Bvillebison
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03-13-19 09:48 PM - Post#281205
I know the Patriot League winner gets an automatic bid to the NIT but will Bucknell get this since they were only co-champs?
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jkrun80
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03-13-19 09:50 PM - Post#281207
In response to Bvillebison
No, which is a shame.
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Shot Clock
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03-13-19 09:52 PM - Post#281212
In response to jkrun80
No chance. Don't even think about it.
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Bvillebison
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03-13-19 09:53 PM - Post#281213
In response to jkrun80
That stinks. Guess that's it then watching our Bison. Gonna miss Kimbal and Nate. Great seniors. Really think we will be out of it for couple years. Not sure if I saw enough from our young guys to make me feel better about 2019-20 season.
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jkrun80
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03-13-19 09:56 PM - Post#281215
In response to Bvillebison
I will be at the women's game tomorrow making plenty of noise. Bison basketball is not over.
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Bison7882
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03-13-19 10:04 PM - Post#281218
In response to jkrun80
We are spoiled by the automatic NIT bid. Let's face facts. The Bison controlled its own destiny and lost to HC and Navy. I respect Kimbal, Nate, and Nate as much as anyone but they don't deserve an NIT bid based on their body of work this year.
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BUFan
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03-13-19 10:49 PM - Post#281225
In response to Bison7882
CBI or bust.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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03-14-19 12:42 AM - Post#281235
In response to BUFan
CBI or bust.
Just say no.
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Bison54
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03-14-19 07:46 AM - Post#281248
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Pay to play?????
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Bison89
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03-14-19 11:08 AM - Post#281273
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
CBI or bust.
Just say no.
I agree. If we had a very young team that could mature by playing in the CBI, maybe, just maybe, it would make sense.
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Bison137
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NIT Bid 03-14-19 12:21 PM - Post#281282
In response to Bison89
I am not a big fan of these events, but would not be opposed if the seniors want to keep the season going. For those who don'f keep track, there are big differences between the two events. The CIT is sponsored by College Insider and is only for midmajors. It will not take teams with losing records. The CBI caters to mediocre major programs and takes teams with any record if they can draw fans.
In recent years, every PL team except Bucknell, Lafayette, and Navy have gone to one of these tournaments. The CIT, which is only for midmajors, has had American, Army, Boston U (twice), Holy Cross, and Loyola. Colgate (last year) and Lehigh have gone to the CBI.
I like the CIT better because College Insider has supported midmajor basketball. In addition to the many PL teams that have gone, there have been many teams from the Ivy, MAAC, and America East, among others.
One issue is that a team has to be willing to put up money, which can be recouped if it hosts one or more rounds and draws a decent crowd. I doubt the Bucknell administration - which has not supported athletics much in recent years - would guarantee the money. So to accept an invitation, the team might have to find a couple of supportive alums to fund it.
Edited by Bison137 on 03-14-19 12:26 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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BreakinBison
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03-14-19 03:52 PM - Post#281323
In response to Bison137
During the post-game interview with Doug Coach Davis said its NCAA, NIT or nothing.
I'm paraphrasing; however, he said something along the lines of "kids don't come to play basketball at Bucknell to play in those kinds of tournaments (e.g. CIT/CBI)...they come to play in the NCAA or NIT."
Although I can see some value for a young team in those tournaments it sounds like they are done for the year.
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DrBison
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03-14-19 10:20 PM - Post#281388
In response to BreakinBison
Don’t know if it means anything, but the whole team and ND and Coach Meehan were at the women’s game. Perhaps they’re going to continue practicing with a post season tourney in mind.
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bison63
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03-14-19 10:23 PM - Post#281389
In response to BreakinBison
Again, if we’d taken care of business down the stretch, we would have had home court, and the NIT fallback. Spilled milk. No use crying. Time to move on.
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Bison137
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03-14-19 11:30 PM - Post#281398
In response to DrBison
Don’t know if it means anything, but the whole team and ND and Coach Meehan were at the women’s game. Perhaps they’re going to continue practicing with a post season tourney in mind.
Well, if they want to continue, it is a done deal. A bid to CIT and/or CBI is a sure thing.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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03-15-19 09:48 AM - Post#281420
In response to DrBison
Don’t know if it means anything, but the whole team and ND and Coach Meehan were at the women’s game. Perhaps they’re going to continue practicing with a post season tourney in mind.
