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Username Post: Coach Banghart        (Topic#22978)
Go Green 
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Coach Banghart
04-30-19 12:06 PM - Post#284018    
    In response to SRP

  • SRP Said:
If the players were hoping for a less-intense coach, they are likely to be disappointed.



You can be intense without being an a-hole.

Buddy Teevens and Tom Gilmore are examples.

Edited by Go Green on 04-30-19 12:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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04-30-19 02:09 PM - Post#284021    
    In response to SRP

The question is whether she can recruit. It remains to be seen. It is a different world outside the Ivy League.

 
sparman 
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04-30-19 04:35 PM - Post#284029    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

True, but UNC tends to sell itself. Not like trying to adapt PU recruiting pitches to Fairfield.

 
penn nation 
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04-30-19 05:44 PM - Post#284030    
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  • sparman Said:
True, but UNC tends to sell itself. Not like trying to adapt PU recruiting pitches to Fairfield.



Not quite the slam dunk it used to be, after recent scandals with both the men and the women.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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04-30-19 06:18 PM - Post#284032    
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  • sparman Said:
True, but UNC tends to sell itself. Not like trying to adapt PU recruiting pitches to Fairfield.



I am thinking more of recruiting at Northwestern and Georgetown, relative to the rest of each league. Not to mention Richmond and American.

UNC finished 8th in the ACC. I don't think UNC is necessarily more attractive than Notre Dame, Louisville, etc. Heck, even Duke women aren't near the top.

And because of the aforementioned scandals, the academic bar will be higher than in the past for admission and graduation.

 
sparman 
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Coach Banghart
04-30-19 06:22 PM - Post#284033    
    In response to penn nation

I believe the scandals have no perceptible effect. First, different coaches and staffs. Second, we have seen this story before, yet they continue to have no trouble staying competitive talent-wise.

The reality is UNC, as one of historic members of a prestige basketball league with national cachet, still represents the golden ticket for most HS players.

Meanwhile their men's program will probably continue to do atrocious things.

 
Go Green 
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04-30-19 06:37 PM - Post#284034    
    In response to sparman


And it just occurred to me with the Ivy League Tournament's #1 most vocal opponent leaving for Carolina, Ivy Madness is definitely here to stay!!!



 
sparman 
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Coach Banghart
04-30-19 07:12 PM - Post#284035    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

I would say:

1) Poor performance by UNC has been the past couple of years; historically they have been a strong ACC team.

2) I don't think of serious academic standards when I think of UNC athletics.

We will see.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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Re: Coach Banghart
04-30-19 07:44 PM - Post#284036    
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  • sparman Said:


I don't think of serious academic standards when I think of UNC athletics.





Agreed, but they under pressure to restore a modicum of credibility.

 
penn nation 
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Re: Coach Banghart
04-30-19 08:24 PM - Post#284037    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Banghart's Twitter account changed likethat.

All UNC stuff. Same feeds. Ignore previous signature that said something to the like of "great staff, great players--the best".

Well, I guess something was better. Not a single word about the transition.

 
dperry 
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Re: Coach Banghart
04-30-19 09:16 PM - Post#284040    
    In response to sparman

I think that there's a lot of potential at UNC, but the expectations are also very high. People there are going to expect to be in the ACC hunt every year and to make the Final Four every five. Furthermore, during most of her tenure in the Ivies there was only one other team that was a serious threat (Harvard early on, Penn recently), whereas in the ACC there are going to be three or four highly ranked teams to contend with every year. There's also the question of whether the skills needed to recruit in the arcane Ivy situation can be successfully adapted to a Power 5 environment. That being said, this is easily the best upper-echelon opportunity any Ivy coach of either sex has had in modern times, and I have no doubt she'll have good teams there--it's just that good may not be enough in this situation.
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dperry 
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Re: Coach Banghart
04-30-19 09:25 PM - Post#284041    
    In response to penn nation

  • penn nation Said:
Banghart's Twitter account changed likethat.

All UNC stuff. Same feeds. Ignore previous signature that said something to the like of "great staff, great players--the best".

Well, I guess something was better. Not a single word about the transition.



In fairness, her departing statement to the media was highly appreciative.
David Perry
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To thee, Pennsylvania/All rivals must bow!!!"


 
sparman 
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Re: Coach Banghart
05-01-19 03:10 AM - Post#284045    
    In response to dperry

  • dperry Said:
Furthermore, during most of her tenure in the Ivies there was only one other team that was a serious threat (Harvard early on, Penn recently), whereas in the ACC there are going to be three or four highly ranked teams to contend with every year.


Another fair point.


 
Tiger69 
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05-01-19 08:33 AM - Post#284052    
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Last time I wear an overpriced pair of Nikes! Would I be correct in assuming she didn’t receive a salary bump from Nike while at Princeton? Kind of hard to keep a good coach when jock powers can throw that kind of $ at them. Coach B deserves what she can get. But, this is hardly a level playing field.

 
Go Green 
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05-01-19 08:45 AM - Post#284053    
    In response to Tiger69

  • Tiger69 Said:
Kind of hard to keep a good coach when jock powers can throw that kind of $ at them. Coach B deserves what she can get. But, this is hardly a level playing field.



Nor is it a new one.

There's a LONG list of Ivy coaches going to greener pastures with (presumably) higher paychecks. Just to throw out women's basketball, the equivalent of Banghart in the late 1980s/early 1990s was Dartmouth's Jacqueline Hullah. She left for Arizona State.

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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05-01-19 06:53 PM - Post#284091    
    In response to Go Green

  • Go Green Said:


There's a LONG list of Ivy coaches going to greener pastures with (presumably) higher paychecks. Just to throw out women's basketball, the equivalent of Banghart in the late 1980s/early 1990s was Dartmouth's Jacqueline Hullah. She left for Arizona State.



Interesting. I looked it up-she lasted 3 years, never finishing above 9th in the conference.




 
Go Green 
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05-02-19 05:09 AM - Post#284095    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Those that don't go to the Voy Board, an ESPN commentator is unimpressed with the Banghart hiring.

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basket ball/stor...

 
1LotteryPick1969 
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05-02-19 06:46 AM - Post#284096    
    In response to Go Green

Thanks for posting this. It is a far more articulate expression of my concerns. Especially regarding the recruiting "shark tank".

 
rbg 
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05-02-19 12:32 PM - Post#284119    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Here's a rebuttal to the ESPN article from a journalist who covers UNC.

https://chapelboro.com/wchl/features/sports- notebo...


 
bradley 
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05-02-19 08:31 PM - Post#284127    
    In response to rbg

Thanks for sharing. As previously stated, Coach Banghart has been the most successful IL coach, women or men, over the past 10 years by a significant margin. She came into a struggling program and got the Tiger's women on their feet within 3 years. I would be surprised if she does not turn around the Tar Heel program.

She is one of those coaches that can best be described as simply a "winner". She has gifts as to how to handle her players on and off the court. The Tar Heels will be thrilled to have hired her. I always envision the possibility that she could become the first woman to coach a men's Division I program but who knows what will happen over the next several years.

She leaves the Princeton program in very good hands based on her recruiting especially for the upcoming year but she will be very difficult, if not impossible, to replace. She obviously impressed the Tar Heel AD and administration which is no surprise to people that know her.

Some folks in the IL did not like her because she spoke her mind and was not intimidated -- wonderful quality when you can back it up.

 
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