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Username Post: 2019 Patriot League Tournament        (Topic#22773)
BisonRoadWarrior 
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03-07-19 10:52 PM - Post#279815    
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During the regular season, Colgate lost at Navy 72-66 and then beat the Mids in Hamilton 93-71.


 
jkrun80 
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03-07-19 11:01 PM - Post#279816    
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Great win! On to the next one! I think we’re better off playing Lehigh than Army.

 
HuskyColonial 
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03-07-19 11:07 PM - Post#279817    
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Beating any team 3 times in one year is a real task. Losing down the stretch like that really sucks.

 
raymondbucknell 
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03-08-19 01:41 AM - Post#279820    
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I’ve been so impressed with Kimbal. Scoring the first 10 points. He really willed them to victory as a great senior leader. But really kudos to everyone. They all did their part. There are no easy wins. Meeks and Funk were a huge boost.

 
Bison137 
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Re: 2019 Patriot League Tournament
03-08-19 02:14 AM - Post#279821    
    In response to crd012

  • crd012 Said:
Also, embarrassing student attendance. It’s the only damn playoff game they would be in school for.




Given that half the school had already left for Spring Break, I thought it was a good turnout. Far more than any PL team (except Bucknell) had had all year. They filled virtually all the seats at one end. PL decided they shouldn't sit at the other end - in case a few 100 HC fans showed up right at game time.




 
Bison137 
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03-08-19 02:17 AM - Post#279822    
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CRD...tx for raiding again the issue of student attendance. There hasn’t been much raised on that topic. AWFUL!!! Hell, they have a tough day tomorrow...they have to pack to go to FL or Cancun. How many were there 100? 150?




At least 400 and likely more - which came close to filling all available seats at one end. Which would be at least 20% of the students still on campus by Thursday evening. Many students don't have Friday classes and were long gone by game time.




 
Bison137 
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Re: 2019 Patriot League Tournament
03-08-19 02:23 AM - Post#279823    
    In response to BisonRoadWarrior

  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
  • Shot Clock Said:
Lehigh/Bucknell is the 2p game Sunday.

And yes, lame student attendance. Day before Spring Break. Come on. And for what students there are....put them behind the opponents basket in the 2nd half.


I think their location is stipulated by the league for the tournament game. That said, once there were so many empty seats in the Holy Cross section, it would've been good for some students to redeploy there.




Yes, it would have been a good idea to ignore the PL and take the seats reserved for HC, since it was obvious none would be used. There were students packed in all the way to the back row at the south end. Could have used some of them at the north side.




 
HuskyColonial 
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03-08-19 07:52 AM - Post#279829    
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Oh my! Think Cotterel sells out for the Final?

 
res 
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03-08-19 09:58 AM - Post#279835    
    In response to HuskyColonial

  • HuskyColonial Said:
Beating any team 3 times in one year is a real task. Losing down the stretch like that really sucks.


Except that it isn't once you've won the 1st two. Assume the teams are evenly matched. At the beginning of the season, assuming you knew in advance that the teams would be meeting a third time, the odds of winning all three games would be 1 in 8, or 12.5% That's equivalent to flipping a coin three times and coming up with 3 tails. Once one team has won the first two games, however, the odds of it winning the third are 1 in 2, or 50%.

But there's more. The teams are probably not evenly matched. It is much more likely than not that the team who won the first two games is the better team. If that is the case, then that team has better than a 50% chance of winning the 3rd game.

I don't know the numbers in college basketball, but the last time I've seen them with respect to the NFL, there had been 20 playoff games since the AFL-NFL merger where one opponent has beaten the other twice in the regular season. The teams that had won the 1st two games won 13 of those games, or 65%. That's nearly two-thirds of the time.

This is called conditional probability and it trumps the conventional wisdom. You can trust me, I'm a Bucknell math major. Admittedly, I've forgotten much of whatever I learned, but I've remembered this.


 
res 
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03-08-19 10:00 AM - Post#279836    
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I forgot to add, beating Lehigh will be a task, but not because the Bison have already beaten them twice.


 
crd012 
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2019 Patriot League Tournament
03-08-19 11:47 AM - Post#279852    
    In response to Bison137

  • Bison137 Said:
  • Old Bison Said:
CRD...tx for raiding again the issue of student attendance. There hasn’t been much raised on that topic. AWFUL!!! Hell, they have a tough day tomorrow...they have to pack to go to FL or Cancun. How many were there 100? 150?




At least 400 and likely more - which came close to filling all available seats at one end. Which would be at least 20% of the students still on campus by Thursday evening. Many students don't have Friday classes and were long gone by game time.