Via webcasts, I've seen players and coaches at several women's games. I'd imagine this is just a continuation of that support and interest.
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Bison54
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03-15-19 10:27 AM - Post#281425
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Yes, and vice versa as well. Whenever they were in town, virtually all players were there for support.
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BisonFan4
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03-15-19 11:38 AM - Post#281442
In response to Bison54
As much as we all would love to see this team play again, the Championship at Colgate was their final game.
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HuskyColonial
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03-16-19 11:36 AM - Post#281612
In response to BisonFan4
Yep
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BisonKid
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03-17-19 11:29 AM - Post#281766
In response to HuskyColonial
I understand why ND said NCAA/NIT or nothing, but I find it hard to believe that the seniors would not want to play at least one more game even though it's the CBI or CIT. It extends their college careers and, who knows, they could make a decent run. Maybe I'm selfish, but I would love to see one more game.
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HuskyColonial
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03-17-19 12:41 PM - Post#281771
In response to BisonKid
You’re being selfish. 😊
And frankly this team doesn’t deserve another game. That’s not a knock. 20 win season and a tough non-conference schedule. But they lost their NIT bid when they couldn’t take care of business and I’m guessing they all know that better than any of us.
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bison75
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03-17-19 08:56 PM - Post#281848
In response to BisonKid
As expected, we’re not in the field.
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BUFan
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03-17-19 09:33 PM - Post#281855
In response to BisonKid
CBI field is out. We are not in it. Interestingly WVU accepted a bid to it.
Haven’t seen a CIT bracket yet.
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MangyOne
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03-18-19 08:22 AM - Post#281880
In response to BUFan
CIT announced - no Bison. Which is fine, as let's remember these guys as going out proud. Close, but no cigar. But thanks for the memories, and we all wish our seniors a successful future.
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Bison137
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03-18-19 08:35 AM - Post#281881
In response to MangyOne
CIT announced - no Bison. Which is fine, as let's remember these guys as going out proud. Close, but no cigar. But thanks for the memories, and we all wish our seniors a successful future.
Bison are better than the majority of teams in the field. Might have won a few games. I am OK with not accepting a bid, but I hope the seniors had a major voice in the decision.
http://www.collegeinsider.com/tournament/schedule-...
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MrPhillie
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03-18-19 07:16 PM - Post#281962
In response to Bison137
I have no knowledge, just my opinion, and my opinion is that ND probably makes his own decisions. Just observation. I think he beli bra he knows more than anyone else. I could be way off. Fits with his style from what I watch....such as poor sportsmanship at the beginning of games to not have a coach available to shake hands/fist bump opposing players during introductions. Again, just a far away observation.
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Bison54
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03-18-19 09:26 PM - Post#281978
In response to MrPhillie
beli bra?????
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MrPhillie
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03-18-19 10:57 PM - Post#281990
In response to Bison54
Ha...no idea. I’m gonna go with “believesâ€
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Bison54
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03-18-19 11:27 PM - Post#281998
In response to MrPhillie
makes sense. Personally, I prefer the shake/fistbump with players and their counterpart as is done in the tournament games. Doing it one of the underling coaches seems almost absurd.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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03-19-19 09:33 AM - Post#282020
In response to Bison54
How old is that tradition anyway? It seems like it's going overboard. I don't get why it's important to greet the opposing coach before the game.
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Bison137
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03-19-19 10:11 AM - Post#282024
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
How old is that tradition anyway? It seems like it's going overboard. I don't get why it's important to greet the opposing coach before the game.
It's not important, but I agree it creates a bad look when the five Bison starters go over and shake the hand of a waiting opposition coach - but when the opponents are announced they cannot reciprocate because there is no Bison coach available.
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MrPhillie
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03-19-19 05:14 PM - Post#282125
In response to Bison137
How old is that tradition anyway? It seems like it's going overboard. I don't get why it's important to greet the opposing coach before the game.
It's not important, but I agree it creates a bad look when the five Bison starters go over and shake the hand of a waiting opposition coach - but when the opponents are announced they cannot reciprocate because there is no Bison coach available.
