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Eric Von Zipper 
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03-09-19 02:58 PM - Post#280168    

Opened Eli -1 1/2

Quickly jumped to Eli -3

 
bradley 
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Re: Yale
03-09-19 06:46 PM - Post#280200    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

Confirmed- Schweiger on bench street clothes. Walked a little gingerly.

 
bradley 
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Re: Yale
03-09-19 07:21 PM - Post#280211    
    In response to Eric Von Zipper

Brutal offensive - good defense. Same old same old.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Yale
03-09-19 07:21 PM - Post#280212    
    In response to bradley

Slow start. Can't anyone on this team shoot the 3?

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Yale
03-09-19 08:11 PM - Post#280235    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Second half more missed 3's; bad turnovers as well.

 
gokinsmen 
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Yale
03-09-19 08:34 PM - Post#280253    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

No Cannady, no Schweiger, no chance. Yale is the class of the league, but I'd rather lose today and win next time than the other way around.

I want our guys to bask in this ugly, embarrassing loss and come out angry next week. Similarly, I'm fine with Yale taking us lightly after today's blowout.

 
yoyo 
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03-09-19 09:49 PM - Post#280295    
    In response to gokinsmen

Nice effort

 
Bryan 
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03-09-19 09:54 PM - Post#280305    
    In response to yoyo

During the weekend Princeton's passing was poor and they got almost no easy shots. Way too many guarded 3's late in the shot clock. Unless Schwieger plays and settles the team down it will be a short trip to Yale next weekend.

 
SRP 
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03-10-19 03:16 AM - Post#280370    
    In response to Bryan

Llewelyn has stopped making all those bad plays, but he's gotten awfully passive. Even with Schwieger back they'll likely need more offensive orchestration and more scoring from him to get wins in the folly. Once again, Morales was one of the few bright spots despite the double-edged nature of his game. Aririguzoh is a good passer out of the high post (a little shaky out of the low post) and they could run more stuff with cutters and handoffs off of him. Something has to be done to get more movement and spacing.

Besides not getting good shots, the Tigers' shooting was just poor tonight. Even at the FT line, there were a lot of clanks. At this point, I would like to see Desrosiers get more three-point attempts because he actually is one of the better bombers on the team but he seems to have become gun-shy.

 
whitakk 
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03-10-19 09:17 AM - Post#280382    
    In response to SRP

Bummed to draw Yale again in the tournament. Harvard would've also beaten the Tigers but it would've been a more enjoyable weird/ugly game. Hard to see a Yale rematch ending in anything but the same sort of blowout, especially on the road.

 
SRP 
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03-10-19 03:03 PM - Post#280483    
    In response to whitakk

I wouldn't draw too much information from what amounted to an exhibition game for Princeton, playing without Schwieger. Yale was my pick for champion preseason and during non-conference, so I still would favor their odds, but the tournament game is unlikely to unfold along similar lines to this one. One thing that will probably stay the same is that Copeland will score a lot--that's been happening for four years now, and the guy still gets overshadowed in discussions of the Eli.

 
HARVARDDADGRAD 
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Yale
03-10-19 03:20 PM - Post#280487    
    In response to SRP

I picked Yale pre-season also - unless both Towns and Aiken returned for Harvard.

Interesting results though. If I had known that most teams would suffer injuries to key players, I would have expected Yale to run away with the season title.

To wit:
Penn: Betley/Wang/Washington
Princeton: Cannaday
Harvard: Towns/Bassey and Aiken missing OOC + a loss to Dartmouth (and there are others)
Columbia: Smith
Brown: Anderson/Howard

Yale meanwhile has remained (to the best of my knowledge) healthy and thus could have won this thing with a record better than 10-4.

Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-10-19 03:21 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Yale
03-10-19 03:38 PM - Post#280491    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

Before the season, I thought Princeton would be a bottom half of the league team, and would lose the first two games to Penn.

I did not expect Aririguzoh to emerge as an excellent (short of dominant) post player.

So our early success was a surprise, and I got my hopes up, and then, (drum role), Cannady.

Then Schwieger appears ("the complete unknown from out of nowhere".)

My hopes are up again, and then the concussion.

So I'm happy we are in the tourney, and I don't expect much. I hope Aririguzoh continues to improve (why shouldn't he?), and I hope MH learns how to use him better.

And next year, maybe we can learn the "catch to shoot" philosophy of Villanova



 
gokinsmen 
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03-10-19 06:18 PM - Post#280512    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

This really was "The Year of Missing Stars." I wonder what the league would have looked like with everyone, not just Yale, full strength.

With Cannady out, our chances of winning an NCAA tourney game are asymptotically close to zero. So I can live with the Bulldogs representing the league. That said, funny things can happen over a single weekend and I put no stock in the yesterday's glorified scrimmage.

Let's slow it down, get it to RA and hope Schweiger plays like he has of late.

 
bradley 
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03-10-19 07:25 PM - Post#280524    
    In response to gokinsmen

For next year, Mitch does need to get the ball down to Richmond far more than what he did this year. Although Bruner did a good job of denying Richmond the ball, once he got it, good things happened from there.

For next year, I believe that Wright will play a significant role as he can get off a shot like Arirguzoh, Schwiegger and Llewellyn -- a must in the Ivy League of 2019-20.

Sitting at court side, Yale was the third most impressive team that the Tigers played this year for one given night after Duke and St. John's. Copeland is a weapon as he can get off his shot no matter how well he is defended. Jones had them in sync getting ready for IvyMadness and he kept them after the game was long decided.

 
palestra38 
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03-10-19 07:40 PM - Post#280529    
    In response to bradley

Copeland is the most underrated player in the League.

