things about it Saturday night:

https://twitter.com/jtannenwald/status/10 969749622...
"Here will be an old abusing of God's patience, and the king's English."


Edited by DCAJedi on 02-16-19 11:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
UPIA1968 
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Re: For anyone wondering why Michael Wang didn't play vs. Dartmouth
02-17-19 09:21 PM - Post#277017    
    In response to DCAJedi

Most of what Steve said here applied to AJ two years ago. He started and played most of every game. Before Christmas, we assumed that Mike was a no-doubter. Not so, as it was a no-doubter with AJ. I remain optimistic, but the jury will remain out until next year.

 
Chip Bayers 
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02-18-19 02:05 AM - Post#277023    
    In response to UPIA1968

Oh for #%$@ sake.


 
13otto 
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Re: For anyone wondering why Michael Wang didn't play vs. Dartmouth
02-18-19 05:56 PM - Post#277102    
    In response to DCAJedi

  • DCAJedi Said:
It was a topic of conversation Friday night, and Steve Donahue said a few things about it Saturday night:

https://twitter.com/jtannenwald/status/10 969749622...


Sorry, but I'm still skeptical. Now, if we're still in the hunt when we visit Dartmouth in 12 days, and Michael Wang sits that one out (or plays very sparingly), I might believe it.
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Silver Maple 
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For anyone wondering why Michael Wang didn't play vs. Dartmouth
02-18-19 06:04 PM - Post#277104    
    In response to 13otto

It's very common for freshmen who have played a lot of minutes to wear down as the season progresses. College teams play more games than HS, and the games are more taxing due to the pace and physicality. Also, they're in a new place, and dealing with higher academic expectations than they did in HS. I'm not the least bit surprised that Wang seems to have hit the wall.

If the team had more depth this wouldn't be as much of an issue. The complete lack of production from this year's sophomores continues to be a problem.

 
PennFan10 
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Re: For anyone wondering why Michael Wang didn't play vs. Dartmouth
02-18-19 07:06 PM - Post#277112    
    In response to 13otto

Skeptical about what? I don’t understand.

 
13otto 
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Re: For anyone wondering why Michael Wang didn't play vs. Dartmouth
02-18-19 10:57 PM - Post#277123    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
Skeptical about what? I don’t understand.


Skeptical that Wang was benched simply because SD “just felt in particular on the defensive end given Dartmouth’s spacing and three point shooting, I had no one that he could match up with, and on the offensive end, he just wasn’t a big enough advantage."
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PennFan10 
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Re: For anyone wondering why Michael Wang didn't play vs. Dartmouth
02-19-19 02:26 AM - Post#277125    
    In response to 13otto

So SD was lying and just made that up? That hasn’t been his MO.

Who would you have had him guard vs Dartmouth? Chris Knight? A guard? He got dunked on twice @Yale in a half court set and in the first two back to backs played about as bad on Saturday as you can play.

That quote along with the separate corroboration that was posted almost a week later are very consistent with SD’s actions. Wang looked fine against Harvard to me.

We need Mike to play 20-30 minutes and score 12+ pts a night. He doesn’t appear to be mentally ready to do that according to his coach.

 
13otto 
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02-19-19 11:25 AM - Post#277140    
    In response to PennFan10

As I alluded to in my prior post, I'll reserve judgment until after the March 2nd return meeting in Hanover.
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PennFan10 
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02-19-19 12:59 PM - Post#277149    
    In response to 13otto

That’s a different game with different facts. Some of the same issues but these things are dynamic not static. For you, the questions I posed are the same. Who you gonna have him guard on Dartmouth?

 
palestra38 
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02-19-19 01:15 PM - Post#277156    
    In response to PennFan10

You could (gasp!) play a zone. And who is going to guard him?

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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02-19-19 02:12 PM - Post#277160    
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  • palestra38 Said:
You could (gasp!) play a zone. And who is going to guard him?



