10Q
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03-14-19 04:41 PM - Post#281329
http://thepenngazette.com/it-was-like-living-in -a-...
My greatest moments as a Penn fan, though the Harvard game is close.
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palestra38
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Re: Great story
03-14-19 04:51 PM - Post#281332
In response to 10Q
Choked away the Florida game, though.
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LyleGold
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03-14-19 05:00 PM - Post#281333
In response to palestra38
"Choked away" is pretty harsh, but I recall Maloney with a John Starks-like 3-18 or something like that.
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10Q
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03-14-19 05:06 PM - Post#281335
In response to LyleGold
Andy Barrata told me that if Maloney had thrown rolled up paper at a wastebasket that day he would have missed.
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penn nation
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Great story
03-14-19 05:08 PM - Post#281336
In response to LyleGold
And with Penns defense making play after play late in the game, Jerome decided to chuck one up from Mineola. Oy.
But the Nebraska win. I was living in Chicago at the time. But my brother who graduated Penn two years after me was at Columbia Law and you had better believe he made his way out to Nassau Coliseum. That’s one thing that wasn’t touched upon in this great article. Nassau is a tremendous facility in terms of generating noise. That helped too.
Edited by penn nation on 03-14-19 05:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TheLine
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03-14-19 05:14 PM - Post#281342
In response to penn nation
That game at Nassau was a great atmosphere. It was like a home game. St. John's played the early game and we might've had more fans there than they did.
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SRP
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03-14-19 05:19 PM - Post#281347
In response to LyleGold
Nice article. I'd forgotten the Huskers had two future NBA guys playing as seniors.
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Quakers03
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Great story
03-14-19 05:21 PM - Post#281349
In response to SRP
I'm still not over not being there in person...What a contenting win it was. Maybe one day I'll get to see a tourney win in person. I'm 0-5 or 6 I believe.
I love that Dave Zeitlin is now a full-time staff member at the Gazette. I can't get enough of these pieces.
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10Q
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Great story
03-14-19 05:25 PM - Post#281352
In response to TheLine
My recollection is that the next game was Florida George mason. Florida narrowly averted an upset. Since I am also a graduate of Florida, this was an amazing bracket for me
Edited by 10Q on 03-14-19 05:25 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Great story
03-14-19 05:25 PM - Post#281353
In response to Quakers03
I remember both Nassau appearances---that and the Rawlings 6-18 against St. John's
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10Q
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03-14-19 05:26 PM - Post#281354
In response to palestra38
I was at that one too.
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13otto
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Re: Great story
03-14-19 06:05 PM - Post#281359
In response to 10Q
My recollection is that the next game was Florida George mason. Florida narrowly averted an upset. Since I am also a graduate of Florida, this was an amazing bracket for me
The second game was actually Florida-James Madison and, yes, JMU should have won that game.
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10Q
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03-14-19 06:08 PM - Post#281360
In response to 13otto
Right. Florida and George Mason met up a few years later during the latter’s Cinderella run.
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penn nation
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03-14-19 06:58 PM - Post#281365
In response to SRP
Allen at one point put on a big time move on one of them—Erick Strickland—that got the crowd buzzing. Brown and Packer took immediate notice.
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penn nation
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Re: Great story
03-14-19 07:01 PM - Post#281366
In response to 10Q
I had already been calling that the Bubbe bracket since those games would have been going on during Passover break.
If you thought the NY area Jewish Penn fans had swarmed Nassau that would have been nothing compared to the Exodus to Miami.
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Penndemonium
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03-14-19 07:19 PM - Post#281369
In response to penn nation
That was a special team in so many ways, but one was that either Maloney or Allen could single handedly break a press with the dribble. There was no loss of ball handling when either was off the floor.
The other was that the front-line players of that era (Trice, Moore, Baratta, Krug, Pierce, etc.) always looked too small or too unathletic against their opponents. Those guys never gave up easy baskets, always got position, and rebounded beyond their size.