Not trying to get in a larger discussion about the students in general. But I graduated in 2010, and Monday-Wednesday-Friday were the main day of classes. So I wouldn't expect half the campus to be gone already. But regardless there was minimal home court advantage, for a team that has won the regular season title 7 of the last 8 years. That in itself is embarrassing. At this point Sojka should be a full for a playoff game. Last year the Semis and the Finals were intimidating for any team to come into, there was none of that last night.

Also...is the extended week of OOC schedule going to be the norm every year now? Because if that's the case does that mean the school's spring break is going to be during the PL Tourney every year? Because that would suck not only for the home team, but the marketing of the league. Think about the league missing out on students rushing the court for a championship team and it being on ESPN?


Edited by crd012 on 03-08-19 11:48 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bison89 
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03-08-19 12:56 PM - Post#279859    
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I was very impressed with Sestina. He played very solid D while staying out of foul trouble.

As for Kimal, WOW! He played like the Senior and First Team All PL player that he is.

Bring on the Engineers!
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res 
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Re: 2019 Patriot League Tournament
03-08-19 01:47 PM - Post#279871    
    In response to crd012

I think the vagaries of the calendar and who hosts will mean going forward the same as we've seen in the past. Sometimes the final will occur during that school's spring break, sometimes not. Certainly it makes it a better spectacle to have students there. But, as to the marketing of the league, I've not sure it makes much of a difference. There aren't a lot of casual viewers tuning in in either event.

btw, the semifinals and final are on CBSSN as they have been for a number of years now, not ESPN.

EDIT: Upon further reflection, it looks like you meant "on ESPN" to mean SportsCenter highlights. Still, I don't think that really moves the needle on league marketing.


Edited by res on 03-08-19 01:50 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bison137 
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03-08-19 01:59 PM - Post#279875    
    In response to HuskyColonial

  • HuskyColonial Said:
Oh my! Think Cotterel sells out for the Final?




Not one chance in a million. When they hosted Bucknell in 2008 for the semis, students were not on break - unlike now. Yet they only drew an official attendance of 1301 - including a lot of bandwagon-jumping students who were attending the first Colgate basketball game of their lives.

This year, despite having a really good team, Colgate has averaged 503 fans per game - including students for many games.




 
Bison137 
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03-08-19 02:05 PM - Post#279876    
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Interesting stats for the three games where Floyd and Sestina matched up this year:

- Points: Sestina 63, Floyd 57
- FG's: Sestina 23-32 (72%), Floyd 23-39 (59%)
- FT's: Sestina 14-16 (88%), Floyd 11-20 (55%)
- Rebounds: Sestina 31, Floyd 20
- Assists: Floyd 9, Sestina 5
- Turnovers: Sestina 8, Floyd 14
- Blocks: Floyd 6, Sestina 4
- Fouls: Sestina 8, Floyd 11

Advantage Sestina, despite what you might read from some on Crossports.




 
Bison89 
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03-08-19 02:15 PM - Post#279880    
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The numbers don't lie!
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
res 
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03-08-19 02:17 PM - Post#279882    
    In response to Bison137

  • Bison137 Said:
Advantage Sestina, despite what you might read from some on Crossports.



Yes, I just read there yesterday that Floyd dominated him.


 
Bison89 
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03-08-19 04:57 PM - Post#279901    
    In response to res

  • res Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
Advantage Sestina, despite what you might read from some on Crossports.



Yes, I just read there yesterday that Floyd dominated him.




I think that we should give Floyd some credit. He did a great job protecting the rim in the first 10 minutes or so. I have to admit that I was a little concerned. IMO, he is a very good player. If he had a jumper or could hit free throws, he could be significantly better.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
Bison137 
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03-08-19 06:00 PM - Post#279923    
    In response to Bison89

  • Bison89 Said:
  • res Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
Advantage Sestina, despite what you might read from some on Crossports.



Yes, I just read there yesterday that Floyd dominated him.




I think that we should give Floyd some credit. He did a great job protecting the rim in the first 10 minutes or so. I have to admit that I was a little concerned. IMO, he is a very good player. If he had a jumper or could hit free throws, he could be significantly better.




If he had a different coach, he would have been a much bigger contributor. He has great ability near the rim, but Carmody did his best to keep him away from the spots where he could do the most damage.




 
MrPhillie 
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03-08-19 07:48 PM - Post#279987    
    In response to Bison137

To be fair, Sestina himself said that Floyd has been tough on him. But other than Floyd being better at blocking shots and general defense, Nate has the offensive advantage.

As for student attendance, we can discuss all day that Bucknell is better than other PL schools, that doesn’t change the fact that student attendance is poor. To say “at least we’re not as bad as you” isn’t a great argument. The “Sojka Psycho” moniker must be retired.

 
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