Mike Porter
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03-18-19 11:47 PM - Post#282000
In response to james
Hey James - great to have a Yale fan on the board and hope you stick around (and bring some friends). Congrats on well deserved IvyMadness Championship and good luck later this week. I think Yale will give them a challenge and I’ll be rooting for them.
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Mike Porter
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Article on Tournament Location
03-18-19 11:48 PM - Post#282001
In response to Mike Porter
Oh and yeah, the board autocorrects various curse words or insult words.
M0ron for example will be converted to genius and bull$hit will be converted automatically to crap.
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bradley
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 08:00 AM - Post#282008
In response to dtannenwald
Hi Everyone,
I wrote an article for Harvard Magazine about the decision to rotate the tournament location. It draws on interviews with league officials, coaches, AD's, and more. I thought it might be of interest to readers on the board:
https://harvardmagazine.com/node/65254
Thanks,
David
I thought that the article was extremely well written and provided an excellent overview of the thought process by the decision makers. I remember hearing Mitch stating that the committee knew that they would not get everything correct the first time and modifications would have to be made.
Personally, I think that the concept of the rotation amongst IL homecourts was the wrong one but a decision to remain at the Palestra would have been even worse for the players and coaches. Coach Jones comments sums it up best as you shared in the article. Clearly, the Palestra is the best venue if the focus is on marketing and exposure but at least the committee put more weight on competitiveness and fairness as well as doing the right thing.
The obvious and best solution would have picked a permenant neutral site. Prudential Center in Newark or Hartford selection site would have made more sense but .... I would not be surprised if they go back to the drawing board once again as it is after all IvyMadness.
Thanks for sharing.
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palestra38
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 08:03 AM - Post#282010
In response to bradley
I think it is no coincidence that the first 3 sites they scheduled after the Palestra were Yale, Harvard and Princeton.
And I think it very likely that they will go to a neutral site after that.
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mountainred
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 09:02 AM - Post#282017
In response to palestra38
I think it is no coincidence that the first 3 sites they scheduled after the Palestra were Yale, Harvard and Princeton.
And I think it very likely that they will go to a neutral site after that.
One interesting sentence toward the end: "A committee of coaches and administrators is also examining potential shifts to the current regular-season schedule of back-to-back games on Friday and Saturday nights."
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weinhauers_ghost
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 10:31 AM - Post#282029
In response to mountainred
I think it is no coincidence that the first 3 sites they scheduled after the Palestra were Yale, Harvard and Princeton.
And I think it very likely that they will go to a neutral site after that.
One interesting sentence toward the end: "A committee of coaches and administrators is also examining potential shifts to the current regular-season schedule of back-to-back games on Friday and Saturday nights."
SACRILEGE!!!
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Go Green
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 11:25 AM - Post#282044
In response to palestra38
And I think it very likely that they will go to a neutral site after that.
If so, that will really p_ss off Brown, Dartmouth and the Cs.
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palestra38
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 11:34 AM - Post#282049
In response to Go Green
If H,Y and Pr (to a slightly lesser extent) want something, they get it.
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mrjames
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 01:25 PM - Post#282070
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Yeah... sorry folks, but I've been hearing that too. Some scheduling changes are almost certain to happen, it may stop short of the six back-to-backs, but I understand it's likely those will be impacted in some way.
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palestra38
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 01:32 PM - Post#282072
In response to mrjames
Only the Saturday night games are sacrosanct. If they got rid of Saturday night games in the middle of winter for Sunday afternoon games, I would have to think twice about keeping season tickets---winter days are too short to begin with.
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Chip Bayers
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 02:44 PM - Post#282086
In response to palestra38
They already dabbled in this to get games on linear TV on Sunday afternoons, prior to the ESPN+ deal.
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SRP
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03-19-19 03:12 PM - Post#282091
In response to Chip Bayers
The debranding process continues.
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weinhauers_ghost
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03-19-19 03:44 PM - Post#282096
In response to SRP
The debranding process continues.
Next stop: anonymous mid-majordom.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 05:46 PM - Post#282128
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Friday/Sunday weekends is not desirable for student athletes. Assume they have to do their work at some point, and traveling from Friday morning through Sunday night for 6 consecutive weeks isn't optimal.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 03-19-19 05:46 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Stuart Suss
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03-19-19 05:48 PM - Post#282129
In response to weinhauers_ghost
I am creating a separate thread to discuss reforms of the Ivy League schedule.
This thread should remain for discussion of tournament sites.
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bradley
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Re: Article on Tournament Location
03-19-19 06:57 PM - Post#282140
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
I believe in tradition and sometimes I am referred to as a dinosaur but what interests me is how does the IL improve the quality of play and maintain a level playing field.
It seems that injuries are becoming far more common in college sports including the IL. Playing back to back games is not conducive to having healthy athelets let alone non-fatigued athletes. Grown men, NBA, talk about the challenges of playing back to backs. In this era of planes, playing one game during the week and one game on Saturday might well enhance the quality of play.
Although IL players do an incredible job of playing hard too nights in a row, logically it is simply more challenging.
I have no issues in playing on a Tuesday or Wednesday and a Saturday night.
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Mike Porter
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03-20-19 12:06 AM - Post#282178
In response to bradley
Oops I read threads out of order, so did comment on Stu's separate thread, but yep I'm with Bradley on this one for sure.
I've often wondered if some of the injuries we've seen in league are a result of the back to backs. I also would kind of like something like a Tues/Weds and Sat game. I have to think players would agree and hopefully it would help keep more guys healthy.
I think we should stick to Sat night, but even as a fan, doing a mid week game just means more basketball to look forward to in a week (rather than condensed games in short period).
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