That was precisely the point I made in the game thread. Play the kid, and force the opposition to make an adjustment to try to defend against him.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-19-19 02:25 PM - Post#277163    
    In response to PennFan10

It will be very different, particularly if Jackson is back. If Dartmouth is playing two bigs, the spacing/matchups will be totally different.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-19-19 02:39 PM - Post#277168    
    In response to palestra38

You can’t play zone against Dartmouth for the same spacing/shooting reasons.

That said, can Wang really not cover Aaryn Rai? And if he can’t, is it by so much that he can’t be out there for even a minute? Seems extreme.

That said, it almost worked. We got the Dartmouth win and a better matchup for a rested Wang the next night. I thought we played very well in the second half of the Harvard game, and they just hit a bunch of shots that ranged from super tough to totally lucky in the final 70 seconds and OT.


 
13otto 
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02-19-19 06:20 PM - Post#277207    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
That’s a different game with different facts. Some of the same issues but these things are dynamic not static. For you, the questions I posed are the same. Who you gonna have him guard on Dartmouth?


And for you, my answer still will come after the game on the 2nd, as I suspect that SD will answer the question for me. But if Steve uses the same strategy, then I'll retract my statement and issue my humble public apology.
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SomeGuy 
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02-19-19 08:02 PM - Post#277221    
    In response to 13otto

This is the point of my post — Dartmouth is likely to play two bigs next time, which will potentially change the matchup entirely.

 
AsiaSunset 
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02-19-19 09:10 PM - Post#277241    
    In response to SomeGuy

While we did play small most of the time against Dartmouth, AJ and Max were on the court together a bit. Still can’t understand the Michael Wang sit down, especially since it wasn’t Max’ best game on either offense or defense.

Plus - that smallish Dartmouth team seemed to be getting an awful lot of offensive rebounds. The 2nd go around will be interesting to say the least.

 
weinhauers_ghost 
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02-19-19 11:00 PM - Post#277263    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Nine of Dartmouth's 27 total rebounds were on the offensive end. It only feels as if they got more.

 
PennFan10 
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02-19-19 11:57 PM - Post#277265    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

The only other reason SD would sit Wang inexplicably would be to send him a message. His comments were strong and I’m sure it got to Mike. I agree it was weird he didn’t play at all vs Dartmouth. I suspect it was a combination of bad matchups and a message being sent. That is something SD has done in the past.

I know the biggest difference in Dev Goodman going from role player (and long stretches of DNP-Coaches Decision) and his emergence this year as a 30+ guy is his defense. He always has had the offensive burst and game but his commitment to defense in his first two years was lacking. This year he has become an elite on ball defender and he is on the floor for 30+ minutes. I am pretty sure if Mike worked harder on the defensive end he would be on the floor more often.

 
SomeGuy 
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02-20-19 12:43 AM - Post#277267    
    In response to AsiaSunset

True, and Dartmouth seemed to be reacting to our lineups. So Rai was in when Max was, and then when we played 4 guards they did as well. So I presume that Rai would have stayed in to guard Wang. It’s not like we’d have Wang guarding Sistare or something.

 
AsiaSunset 
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02-20-19 08:07 AM - Post#277273    
    In response to weinhauers_ghost

It’s true they had only 9 but that was 50% of their defensive total.

Admittedly we did shoot a very high % that night so Dartmouth’s rebounding stats were affected. Nevertheless they converted on multiple second chance opportunities

 
13otto 
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02-22-19 04:57 PM - Post#277523    
    In response to PennFan10

  • PennFan10 Said:
The only other reason SD would sit Wang inexplicably would be to send him a message. His comments were strong and I’m sure it got to Mike. I agree it was weird he didn’t play at all vs Dartmouth.


My thoughts exactly. I'm not buying the matchup issue but, again, I won't jump to that conclusion until after next weekend's game in Hanover.
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palestra38 
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02-22-19 04:59 PM - Post#277524    
    In response to 13otto

That's what I thought---sending a message.

 
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