 
LyleGold 
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03-10-19 10:33 PM - Post#280571    
    In response to palestra38

  • palestra38 Said:
Copeland is the most underrated player in the League.



Agreed - he worries me a lot more than Oni next week. I put him just a slight notch below Aiken.

 
SRP 
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03-10-19 11:19 PM - Post#280576    
    In response to LyleGold

Obviously I agree. That guy has been torturing us for four years. He is really hard to defend.

 
Charlie Fog 
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Re: Yale
03-11-19 07:41 AM - Post#280588    
    In response to HARVARDDADGRAD

  • HARVARDDADGRAD Said:
I picked Yale pre-season also - unless both Towns and Aiken returned for Harvard.

Interesting results though. If I had known that most teams would suffer injuries to key players, I would have expected Yale to run away with the season title.

To wit:
Penn: Betley/Wang/Washington
Princeton: Cannaday
Harvard: Towns/Bassey and Aiken missing OOC + a loss to Dartmouth (and there are others)
Columbia: Smith
Brown: Anderson/Howard

Yale meanwhile has remained (to the best of my knowledge) healthy and thus could have won this thing with a record better than 10-4.




To be accurate, Cannaday did not suffer an injury

 
bradley 
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03-11-19 08:11 AM - Post#280591    
    In response to SRP

Copeland moves are affectionally called "ankle breakers". Aiken and Copeland have the best one on one moves at the end of a game. Copeland follows in the foot steps of another Yale ankle breaker, Mason.

Cannady never developed that type of move although he got much better going to the basket in his senior year. Llewellyn has the potential to be an ankle breaker next year but his shot obviously needs to improve.

These type of players are pretty rare commondities in the IL to date.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Yale
03-11-19 11:25 AM - Post#280619    
    In response to Charlie Fog

  • Charlie Fog Said:

To be accurate, Cannaday did not suffer an injury



Psychic injury???

 
Tiger69 
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03-11-19 02:42 PM - Post#280652    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

I thought that he sat out the first several games for the season with an injury. The original poster was just baiting. He occasionally posts inane remarks over on the Penn site.

 
umbrellaman 
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Re: Yale
03-11-19 07:53 PM - Post#280712    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Aririguzoh got so much better this year, they started to double him - and that was something he hadn't had to deal with before, and will be an area for improvement over the off season. Hopefully, Princeton will have the shooters next year to make them pay for the double teams

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Yale
03-11-19 08:50 PM - Post#280720    
    In response to umbrellaman

Off to big man passing camp this summer?

 
Tiger69 
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03-11-19 11:38 PM - Post#280735    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

One would think that JL’s top priority in the offseason would be to develop a reliable three. He seems to be strong in all the other facets of his game.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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03-12-19 06:16 AM - Post#280742    
    In response to Tiger69

In the current NBA, that would be almost a necessity. Not sure MH sees it as a priority for him now. And by the way, EVERYONE ELSE needs a reliable 3 also.

 
sparman 
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03-12-19 08:51 AM - Post#280754    
    In response to Tiger69

If I'm reading the stats correctly, he's shooting 36% on his non-3PTs, so I think developing a reliable 2PT comes first.

 
SRP 
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03-12-19 02:33 PM - Post#280841    
    In response to sparman

If Llewelyn had a reliable floater he'd be really hard to guard. He has little trouble getting to within five feet of the rim on his drives. He's also had success a couple of times jump stopping in the lane and shooting from in close--if he worked on the Jay Wright pivot in those situations he'd be able to score or pass.

But, yeah, better outside shooting would be a huge plus.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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03-12-19 05:09 PM - Post#280879    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
Jay Wright pivot
  • Quote:


I like the Jay Wright "catch to shoot" philosophy and his emphasis on footwork.

Too much hesitation and pump-faking by our guys. Granted, the fewer shots you make, the fewer you want to take.


 
bradley 
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03-12-19 06:47 PM - Post#280890    
    In response to SRP

I agree that a reliable floater would be a big plus and it is something that Devin developed over time. If he can develop a 3 pt shot, he will even increase his God given abilitiy to get to the rim.

One thing that is overlooked regarding Llewellyn is that he had a fairly large number of shots blocked but the ball most often went out of bounds behind the base line. I doubt that there are statistics regarding the numbers but the Tigers often continued to have possession of the ball even though his shooting % was effected. They did lose some time on the shot clock.

The likelihood is that he will improve each year but time will tell.

 
bradley 
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Re: Yale
03-13-19 11:08 AM - Post#280994    
    In response to umbrellaman

In the final radio show of the year, Mitch had glowing comments regarding Richmond and it would not have been out of the question if he was named to 1st team IL. One got the sense from Mitch and Mongilia that Aiken or Morgan would have been very deserving to have won POY vs. Oni. They also talked about the excellent contributions made by Brodeur and Goodman in having Penn get the 4th slot.

Mongilia did express a personal preference that IvyMadness be held at a neutral site.

Henderson commented that some of the freshmen players including Llewellyn, Wright and Jones got a lot of playing time this year; more so than prior years, and how it should be helpful in future years. I tuned him out when he started talking about Saturday's game with Yale.

Finally, Gladson was on and he is recovering from recent surgery and is spending quite a bit of time in rehab. He also mentioned how much time Stephens has spent in the training room during the entire year.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Yale
03-13-19 12:50 PM - Post#281027    
    In response to bradley

Thanks for the summary.

 
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