Eric Von Zipper
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03-02-19 02:56 PM - Post#278865
Opens Cantabs -7 O/U 134
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TigerFan
PhD Student
Posts: 1885
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-02-19 06:48 PM - Post#278904
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Awfully quiet here before such an important game. Win this one and the Tigers have a real shot at the title. Go Tigers!
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lewlev1203
Pre-Frosh
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Age: 23
Reg: 01-12-19
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Harvard
03-02-19 08:07 PM - Post#278926
In response to TigerFan
Win and we're in the IL tournament, right?
edit: actually we already clinched because we have the tie-breaker over Cornell, I believe.
Edited by lewlev1203 on 03-02-19 08:12 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Vonsid
Sophomore
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Reg: 03-12-16
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03-02-19 08:26 PM - Post#278948
In response to lewlev1203
Yes we are already in
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Tiger81
Masters Student
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Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-02-19 08:47 PM - Post#278968
In response to lewlev1203
22-23 at the half. Great defense and the offense does not look bad but open 3PT looks and layups are just not falling. Harvard also not doing much when they have the ball hence the anemic point total. Stephens and Aririguzoh both with two fouls. No sign of Much and Friberg now in the rotation, so 4 frosh are getting minutes tonight.
Tigers will need Llewelyn and Schweiger to help out Stephens in the second half and to hit a few more 3PT shots (3-8 in 1H).
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SRP
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03-02-19 08:49 PM - Post#278972
In response to Vonsid
Another rock fight, nice and close, which is sort of good news for this group. The bad news is a) lots of foul trouble (and some call asymmetry), b) getting clobbered on the glass, and c) not forcing enough turnovers from the butterfingered Crimson.
Stephens mostly keeping Aiken out of our misery, before he got that last foul before the half and had to sit. Schwieger's shooting is off, Llewelyn's poor (that one driving layup and-one was pure luck) but no worse than usual, Stephens knocked in a few but is hardly on fire, and there isn't much offense elsewhere with Arirguzoh sitting so long.
Kirkwood abused Johns a couple of times on drives, but on the whole the on-ball one-on-one D has been good. If it weren't for giving up all those ORs the Tigers would probably be ahead.
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Eric Von Zipper
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03-02-19 08:54 PM - Post#278978
In response to SRP
Eli trails the Light Blue by 15 late in the 1st half.
Draining 3's.
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Vonsid
Sophomore
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Reg: 03-12-16
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03-02-19 09:21 PM - Post#279005
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Man we just can't take care of the ball tonight
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SRP
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03-02-19 09:35 PM - Post#279014
In response to Vonsid
Aririguzoh catching fire, gets Lewis on the bench with four fouls and then scores a few times down. But giving up too many ORs again bites the Tigers as Catchings is able to hit a dagger three to push the Harvard lead to 8 with just over 3:00 left, no more times out.
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SRP
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03-02-19 09:47 PM - Post#279025
In response to SRP
Not going to win losing the turnover and rebounding and three-point accuracy battles, and they didn't. I really wanted to see Morales in there when they were desperate for steals at the end.
Need a miracle to win the conference title at this point, but it would still be very satisfying to beat Yale and Brown next weekend.
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gokinsmen
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Harvard
03-02-19 09:57 PM - Post#279030
In response to SRP
After clinching the tourney berth last night, we lacked focus and urgency tonight. Travel, travel, travel. Dribble off own foot. Dribble off own foot. Charge. Another travel. Meanwhile, it was Harvard's Senior Night with Kyrie in attendance -- they just played a lot harder than we did.
Even so, it was a close game. I have zero doubt they can beat Harvard in New Haven in two weeks. Just stay healthy, don't show all your cards and be ready for Ivy Madness. Tonight was just a glorified scrimmage and hopefully they can use it for game-planning.
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sparman
PhD Student
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Reg: 12-08-04
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Re: Harvard
03-02-19 10:13 PM - Post#279034
In response to gokinsmen
As things now stand, they would play Yale in the semis, and it's hard to see how that could change unless they lose out and Brown wins out, right?
