james
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04-15-19 12:33 PM - Post#283658
In response to james
agree on point about swain. He showed a decent floater at times to complement his sniping ability.
that will be impt going forward given his size.
gabiddon is tough. He missed last year and the end of this yr with injuries but he flashed well when he played.
kelly I saw some in high school. He is elite athletically in an Ivy League context. But his jumper wasn’t as consistent. He was a good finisher esp w Wendell but his weaknessss came out a bit when Wendell left. Besides a great half against Vermont you didn’t see much this year bc he didn’t play much.
cotton is ultra talented. but it’s back to has he developed given limited playing time this yr?
lanford is a physical beast. But he basically just dunked a lot on a high school team with a lottery pick and Aaron nesmith.
hard to see him displacing Atkinson in the interim.
I like alausa. Crazy wingspan. Might be in the rotation
W Williams. That’s 4 talented posts returning+ Jarvis who is a stud.
So it’s really who steps up to fill the void in guard play and does bruner become elite? In my eyes. And this Mahoney kid is an elite shooter. Has to be in the mix.
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welcometothejungle
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2019-20 Projections
10-10-19 04:18 PM - Post#288469
In response to james
Picked up Lindys Sports' preview magazine the other day…Their projections for the league are:
1. Harvard (ranked #32 overall and projected to make the 2nd round of the NCAAs)
2. Penn
3. Yale
4. Princeton
5. Columbia
6. Brown
7. Dartmouth
8. Cornell
Awards Projections:
1st Team All-Ivy: Aiken, Brodeur, Choh, Towns, Aririguzoh
2nd Team: Betley, Kirkwood, Smith, Bruner, Knight
POY: Aiken, ROY: Lorca-Lloyd
They also had 6 "honor roll categories":
Best Shooter - Barry
Best Rebounder - Brodeur
Best Playmaker - Smith
Best Defender - Bruner
Most Versatile - Choh
Best NBA Prospect - Towns
Pretty uncontroversial picks all around looks like, no real surprises. Lorca-Lloyd over Ledlum as ROY may be a minor upset since Ledlum was ranked higher out of HS but not sure. Any other early contenders for ROY who look like they'll get a lot of opportunity around the league early on? Sounded like Dingle at Penn figures to get time in their guard rotation, have to imagine 1 or 2 of the Princeton frosh will slide into the rotation there as well. Not sure about the rest of the league
Edited by welcometothejungle on 10-10-19 04:22 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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SomeGuy
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-10-19 10:35 PM - Post#288476
In response to welcometothejungle
I think this may underestimate Brown. I think more Anderson will replace a lot of the lost scoring. Okolie’s defense may be tougher to replace, but I think they could finish as high as third (maybe even 2nd if Penn has health issues again).
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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10-10-19 10:44 PM - Post#288477
In response to SomeGuy
ROY to Lorca-Lloyd over Ledlum is not at all unlikely. L-L is immediately crucial for Penn due to the lack of depth for bigs whereas Ledlum will play behind Towns, Bassey, Kirkwood and possibly even Djuricic.
Barry is out for the season.
Choh as most versatile might be pressed by Bassey/Kirkwood.
Hoping that Lindys has good information re. Towns.
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SomeGuy
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10-10-19 10:55 PM - Post#288479
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
While I agree Penn has room for Lorca-Lloyd to step right in, I am not so sure he will be ready to be ROY. In fact, I don’t think he is the most likely Penn freshman to compete for the award (though again I agree that Penn has a decent chance of having the ROY).
On Harvard, they are so deep that they could literally play two full lines like Yale did in ‘02. The problem Jones ran into was if fouls or injuries impacting one of the lines, guys weren’t accustomed to playing with the other group. Harvard is so deep that Tommy could literally play two five man lines, and then have three backups for each group (so two teams of 8). Remarkable.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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10-10-19 11:16 PM - Post#288480
In response to SomeGuy
I still believe that Robert Baker is incredible versatile. If he could learn to post near the basket he'd create some incredible matchup problems.
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mrjames
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10-11-19 08:57 AM - Post#288482
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
It’s entirely possible that Sakota ends the year with a better ROY case than Ledlum. It’s harder to integrate a rookie high-usage playmaker into a lineup already full of veteran high-usage playmakers than it is to throw in a three-point sniper. For instance, Corbin Miller had nearly the same level of impact on that veteran 2011-12 Harvard team as a freshman as Wesley Saunders did.
Injuries could change all that (Kirkwood got to shine early due to Towns being out), but at full strength, it’s easy to see a scenario where Sakota’s shooting is more important to Harvard than Ledlum’s ability to be efficient at high usage.
