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Chip Bayers 
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Chip Bayers
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03-15-19 03:02 PM - Post#281523    
    In response to LyleGold

  • LyleGold Said:
  • penn nation Said:

The spacing. The passing. The teamwork.




That team used the pick and roll to perfection. Eric Moore would set a high screen and either Allen or Maloney would drive right into it. Of course Moore got little respect, so his man would either stay with the ball or hesitate while Eric went to the basket. He cashed in on many layups that way. For some reason Dunphy went to the motion offense with lots of perimeter passing after that, which was often ineffective.



Dunphy has run a motion offense his entire career, including with that team. A high post set with a read for a pick-n-roll is an elemental part of any motion O.


 
LyleGold 
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Reg: 11-22-04
Great story
03-15-19 05:42 PM - Post#281562    
    In response to Chip Bayers

  • Chip Bayers Said:

Dunphy has run a motion offense his entire career, including with that team. A high post set with a read for a pick-n-roll is an elemental part of any motion O.




That's fine, I don't disagree with it in the abstract, but in practice it just wasn't so throughout Dunphy's tenure. I'm sure the later teams practiced it and had it in the playbook, but it didn't feature in games to the same degree. I don't know how often you got down from New York, but the tv coverage wasn't nearly what it is today. If you went to every single home game in the Dunphy era, as well as plenty of road trips, the difference in offensive execution between the Allen-Maloney years and the following decade was quite noticeable. In subsequent years we passed it around and around the perimeter looking for the three, to dump it into the low post, or to drive to the basket and dish or finish. Do you remember Koko or Ugonna setting up high very often, receiving the ball and looking for cutters or rolling to the basket when they didn't? We used to emphasize that element to set up the overall package much more. I remember asking repeatedly for years why we didn't do it anymore. Maybe it was different personnel or something else that accounted for it. I mean, you surely can't say you saw any similarity between Dunphy's attack in the mid 90's and that offensive mess Temple threw at us this year.

 
Chip Bayers 
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Chip Bayers
Loc: New York
Reg: 11-21-04
Great story
03-15-19 10:20 PM - Post#281587    
    In response to LyleGold

High pick-and-roll is only a real threat if you have a big who can pass.

In the Koko-Ugonna years they tended to run more high-low big sets, and not as much 4-wing, 1-big sets where the lane was cleared for a high post p-n-r.

Same for these Temple teams. The bigs ability to pass matters a lot in the sets you favor.


Edited by Chip Bayers on 03-15-19 10:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
LyleGold 
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Re: Great story
03-15-19 11:11 PM - Post#281595    
    In response to Chip Bayers

Well, that's right because Trice didn't get in Moore's way. I think you leave out the importance of having a big who can catch the ball while rolling to the basket and finish. We've had excellent passing from our bigs this year (especially Max except when he tried to go behind his back), but he tends to set up on the block while AJ fights for position with his back to the basket. Obviously we're talking about a different coach, but Donahue was on Dunphy's staff during the era in question. I think it mostly depends on your personnel.

 
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