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bradley
PhD Student
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Age: 74
Reg: 01-15-16
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Re: Harvard
03-02-19 10:19 PM - Post#279036
In response to gokinsmen
Result was not particularly surprising considering OT last night and the anticipated difficulty in scoring which came to fruition.
I believe that it is going to be very challenging to beat Harvard and/or Yale in IvyMadness. Would feel better if Devin was in the mix for sure.
In any event, it has been a wonderful season with considerable adversity but other teams had it as well.
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SRP
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03-02-19 11:51 PM - Post#279063
In response to bradley
This game left me oddly optimistic, as Princeton played a pretty awful offensive game, struggled with foul trouble, and uncharacteristically leaked like a sieve on the boards but still competed close up until the end (when Harvard got a couple of treys from an unlikely source). Despite losing to them twice, I wouldn't be that upset about getting another crack at them.
But we won't have to wait for the folly to get another shot at Yale. It will be interesting to see the relative motivation level of the two teams.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-03-19 09:46 AM - Post#279096
In response to SRP
Credit Harvard's perimeter D: we had precious few open looks at 3-point shots.
Our D was also very good. I watched Schwieger in particular and he showed good lateral quickness.
Aiken was the difference. His late drive and dish for an open 3 was a killer. I hope Llewellyn adds that to his skill set.
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bradley
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03-03-19 09:48 AM - Post#279098
In response to SRP
Harvard plays wonderful team defense and the first half was a battle of two teams that play the best team defense in the IL. You always have a chance to win when a team plays excellent defense and rebounds so it is true that anything can happen if there is a third match up at a neutral court. Whether there should be a 3rd match up is a very different issue.
With Devin out of the mix, Stephens is attempting to take even more on his shoulders and he must be pretty darn exhausted after these back to backs. Looking forward to see him off on Senior Night. His limitation is his ability to shoot from the outside particularly this year but he is a warrior and his contribution on the championship team pushed the Tigers over the edge.
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Bryan
Junior
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Loc: Philadelphia
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-03-19 10:22 AM - Post#279108
In response to bradley
JadwinGeorge commented that Much was injured in the first half against Dartmouth. He only played 2 minutes last night. Anyone know what the injury is and if that was the reason for the low number of minutes last night?
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westcoast
Senior
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Reg: 03-08-16
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03-03-19 01:27 PM - Post#279139
In response to Bryan
Much has been having issues with his back/hip. In the Dartmouth game, he was standing up rather than sitting on the bench, and he's been doing lots of stretching on the sidelines.
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TigerFan
PhD Student
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Reg: 11-21-04
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03-03-19 01:29 PM - Post#279140
In response to SRP
Just watched the game and like SRP am feeling oddly optimistic. Tigers’ team defense was really solid and but for a few really bad minutes at the start of the second half and some crazy end-of-game stuff, this game was even. It was great to see RA get his offense going near the end of the game in a way we haven’t seen for a while. Two very good defenses from teams that have showed they can win ugly. If the Tigers can make some shots next weekend and one of the Cs steps up at home against Harvard, they still have a shot at the title.
PS Did anyone else notice that Aiken looked away from the Princeton players on the after-game handshake line? What a jerk move.
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westcoast
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03-03-19 01:39 PM - Post#279143
In response to TigerFan
PS Did anyone else notice that Aiken looked away from the Princeton players on the after-game handshake line? What a jerk move.
Yes, that did not look good. I think he was watching Kyrie Irving, who was on the other side of the court.
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Tiger81
Masters Student
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Loc: Montclair, NJ
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-03-19 03:29 PM - Post#279161
In response to westcoast
I agree with the sense of optimism. The Tigers have the defensive intensity to play with the best teams in the league and it all comes down to their ability to make shots. They have plenty of good shooters unfortunately this season they have too often all gone cold at the same time. Losing Cannady was a big step backward but they still have many ways to score points.
