Tiger69
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 12:30 AM - Post#281233
In response to LyleGold
Spoken by the Master
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Tiger69
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 12:45 AM - Post#281236
In response to Mike Porter
The Yale home crowd will be pulling for Penn against the cantabs. I must admit, sadly, that Princeton’s only chance would be if the entire Bulldog farm came down with the flu. At 0-4 vs hY Princeton really doesn’t belong in this tournament. Penn, at 7-7, doesn’t either. But, with one Y win and a h scare, they at least have an outside chance. Grim day for Ivies if either of the Ps sneak through and win the tournament.
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Mike Porter
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03-14-19 01:35 AM - Post#281238
In response to Tiger69
A lot of upsets would have to happen and it’s a real long shot in general, but honestly a Penn vs. Princeton IvyMadness Final @Yale would be quite entertaining.
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westcoast
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03-14-19 01:43 AM - Post#281239
In response to Mike Porter
Good three point shooting would really make a big difference for Princeton. The Tigers have only shot at 35% or better on threes in 1 game out of the last 19 (over Columbia 79-61, when they shot 12-26).
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LyleGold
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 06:21 AM - Post#281240
In response to Mike Porter
Trying to get the reverse jinx going here Lyle, work with me..... haha
Oh, gotcha. For us, however, all we have to do is say kanehora, throw salt over our shoulders, and spit to both sides - directly in Bryce Aiden's face if possible!
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LyleGold
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 06:39 AM - Post#281241
In response to Tiger69
At 0-4 vs hY Princeton really doesn’t belong in this tournament. Penn, at 7-7, doesn’t either.
So, 69, by that logic you're saying the tournament shouldn't exist at all and instead, there should be a tiebreaking playoff between H-Y. What a novel idea!
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mrjames
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 06:56 AM - Post#281243
In response to Tiger69
Not grim at all. Both Penn and Princeton have Tier I wins. Everyone in the Ivy Tourney has a better top-end resume than last year. Grim was last year, where anyone that won the tourney was at risk for a 16.
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bradley
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 07:58 AM - Post#281249
In response to Tiger69
You just do not understand. It was just merely a case of "bad luck" or the Basketball Gods that the two Ps finished at 7-7 and 8-6. They were really very good consistent teams but the rims were just unkind.
It really does not matter if you have no interest in Ivy Madness as to the outcome of this weekend one way or the other. At least, the weather forecast sounds good.
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palestra38
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 09:01 AM - Post#281253
In response to bradley
I think that if Princeton had beaten Yale on Sunday (and still finished 2nd behind Harvard), you would be singing a completely different tune. It's not so much the fact of the tournament as the fact that you aren't confident of your team's performance.
The tourney is here. Saying it doesn't matter because you think Princeton will lose is not sporting.
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bradley
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 09:14 AM - Post#281256
In response to palestra38
Wrong as usual. What was stated this morning was stated weeks ago, last year and prior to last year. It is not very complicated to stay consistent with your beliefs vs. floating beliefs.
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palestra38
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 09:15 AM - Post#281257
In response to bradley
Floating beliefs = Recognition of Reality
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bradley
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 06:11 PM - Post#281361
In response to palestra38
Do me a favor and think logically for a moment -- if someone did not watch a single moment of IvyMadness when the Tigers were 14-0, a single moment when the Tigers were not in the tournament and plans on not watching a single moment when the Tigers are a #3 seed, your comment that the reason for someone not watching this weekend is a function that the individual is afraid or concerned that his/her team will lose this weekend. Huh?
How about, one simply does not care about IvyMadness
Interesting that you would draw that type of conclusion -- inaccurate as it may be.
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palestra38
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 07:12 PM - Post#281368
In response to bradley
I didn't say anything about watching. I said you would have interest if you thought they had a chance. And to deny reality makes you little more than Don Quixote.
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Mike Porter
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 07:28 PM - Post#281370
In response to bradley
Are you saying you didn’t watch the tournament when they we 14-0 and aren’t watching this weekend?
Or are you using a hypothetical scenario?
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bradley
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-14-19 09:27 PM - Post#281384
In response to Mike Porter
You can get your answer if I watched the games for the initial IvyMadness by looking at page 7 of 54 on the Princeton forum and turn to the Penn game - pages 3 and 4. On the 5:42pm entry, I asked the gracious SRP if "the ESPN commentators made any comments regarding the idiocy of IvyMadness".
