weinhauers_ghost
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Individual Awards
03-11-19 09:27 AM - Post#280609
In response to SRP
One lens I find interesting is to think about what would happen if college basketball looked like Little League and each conference put together an all-star team that would then go off and play for the title in some tournament structure. Whom would you pick then? It would be a tough set of choices and you might want to put in some guys without the gaudy stats whose skill sets would mesh, e.g. somebody like Phills or Woods.
Oh, man. This is an interesting thought exercise. What do you think, 15-man roster? I'm not going to break it down into starters and reserves yet, but here are my ideas, just based on what I've seen of this year's Ivy competition. Let's DQ Cannady, simply because he did not complete the season.
Guards: Aiken, Woods (Swiss Army knife defender), Copeland, Stefanini (who could be beaten out by Morgan), Goodman
Wings: Oni, Cambridge, Okolie, Bassey, Stephens
Post: Brodeur, Lewis, Choh, Knight, Aririguzoh
I have to think about who falls into my next tier, of guys who would be good alternates.
Edited by weinhauers_ghost on 03-11-19 09:30 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SRP
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Re: Individual Awards
03-11-19 12:50 PM - Post#280629
In response to weinhauers_ghost
That would be a good defensive group in a good defensive year for the league. I might want more than two reliable three-point shooters,though.
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weinhauers_ghost
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Re: Individual Awards
03-11-19 01:07 PM - Post#280632
In response to SRP
That's a good point, though I think Aiken, Copeland and Stefanini could light you up pretty well, and Cambridge would either shoot you into the game, or shoot you out of it (shades of J.R. Smith!). My choices pretty much reflect the fact that I think defense first.
My alternates list would include guys like Morgan, Adlesh, Kirkwood, Phills and possibly Tape (reward for his late season improvement).
Edited by weinhauers_ghost on 03-11-19 01:14 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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PeteD
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03-11-19 01:08 PM - Post#280633
In response to SRP
POY: Aiken
ROY: Llewellyn
DPOY: Oni
COY: Engels
1st Team:
Aiken
Morgan
Brodeur
Oni
Choh
2nd Team:
Copeland
Aririguzoh
Tape
Stefanini
Okolie
HM: Knight, Stephens, Cambridge, Goodman, Adlesh, Boeheim, Bruner & Woods
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palestra38
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03-11-19 01:13 PM - Post#280634
In response to PeteD
That's a very solid list
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weinhauers_ghost
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03-11-19 01:16 PM - Post#280635
In response to palestra38
I'm not sold on Llewellyn as ROY. I thought Kirkwood had pretty much overtaken all of the competitors by season's end.
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palestra38
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03-11-19 01:22 PM - Post#280637
In response to weinhauers_ghost
I'm actually not sold on anyone from Princeton, but they managed to finish ahead of Penn and beat us twice. You have to reward them in these lists. But man did they look horrible that last weekend.
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weinhauers_ghost
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03-11-19 01:57 PM - Post#280643
In response to palestra38
I'm actually not sold on anyone from Princeton, but they managed to finish ahead of Penn and beat us twice. You have to reward them in these lists. But man did they look horrible that last weekend.
The one Princeton guy I thought was deserving was Aririguzoh. That kid made some serious strides this year. He did not have that post game last year, at all. He clearly put in the work, so he should be rewarded.
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mrjames
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03-11-19 03:10 PM - Post#280665
In response to weinhauers_ghost
I think you’ll see Stephens on the second team.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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03-11-19 03:50 PM - Post#280669
In response to mrjames
I think you’ll see Stephens on the second team.
Mike, any news on who's going to win on Saturday?
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Old Bear
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03-11-19 03:54 PM - Post#280670
In response to rbg
Here is an award.
https://brownbears.com/news/2019/3/11/mens-b asketb...
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mrjames
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03-11-19 09:38 PM - Post#280729
In response to SomeGuy
You’re not going to be as impressed with me this year.
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84grad
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03-12-19 10:28 AM - Post#280768
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Have to agree on Kirkwood. Contributed points, rebounds and defense. 7 weekly awards for ROY really makes that one a no brainer, IMO.
POY is very interesting. If Penn hadn’t made the tournament, it would have compromised Brodeur’s chances, but they did what they had to do when their backs were to the wall. It all depends on the criteria. If it’s for the full season, it has to be Brodeur, especially with the Big 5 sweep. If it’s for the 14 game tournament, Aiken had too many huge performances (and clutch plays) to deny him the award.
Bassey was great as a defender, but he missed too many games. Put me in the Okolie camp. Lot of respect for his play.
Coach of year is interesting. Martin and Earl got their teams to the brink of the tournament and have to be considered. Jones had a lot of weapons and a healthy team, so I’m not inclined to go in that direction. I love Steve and he lost a key player and managed to keep the ship afloat, but doesn’t feel like COY. Engles got it going too late and had too many close losses. I’m surprised to say this, but Amaker does deserve a lot of credit given the Towns/ Aiken/ Bassey injuries. Got the share of title by the narrowest margins in many games, but going 6-0 against Ivy tournament teams probably should be rewarded.
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03-12-19 10:41 AM - Post#280772
In response to 84grad
With regard to Engles - I agree as to the close games, but for me, the extent to which a team improves over the course of the season is a big consideration. The Lions arguably led the league in that respect.
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mrjames
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03-12-19 10:51 AM - Post#280776
In response to 84grad
The All-Ivy ballot explicitly mentions all contests should be considered NOT just Ivy contests.
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LyleGold
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03-12-19 11:02 AM - Post#280779
In response to mrjames
The All-Ivy ballot explicitly mentions all contests should be considered NOT just Ivy contests.
But votes still submit their ballots and the winners are announced prior to the ILT, right? If so, that's really unfortunate and makes little sense to me.
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PennFan10
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03-12-19 11:02 AM - Post#280780
In response to mrjames
The All-Ivy ballot explicitly mentions all contests should be considered NOT just Ivy contests.
I heard this as well and Mike Martin said as much (Ivy awards are for full year accomplishments) on his show 2 weeks ago.
I believe Brodeur, Morgan and Oni are the only candidates to consider for POY in that case.
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palestra38
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03-12-19 11:12 AM - Post#280782
In response to mrjames
I wish you had mentioned that before I suggested the same on the Harvard board and got killed for it.
But whatever. I think that this takes Aiken out of the picture (still has to be considered, but 1st team all Ivy will be certain).
As for COY, I don't think anyone really can win it except for Amaker---you have to look at all those injuries and close wins. That's coaching, no matter the knock on him on his game coaching. This year, his team won the title just barely outscoring the opposition. That's COY performance.
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03-12-19 11:56 AM - Post#280789
In response to palestra38
Martin COY by a very slim edge on how he now has Brown in the weekly and annual discussions after slow and steady growth. Most improved team in league. Earl in 2 years now has a relatively undisciplined offensive team believing in back door cuts. And yes, Amaker right there as well, delivered what the pre-season voters predicted, but mostly on best use of depth over season, having lost the headliners that prompted voters to their pre-season votes. (OK 1 headliner did the work of 3 for 13 games.)
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mrjames
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03-12-19 12:01 PM - Post#280790
In response to palestra38
Yeah, I don't think we've ever seen as dramatic a case as Aiken to really test the "how heavily weighted is the Ivy campaign?" point.
Results are out at 3pm. Very interested to see what everyone thinks!
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