weinhauers_ghost
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02-22-19 11:06 PM - Post#277627
In response to OldBig5
We're done, sad to say.
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Old Bear
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Posts: 4000
Reg: 11-23-04
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02-22-19 11:06 PM - Post#277628
In response to OldBig5
How can Penn not zone in the inbound play?
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Chip Bayers
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Loc: New York
Reg: 11-21-04
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02-22-19 11:08 PM - Post#277629
In response to OldBig5
In OT crunch time, Woods with a mental error and Goodman with a weak drive pretty much sum up this team’s problems.
A.J. having a very poor game when doubleteamed for the most part didn’t help either.
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Quakers03
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02-22-19 11:45 PM - Post#277642
In response to Chip Bayers
I don’t even know where to start on that last minute. All of a sudden after playing great d they decide to chase shooters?? Of course that goofy dude hits another wide open 3. Then the turnover comes at the worst possible time but there were still only 2.5 separating the clocks. The decision was to fire up a prayer drive with 8 to go?! That’s the best the coach can come up with? Really? Sort of like AJ forcing a 3 at the end of regulation. This is really the best he could come up with?! I know I get on Tommy for end of game scenarios but Steve has not shown to be much better. To lose on an inbounds play is as bad as it gets.
I guess were just done with the freshman after they carried us? A shame that Ray’s great game is now a lost memory.
Hope everyone got their Big 5 champs shirt...
How am I going to sell these tourney tickets. Maybe there will be resale value? Man this hurts.
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Penn7277
PhD Student
Posts: 1365
Loc: Lancaster, PA
Reg: 11-21-04
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02-22-19 11:56 PM - Post#277644
In response to Quakers03
This has turned into a very disappointing season.
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palestra38
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02-22-19 11:56 PM - Post#277645
In response to Quakers03
You know, after the Harvard game, when I had my heart ripped out, this was just the eagle pecking at my liver, like Prometheus. I will be regenerated tonight, just so it can happen again tomorrow. It is my fate.
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Tiger69
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Reg: 11-23-04
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02-23-19 12:36 AM - Post#277648
In response to palestra38
You are now experiencing the same frustration and disappointment that some of us Tiger fans felt about this time last year.
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OldBig5
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02-23-19 08:55 AM - Post#277653
In response to palestra38
You know, after the Harvard game, when I had my heart ripped out, this was just the eagle pecking at my liver, like Prometheus. I will be regenerated tonight, just so it can happen again tomorrow. It is my fate.
Since I am not a Penn grad I don't live and die with the games like some of you. But I can feel your anguish. Makes no sense that the team can sweep the city series and be 3-6 in the Ivy.
I know some are blaming the coach and he shares. But the players seem unable to make clutch plays.
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rbg
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02-23-19 10:06 AM - Post#277657
In response to OldBig5
Between the coaches or the players, I would put more if the problems on the players. There have been more than enough times since the Monmouth game where just one more basket, free throw or defensive stop would have switched a L to a W.
With that said, sometimes it’s just not your year. These guys dealt with adversity and played over their collective heads in Nov & Dec, but the reality may have just caught up to them in league play. Princeton certainly experienced this last year.
I guess an interesting thing is that Yale and Harvard have dealt with problems to their lineups and/or greater reliance on players they didn’t expect when seasons started and both have found ways to stay in the top half of the league. That is something for Penn and the other 5 teams to strive for over the next few years.
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Streamers
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02-23-19 10:24 AM - Post#277658
In response to rbg
I’m bring a fork with me to the game tonight.
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Mike Porter
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Columbia
02-23-19 10:50 AM - Post#277662
In response to Streamers
Still traveling abroad so wasn’t able to watch live (just followed on ESPN Gamecast).
No need to state the obvious of the disastrous outcome though it leads to bigger questions. On the smaller scale of this game, can someone explain to me why Mike Wang and Bryce Washington played so little?
In the stats it doesn’t look like Bryce did anything too bad besides miss his first couple 3s and got 7 mins. Was that a move to save him more for tonight or just a case of Coach Donahue not liking what he saw?
