whitakk
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03-10-19 09:44 AM - Post#280388
Who you got?
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TheLine
Professor
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03-10-19 11:16 AM - Post#280399
In response to whitakk
I'm interested in who you got.
1st team
Brodeur
Morgan
Oni
Aririguzoh
Aiken
I need more time to think about 2nd team. Plenty of deserving candidates. Cambridge and Steffanini come to mind.
POY
Brodeur
DPOY
Numbers say Choh so I'll go with him
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Old Bear
Postdoc
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Reg: 11-23-04
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03-10-19 12:05 PM - Post#280418
In response to TheLine
Okolie should be DPOY, for sure.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-10-19 01:20 PM - Post#280438
In response to Old Bear
It's in the Okolie genes!
Think of Obie but as a 6'8" guard and you see how good his older brother Agunwa was on defense for Harvard.
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Old Bear
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03-10-19 01:22 PM - Post#280439
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Agunwa was at Obie's game last week.
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mrjames
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03-10-19 02:07 PM - Post#280453
In response to Old Bear
Just posted on Twitter, but my thoughts:
POY: Aiken
ROY: Noah
DPOY: Okolie
COY: Amaker
1st Team:
Aiken*
Morgan*
Brodeur*
Oni*
Knight
I think we’ll see Copeland, Aririguzoh, Tape, Choh, Stefanini as other prime 2nd team/HM candidates.
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Streamers
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03-10-19 02:21 PM - Post#280459
In response to mrjames
Amaker as COY? You can't be serious unless you are saying it defaults to the regular season winner no matter how well they actually coached. If it were the latter, he would be 8th on my list.
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mrjames
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03-10-19 02:29 PM - Post#280468
In response to Streamers
Projecting what *will* happen. My COY would be Mike or Brian.
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Streamers
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03-10-19 02:42 PM - Post#280474
In response to mrjames
Agree on those. Engles has done an amazing with that Columbia team as well. I'd have trouble choosing from those 3.
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mrjames
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03-10-19 03:10 PM - Post#280484
In response to Streamers
Talk about a guy who milked, every, last, drop out of the talent he had.
That being said, the record in close games and the fact that the talent could have been a lot better... those are tiebreakers against, IMO. Putting both on the coach might be harsh, but that’s my take.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-10-19 03:13 PM - Post#280486
In response to Old Bear
Nice. Both are class acts. Must be a wonderful grounded family to produce such young men. Both Brown and Harvard were very fortunate to have them as students and players.
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Bruno
PhD Student
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Loc: Brooklyn, NY
Reg: 11-21-04
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03-10-19 04:08 PM - Post#280495
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I think you may see Okolie get 2nd team. They like seniors and his Ivy numbers are very good.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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03-10-19 04:26 PM - Post#280497
In response to Bruno
Deservedly so.
With Amakers playing time rotations and injuries I only see Aiken as first team and Kirkwood as ROY.
A lot of spots are open. Guys like Lewis and Bassey had been thought to be locks. Choh could get in there.
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SomeGuy
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03-10-19 05:04 PM - Post#280505
In response to Bruno
On the historical senior bias, I actually could see Okolie on the first team. Aiken, Oni, Brodeur, and Morgan seem like unanimous locks. Other spot could be a lot of guys, but i’ll Guess it is one of the seniors: Okolie, Copeland, or even Stephens.
That said, I think mrjames has secret sources on this and just tells us what it will be with maybe one mistake just to make it look like he isn’t cheating.
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whitakk
Masters Student
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Age: 32
Reg: 11-11-14
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03-10-19 06:27 PM - Post#280515
In response to SomeGuy
I have:
First-team: Aiken, Morgan, Oni, Brodeur, Knight. But the last spot could go to any of the next 5-7 candidates and I wouldn't mind (first four will be easily unanimous).
Second-team: Stefanini, Choh, Aririguzoh, Cambridge, Copeland. Tape and Stephens the next two out.