Obviously, it was very disappointing not to watch one of my all time favorite Tiger teams complete the undefeated season but I could not watch something that I feel strongly about although each person has the right to decide what is right or wrong for them.
We have made it a family tradition to go skiing on IvyMadness weekend and now, we do not look at the scores until having a drink at the bar and it works great for us.
I am sure that you asked the question based on a sincere interest in understanding why someone may feel different than you.
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Mike Porter
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03-15-19 12:15 AM - Post#281401
In response to bradley
My sarcasm meter just exploded, but despite your final comment, I was actually just curious if you took your dislike of IvyMadness that far or just were creating a hypothetical scenario. I also read the thread very quickly at lunch so wasn’t that thorough.
Of course you’re free to do whatever you want, watch whatever you want, etc., so more power to you.
For me, life is too short to hate something as silly as IvyMadness, especially to the degree of depriving yourself of your fandom to prove a point to essentially... no one?
Sports fandom is about fun, about community, about diversion from daily grind, etc. You had a very good, undeafeated Ivy Champion team that you could have watched be the the first (and currently the only ever) 16-0 Ivy League team...
And from the outside where I’m sitting instead you basically said “Screw you Ivy League office! I’m going to punish you by not attending to support the team and not watching so I’ll miss out on some awesome Princeton Basketball games and 2X different types of championships in the same season. That’ll show you!â€
For me as a Penn fan, if there are games, I’m watching. Even if we lose the Ivy Championship and play in CBI or CBT or whatever random tournament... I’m watching... because I’m a Penn fan and that’s what fandom is about.
Again, you’re free to do what ever you want, but if you’re a true, passionate Princeton basketball fan, then I genuinely just don’t get it and find it counter to being a real fan.
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LyleGold
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Re: Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-15-19 08:52 AM - Post#281411
In response to bradley
You can get your answer if I watched the games for the initial IvyMadness by looking at page 7 of 54 on the Princeton forum and turn to the Penn game - pages 3 and 4. On the 5:42pm entry, I asked the gracious SRP if "the ESPN commentators made any comments regarding the idiocy of IvyMadness".
We have made it a family tradition to go skiing on IvyMadness weekend and now, we do not look at the scores until having a drink at the bar and it works great for us.
If only our senior captain Matt Howard had made a stinkin' FT when we had your favorite all time team dead and buried, we could have ruined your ski trip. Or would you have simply shrugged it off as an abomination and maintained that the undefeated Ivy season was still intact? Even some Penn fans still cling to the belief that our entire '71 season remains undefeated since Howard Porter's signing with an agent led to Villanova vacating its NCAA run.
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bradley
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03-15-19 09:11 AM - Post#281416
In response to Mike Porter
Thanks for the note. We simply have different point of views but I can assure that life is just fine without watching IvyMadness. When the league becomes a 2 bid league not an imaginative one, I plan on watching IvyMadness.
For now, I simply hope that the two teams on both the men's and women's brackets that tied for the IL regular season win IvyMadness and represent the league. Obviously, I hope even more that the Tiger's women team wins IvyMadness. If any of the these four teams win, I will be rooting for them at the NCAA Tournmane or if they lose watch the NIT.
As to the regular steam of emotional rants and raves by some of your compadres on various forums, I simply do not care. I thought that they went to a school in the City of Brotherly Love.
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umbrellaman
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Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-15-19 12:38 PM - Post#281472
In response to bradley
To each their own. I like staying out of the cold and intact knee ligaments, so I don't ski.
I've become a fan of IvyMadness - it has come at the right time where we all the programs are competitive.
The only thing I don't like is the lack of a neutral site. I guess the $$$$ aren't there for that, yet. I wonder if the rotating schedule will lead programs to try to sync their top of cycle with hosting their tournament.
Edited by umbrellaman on 03-15-19 12:38 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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gokinsmen
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Odds To Win The Ivy Tournament 03-15-19 01:03 PM - Post#281475
In response to umbrellaman
To win this game, we need to make it as slow and ugly as possible. Keep it under 70.
I want to see a FT parade. I want whistles and foul trouble. I want the crowd bored and annoyed from all the bricks and stoppages of play. I want to see Morales and Johns end up with 3 steals and 4 fouls, getting all up in Oni and Copeland's business.
Yes, it's important for Schweiger to hit some 3s, but we can't win in a shootout. Gotta be physical and get the ball to Aririguzoh (or Myles) in the post. Make or miss, just use up the clock and make Yale work on both ends.
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