On Mike Wang his numbers seem even better scoring 5 points in 10 mins?
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-23-19 10:50 AM - Post#277663
In response to Streamers
The fork was delivered last night.
I just don't see how we succeed when Washington can't make a shot from the floor and we don't get a significant contribution from Wang.
As far as the bench goes, Silpe played his guts out last night and Ray Jerome had the game of his career, but other than Wang's five points we got nothing at all from any reserve player who isn't a guard. None of those guys played a single minute.
I don't see how we win playing small. We got outrebounded again (36-33), gave up 7 offensive boards (though we did collect 8 on our end), and I'd love to see the +/- for last night's game.
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Mike Porter
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02-23-19 10:55 AM - Post#277664
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Agree. But when Bryce and Mike play 7 mins and 10 mins out of 45, pretty hard to score a lot of points...
Having not seen the game, that’s why I was asking above also why that was the case?
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-23-19 11:03 AM - Post#277665
In response to Mike Porter
Having watched the game, all I can point to is SD going with the guys he thought were playing well. He rotated AJ and Max as the bigs, which is most likely why Wang didn't play much (if at all) in the second half, and Jerome got the minutes Washington would have played.
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Penn7277
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02-23-19 11:09 AM - Post#277666
In response to Mike Porter
The other problem seems to me to be the strategy - take layups or threes. Last night, AJ could not get it going and the threes weren't falling. The threes often do not fall with this team. There really doesn't seem to be a three-point shooter that you can depend on every night. There ought to be a third option like taking some mid-range twos. The Quakers have been beaten by teams that do that, including Stefanini last night.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-23-19 11:37 AM - Post#277669
In response to Penn7277
The other problem seems to me to be the strategy - take layups or threes. Last night, AJ could not get it going and the threes weren't falling. The threes often do not fall with this team. There really doesn't seem to be a three-point shooter that you can depend on every night. There ought to be a third option like taking some mid-range twos. The Quakers have been beaten by teams that do that, including Stefanini last night.
Very good point. When the three point shots aren't falling, that allows defenses to pack the lane, which eliminates the back cuts we use to get other players those open lanes to the basket. End result is sputtering offense.
P38, I'm with you on the Prometheus reference. My liver is almost finished regenerating, and I can hear the fluttering of eagle wings already.
New day. New liver. New eagle.
Same old same old.
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Quakers03
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02-23-19 11:48 AM - Post#277671
In response to weinhauers_ghost
No question we don’t have the bullets but when you start accumulating OT losses your end game scenarios need to be looked at. Last night was so bad. Betley looked good stroking threes in his jeans last night...
Remember when we played our best ball 3 months ago? Seems the frosh were pretty integral. A lot has changed.
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palestra38
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02-23-19 12:16 PM - Post#277672
In response to weinhauers_ghost
I think some Harvard fans might maintain that the Prometheus penalty is a result of getting the home court advantage last season in the playoff.
Getting ready for some last gasp liver eating tonight....because, no matter how horrible this season has been, we almost certainly STILL get the 4th spot if we win out. So it will take a little more punishment before blessed relief.
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Penn7277
PhD Student
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Loc: Lancaster, PA
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02-23-19 12:26 PM - Post#277673
In response to Quakers03
It also occurs to me that if the opposition knows that Penn only takes threes or layups, they may not be looking for mid-range twos.
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Streamers
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02-23-19 12:41 PM - Post#277675
In response to weinhauers_ghost
The fork was delivered last night.
As P38 points out, we are not quite done yet.
I'm still a little groggy from the 15 year old sleep-aid I needed after that disaster of a game and the nasty drive home courtesy of the hated Flyers.
As for Bryce, after starting a proving he has also hit the wall, SD went with Jerome who clearly was playing and shooting better. Wang, for this part, was OK offensively, but a liability on a defense that was awful in stretches last night. SD clearly does not trust him in crunch time unless it's time to get him fouled. Beyond that, Silpe proved again that he is an improvement over Wang off the defensive boards. Part of the 4- guard thinking, I assume.
We can only hope Cornell in general, and Morgan in particular left what was left of their shooting eyes in Princeton.
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