POY: Aiken reluctantly, because I do think non-conference should be a factor, but still his 13 games were just amazing. Aiken, Oni, Morgan, Brodeur's seasons would have all been good enough to win this award in either of the last two years.
ROY: Kirkwood by default in a weak year.
DPOY: I don't have a feel for this at all -- it was a very strong year for defense throughout the league but more at a team level than any superstars. I'm happy to ride the Okolie wave but wouldn't object if the best guy from any of the top six teams won it.
COY: I would probably opt for Earl, but surprised James Jones hasn't been mentioned -- yes, injury luck, but Yale was ranked 3rd preseason and turned out to be the league's clear best team on performance. Given his rep I wouldn't be surprised at all if he won it.
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SomeGuy
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03-10-19 09:25 PM - Post#280565
In response to whitakk
If we count OOC, Cambridge should be there. Just in conference, though, he can’t possibly be there. He had a shockingly bad conference season, shooting 26% from the field, 74 ORAT, 0 win shares, etc. Yes, he makes jaw dropping plays, is the focal point for opposing defenses, and is the clear emotional leader of a solid (and rapidly improving) team. But the numbers were just awful, and they are exacerbated by a very high usage rate.
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Bruno
PhD Student
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Loc: Brooklyn, NY
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Individual Awards
03-10-19 10:43 PM - Post#280573
In response to SomeGuy
I agree on Cambridge. He played the most high variance game in the Ivy season I have ever seen. But he was way off a lot more than he was way on.
He was probably the best player in the league in the OOC and arguably the ‘worst’ in the Ivy due to the bad streaks compounded by incredibly high usage. (Although in fairness, in nearly every game where he tanked offensively, he still made other difference-making plays on both offense and defense).
What do they count, by the way? Only in-conference or full season? I should know this but I have brown blinders on.
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SRP
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03-10-19 11:38 PM - Post#280578
In response to Bruno
One lens I find interesting is to think about what would happen if college basketball looked like Little League and each conference put together an all-star team that would then go off and play for the title in some tournament structure. Whom would you pick then? It would be a tough set of choices and you might want to put in some guys without the gaudy stats whose skill sets would mesh, e.g. somebody like Phills or Woods.
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1LotteryPick1969
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03-11-19 06:39 AM - Post#280586
In response to whitakk
COY: surprised James Jones hasn't been mentioned -- yes, injury luck, but Yale was ranked 3rd preseason and turned out to be the league's clear best team on performance. Given his rep I wouldn't be surprised at all if he won it.
He's my COY--again his team is talent laden and plays so well together.
His ability to recruit is amazing.
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rbg
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Individual Awards
03-11-19 09:14 AM - Post#280607
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I'm going with
POY: Brodeur (Penn)
I think it certainly could be Brodeur, Oni or Aiken. Aiken was phenomenal and Harvard would not be co-champs without him. I gave AJ the nod due to his full season of excellence and his slightly better numbers than Oni, who also had an incredible full season.
DPOY: Okolie (Brown)
Again, it certainly could go to a number of worthy candidates - Phills, Bassey and Stephens
COY: Mike Martin (Brown)
Another strong competition - Jones had a healthy group for the first time in 3 years and produced a strong championship team; Amaker had to deal with major injuries and also produced a championship; Donahue had to deal with major injuries and a less deep roster than Harvard. With that, he managed to lead his team to a Big 5 title (4-0) and make it into the Ivy Tournament.
With that noted, Mike Martin has gone 45-71 (avg 11.25-17.75) and 15-41 (avg 3.75-10.25) in conference the last 4 years. Also, a large number of players were leaving the program for various reasons. He has stabled the program over the last two years and went 19-11 (school record for wins) and 7-7 in conference this season. He also did it by going from an offense-first group to one with a really strong defense. I for one did not see this coming at the beginning of November and think he deserves a lot of credit for the job he did.
1st Team
Brodeur (Penn), Oni (Yale), Aiken (Harvard), Morgan (Cornell), Aririguzoh (Princeton)
Edited by rbg on 03-11-19 09:18 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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