All that being said, if Harvard has any serious ROY candidates, then its season didn’t go to plan. Right now, I like Columbia, Princeton and Yale as the right combo of opportunity and talent to produce an ROY.
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HGA
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 10:12 AM - Post#288487
In response to welcometothejungle
I see Yale as a stretch at #3 given what they lost from last year -- the starting 1,2, and 3 positions. They do have a good coach but unproven talent coming in.
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Old Bear
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 02:33 PM - Post#288502
In response to SomeGuy
I think you may be right SG, Brown will be much deeper than last. Okolie’s D will be missed for sure, but the offense should not be a problem. There are a couple of Freshmen who will contribute right away, maybe more than two.
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PennFan10
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10-11-19 04:14 PM - Post#288505
In response to Old Bear
I really like the Chicago, Perry Cowan, for Brown. He is going to be a high level Ivy guard.
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welcometothejungle
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2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 04:14 PM - Post#288506
In response to Old Bear
https://www.three-man-weave.com/3mw/ivy-league-202...
3 Man Weave published their Ivy League preview today, typically one of the more in-depth and statistically backed previews out there, definitely would encourage people to read the entire preview. As a fan of the league it's nice to see close looks at lineup combinations and things like that.
(Tier 1)
1. Harvard
2. Penn
3. Princeton
(Tier 2)
4. Yale
5. Columbia
6. Dartmouth
7. Brown
(Tier 3)
8. Cornell
First Team: Aiken (POY), Smith, Knight, Towns, Brodeur
Second Team: Llewellyn, Betley, Choh, Bruner, Tape
ROY: Dingle, Best Newcomer: Ary-Turner
Another preview that is quite down on Brown, and surprisingly high on Dartmouth even without Barry
Edited by welcometothejungle on 10-11-19 04:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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1LotteryPick1969
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 05:27 PM - Post#288508
In response to welcometothejungle
Thanks for the link. It is a nice read.
My only quibble is Arirguzoh third team All Ivy.
But that's why we play the games.
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bradley
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 05:46 PM - Post#288510
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
I am not sure if Richmond will raise his game to another level as it would require him to be able to have a 10 to 15 foot jump shot although he does have a smooth FT shooting motion. He had massive improvement from sophomore to junior but it will be a lot more challenging this year.
It was interesting to Llewellyn showing up on 2nd team. He clearly has the potential for taking a giant step but time will tell if he takes a similar jump that Richmond took last year.
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SomeGuy
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 06:08 PM - Post#288513
In response to welcometothejungle
Little surprised nobody has Goodman as even second team.
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welcometothejungle
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 06:53 PM - Post#288514
In response to SomeGuy
Yeah, could definitely see Goodman in that conversation. 3MW has Goodman, Swain, Boeheim, Atkinson, Aririguzoh on their 3rd team, as well as Ledlum, Sakota, Ary-Turner, Dingle, and Smoyer on their all-newcomers team
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GoBigGreenBasketball
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 Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-11-19 08:12 PM - Post#288515
In response to welcometothejungle
This is the best news I've heard all day. With declining wins in league we are a little pessimistic over in the Dartmouth forum. This ray of sunshine should break through some of the clouds that overhang our forum. I'm going to post it wholesale. All credit to welcometothejungle. 
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Old Bear
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10-11-19 09:10 PM - Post#288517
In response to GoBigGreenBasketball
Please join me on wishing Zack Husacker, Brown Co-Captain, on his wedding tomorrow.
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Naismith
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10-11-19 09:42 PM - Post#288519
In response to Old Bear
No pressure on Harvard after that Weave build up.
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GoBigGreenBasketball
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2019-20 Projections
10-13-19 01:54 PM - Post#288541
In response to james
Ivy League Preview College Hoops Overtime
Ivy League Preview Podcast
The Ivy League champions last year were led by an explosive player that went on to play in the NBA during the 2018-19 season and Greg thinks a team with two explosive players should run this conference in 2019-20. He also looks at how the conference playing on back to back days leads to a lot of value on totals and Eli Hershkovich of Radio.com helps Greg look at the advanced analytics of these teams before he gives his projected order of finish!
FYI These guys murder the pronunciation of everyone's name ðŸ˜
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Edited by GoBigGreenBasketball on 10-13-19 02:14 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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bradley
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Re: 2019-20 Projections
10-14-19 08:38 PM - Post#288565
In response to welcometothejungle
Unlike the prior year, I cannot find any well established NBA mock draft websites that have any IL men's player as projected in the 1st or 2nd round. Although the depth of the IL seems to be improving, it appears that there is still a long way to go to secure the highest talent level if it is at all possible. The NBA scouts are normally pretty good as to assessing talent that can play in the league.
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