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penn nation
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03-14-19 08:03 PM - Post#281374
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The other was that the front-line players of that era (Trice, Moore, Baratta, Krug, Pierce, etc.) always looked too small or too unathletic against their opponents. Those guys never gave up easy baskets, always got position, and rebounded beyond their size.
The spacing. The passing. The teamwork.
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mrjames
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Re: Great story
03-14-19 08:14 PM - Post#281377
In response to 13otto
Weird to think that how at that point in my life, I was ALL IN on the Florida run to the Final Four (was born in Gainesville, so that’s my team), and Penn was merely a footnote.
25 years later things have changed significantly...
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LyleGold
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03-14-19 08:33 PM - Post#281378
In response to penn nation
The spacing. The passing. The teamwork.
That team used the pick and roll to perfection. Eric Moore would set a high screen and either Allen or Maloney would drive right into it. Of course Moore got little respect, so his man would either stay with the ball or hesitate while Eric went to the basket. He cashed in on many layups that way. For some reason Dunphy went to the motion offense with lots of perimeter passing after that, which was often ineffective.
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Ted
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03-14-19 11:07 PM - Post#281395
In response to LyleGold
I missed that game entirely, because my wife and I were traveling to France to visit our daughter, who was studying there for the semester. We took a train from Paris to Marseilles to meet her, and when we got off the train, her very
first words to us were "Dad, Penn won!"
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Chip Bayers
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03-15-19 03:02 PM - Post#281523
In response to LyleGold
The spacing. The passing. The teamwork.
That team used the pick and roll to perfection. Eric Moore would set a high screen and either Allen or Maloney would drive right into it. Of course Moore got little respect, so his man would either stay with the ball or hesitate while Eric went to the basket. He cashed in on many layups that way. For some reason Dunphy went to the motion offense with lots of perimeter passing after that, which was often ineffective.
Dunphy has run a motion offense his entire career, including with that team. A high post set with a read for a pick-n-roll is an elemental part of any motion O.
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LyleGold
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Great story
03-15-19 05:42 PM - Post#281562
In response to Chip Bayers
Dunphy has run a motion offense his entire career, including with that team. A high post set with a read for a pick-n-roll is an elemental part of any motion O.
That's fine, I don't disagree with it in the abstract, but in practice it just wasn't so throughout Dunphy's tenure. I'm sure the later teams practiced it and had it in the playbook, but it didn't feature in games to the same degree. I don't know how often you got down from New York, but the tv coverage wasn't nearly what it is today. If you went to every single home game in the Dunphy era, as well as plenty of road trips, the difference in offensive execution between the Allen-Maloney years and the following decade was quite noticeable. In subsequent years we passed it around and around the perimeter looking for the three, to dump it into the low post, or to drive to the basket and dish or finish. Do you remember Koko or Ugonna setting up high very often, receiving the ball and looking for cutters or rolling to the basket when they didn't? We used to emphasize that element to set up the overall package much more. I remember asking repeatedly for years why we didn't do it anymore. Maybe it was different personnel or something else that accounted for it. I mean, you surely can't say you saw any similarity between Dunphy's attack in the mid 90's and that offensive mess Temple threw at us this year.
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Chip Bayers
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Great story
03-15-19 10:20 PM - Post#281587
In response to LyleGold
High pick-and-roll is only a real threat if you have a big who can pass.
In the Koko-Ugonna years they tended to run more high-low big sets, and not as much 4-wing, 1-big sets where the lane was cleared for a high post p-n-r.
Same for these Temple teams. The bigs ability to pass matters a lot in the sets you favor.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-15-19 10:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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LyleGold
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Re: Great story
03-15-19 11:11 PM - Post#281595
In response to Chip Bayers
Well, that's right because Trice didn't get in Moore's way. I think you leave out the importance of having a big who can catch the ball while rolling to the basket and finish. We've had excellent passing from our bigs this year (especially Max except when he tried to go behind his back), but he tends to set up on the block while AJ fights for position with his back to the basket. Obviously we're talking about a different coach, but Donahue was on Dunphy's staff during the era in question. I think it mostly depends on your personnel.
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