Exactly. It is a bad look. Virtually every game that was the case, opposing players come over to shake hands and nobody home. Instead the coaches line up on the baseline like it is a war or something. Meanwhile, Bucknell players get announced and almost always shake hands or hug the opposing coach, often the head coach. I don’t think it is over the top important but what’s wrong with a little sportsmanship? It is obviously something Davis is emphatic about not doing. To me, it’s a bit pathetic. We all have our own opinion.
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BisonKid
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03-19-19 06:11 PM - Post#282134
In response to MrPhillie
This is the first I have heard of this. Not only is it pathetic but it is an embarrassment to the school. If Nathan has an issue with being respectful of the opponent, let an assistant coach do it. I now understand why the team did not accept an offer to play in the CBI or CIT- against ND's blue chip pedigree, I guess. Reminds me of Sean Miller who was "insulted" when he had to play the Bison in the lowly NIT several years ago. The Bison came to play and embarrassed the Wildcats. My guess is that the players wanted to keep playing games this year, whether it was the CBI, CIT or YMCA.
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BisonRoadWarrior
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NIT Bid 03-19-19 10:45 PM - Post#282159
In response to BisonKid
I now understand why the team did not accept an offer to play in the CBI or CIT- against ND's blue chip pedigree, I guess.
I have no knowledge of the deliberations---which would also involve athletic department leadership---but the CBI and CIT are beneath Bucknell's blue chip pedigree. As Davis was quoted as saying in the championship postgame interview, players come to Bucknell with high aspirations of appearing in the NCAA or NIT. I'd like to think they have the maturity to understand a university conclusion that the CBI and CIT are not worthwhile.
To me, those two tournaments are analogous to diploma mills. Instead of paying money to get a diploma, it's paying money to manufacture "post-season" appearances. If Davis was indeed against it, we should applaud him for not being inclined to pad his resume with these tournaments.
Reminds me of Sean Miller who was "insulted" when he had to play the Bison in the lowly NIT several years ago.
I'd bet the ranch Miller never made any such statement. (That's not to say his team came into the game with the right mindset.)
My guess is that the players wanted to keep playing games this year, whether it was the CBI, CIT or YMCA.
Maybe, maybe not. But in a program that sets high standards while developing people with strong, resilient character, do we really want to bend over backward to postpone players' disappointment in the season coming to an end?
It bears repeating that these are pay-to-play events, and I don't think they represent a sound use of donors' money.
Beyond that and everything else above, do you really want to put more wear and tear on Jimmy Sotos and John Meeks to do something like Lehigh did in the 2013 CBI---fly all the way to Wyoming to play in front of a largely empty arena?
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Bison137
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Re: NIT Bid 03-19-19 11:00 PM - Post#282163
In response to BisonRoadWarrior
Reminds me of Sean Miller who was "insulted" when he had to play the Bison in the lowly NIT several years ago.
I'd bet the ranch Miller never made any such statement. (That's not to say his team came into the game with the right mindset.)
I'd agree with that, to the extent of any public statement. Who knows what he said in private and who knows what his players felt. Publicly Miller had this to say prior to the game:
""We are excited to be a No. 1 seed in the NIT and play in front of our great fans. We look forward to the challenge of playing Bucknell, a team that has won a conference championship this season."
After the game, this was the feeling:
"In some respects, UA coach Sean Miller may have seen it coming. He said Monday he wasn't sure how his players would respond to playing in the NIT after coming so close to the NCAA tournament - and experiencing the high of an Elite Eight appearance last season.
Shaking that Colorado loss off became even tougher, he indicated, when forces outside his control cast a downbeat atmosphere into his locker room.
"That's the hard part about being in the NIT," Miller said. "It's a great tournament, and we respected it a great deal and appreciate the opportunity to play in tonight's game. But when you read an article, if you're a member of our team, there's just incredible disappointment.
And one of his key players felt this way:
""We've listened too much to the outside world," Hill said. "Guys didn't understand that we had another chance to play in front of our home crowd, to play again with each other one more time, and get another win even if it wasn't the tournament.
"But there were outside sources. People in their ear who got to them. Great teams have played in this, and once in a while you get in the NIT. Things happen, and you need to get over it.""
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