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westcoast
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03-03-19 04:52 PM - Post#279174
In response to Tiger81
The challenge for Princeton is generating offense against the stronger defensive teams in the league. Schwieger has been fantastic against the three weaker defenses (Columbia - ranked #216 defensively on KP, Cornell - #200, Dartmouth - #257), but has not been a factor against the four good defensive teams. Against the first three, he uses his size to get in the paint or shoot over the smaller guards - and he has been great at making shots in those situations. But that's much harder to do against the longer, more athletic defenses of Harvard, Yale, Brown, and Penn.
Someone will have to start hitting some threes from the outside to make room for Aririguzoh and Stephens to work in the paint. That could be anyone from the group of Schwieger, DesRosiers, Much, Wright, Johns, or even Friberg. But without Cannady, someone else needs to become a three point shooter.
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bradley
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03-03-19 05:39 PM - Post#279179
In response to westcoast
I suggested prior to the game that Schwieger would have a much greater challenging facing Harvard's length which was the case although he did have some opportunities. Biggest dissapointment was the performance of Jerome and Wright -- they had several open 3 pt shots at critical times and missed. Richmond needs to ratchet up his offensive contribution as well and finally, Jerome played passively for the 1st time for the majority of the game.
I am not sure why Mitch did not send Myles deep every time Aiken was guarding him.
As to Aiken and the hand shake, no big deal but who knows what was going on in his head. Amaker is a class act and the players represent the University well with rare exceptions.
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bradley
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03-03-19 05:39 PM - Post#279180
In response to westcoast
I suggested prior to the game that Schwieger would have a much greater challenging facing Harvard's length which was the case although he did have some opportunities. Biggest dissapointment was the performance of Jerome and Wright -- they had several open 3 pt shots at critical times and missed. Richmond needs to ratchet up his offensive contribution as well and finally, Jerome played passively for the 1st time for the majority of the game.
I am not sure why Mitch did not send Myles deep every time Aiken was guarding him.
As to Aiken and the hand shake, no big deal but who knows what was going on in his head. Amaker is a class act and the players represent the University well with rare exceptions.
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whitakk
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03-03-19 11:44 PM - Post#279216
In response to westcoast
The challenge for Princeton is generating offense against the stronger defensive teams in the league. Schwieger has been fantastic against the three weaker defenses (Columbia - ranked #216 defensively on KP, Cornell - #200, Dartmouth - #257), but has not been a factor against the four good defensive teams. Against the first three, he uses his size to get in the paint or shoot over the smaller guards - and he has been great at making shots in those situations. But that's much harder to do against the longer, more athletic defenses of Harvard, Yale, Brown, and Penn.
Hard to disentangle that from the lineup changes -- at least before yesterday, the pattern was that Schwieger was great with Cannady out but didn't do much when Cannady was in the lineup (forcing him to the bench or to slide up to the 3 where he doesn't have a size advantage).
Didn't see yesterday's game but Harvard is actually small in the backcourt with Aiken and Juzang (though length everywhere else helps cover). Next week will be an interesting test.
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westcoast
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03-03-19 11:53 PM - Post#279218
In response to whitakk
Didn't see yesterday's game but Harvard is actually small in the backcourt with Aiken and Juzang (though length everywhere else helps cover). Next week will be an interesting test.
Yeah, but Aiken and Juzang are also decent defenders, and as you said, the help defenders for Harvard are very good. My guess is that Brown and Yale will also be tough matchups for Schwieger, but I hope I am wrong.
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SRP
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03-05-19 01:25 AM - Post#279414
In response to westcoast
Kirkwood is economy-sized for a guard.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-05-19 12:05 PM - Post#279434
In response to SRP
Schwieger impressed me as he not only has a quick release but he is anxious to post and back down smaller guards when he gets that mismatch. Reminded me of a less savvy Spencer Weisz who will become more dangerous with experience.
Good strategy against Aiken, Juzang and Haskett, although they are all quicker so he needed to be careful. He doesn't have the skills or strength yet to be consistently successful against Kirkwood, Bassey and Catchings. Next year Harvard adds 6'6" Chris Ledlum who appears to be a cross between Kirkwood and Bassey so Schwieger will have to pick his spots, but they will be there.
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