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Username Post: Next year's schedule        (Topic#23083)
barryw 
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09-03-19 12:39 PM - Post#287390    
    In response to section110

Howard is the last team. What was NJ school for the Blind unavailable.

 
rbg 
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09-04-19 02:31 PM - Post#287420    
    In response to barryw

The full schedule has been posted.

https://pennathletics.com/news/2019/9/3/mens-ba ske...

https://pennathletics.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbbal...

11/05/19 at Alabama
11/09/19 at Rice
11/13/19 vs La Salle
11/19/19 at Lafayette
11/23/19 at Providence (non-bracketed game Wooden Legacy)
11/28/19 vs UCF (Wooden Legacy)
11/29/19 vs Arizona/Pepperdine (Wooden Legacy)
12/01/19 vs Charleston, Long Beach, Wake Forest, or Providence (Wooden Legacy)
12/04/19 at Villanova
12/21/19 vs Widener
12/30/19 at Howard
01/04/20 vs Princeton
01/11/20 at Princeton
01/18/20 vs St. Joe's
01/25/20 vs Temple
01/31/20 vs Harvard
02/01/20 vs Dartmouth
02/07/20 at Columbia
02/08/20 at Cornell
02/14/20 vs Brown
02/15/20 vs Yale
02/21/20 at Dartmouth
02/22/20 at Harvard
02/28/20 at Yale
02/29/20 at Brown
03/06/20 vs Cornell
03/07/20 vs Columbia

 
mrjames 
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09-04-19 02:45 PM - Post#287421    
    In response to rbg

I'm ecstatic right now.

Good for Steve for playing all the angles here. Folks on here that also catch me on the twitters will know that I've been begging Ivies to try this for some years now. I had always gotten mixed reads on whether it was even possible, but this clearly means it is.

I hope that this opens the floodgates...

Awesome stuff.

 
mbaprof 
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09-04-19 04:44 PM - Post#287426    
    In response to mrjames

Please explain why this is good


 
section110 
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09-04-19 05:27 PM - Post#287427    
    In response to mbaprof

We get to play four higher profile teams, three of them on neutral courts. So it is a chance to show the tournament selection committee the improvement that is taking place in the league.

 
westcoast 
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09-04-19 07:12 PM - Post#287429    
    In response to mbaprof

I'll try to explain why I think Mrjames thinks this is good (as do I)...

The NCAA allows teams to schedule up to 29 games without playing in a multi-team event (MTE) or up to 27 games plus 1 MTE (with up to 4 games) This could create a total of 31 games.

The Ivy League has an additional rule that teams can only play in 2 MTEs over a 4 year span.

Penn has found a way around the Ivy League rule. They are playing in an MTE, but not counting it toward the 27+4 schedule, but instead are counting all of those games as part of their schedule. So they are counting the 4 MTE games as just 4 games, which seems to bypass the silly Ivy League rule. This gives Penn more chances to play quality opponents in a neutral setting, which is almost impossible without playing in an MTE.



 
PennFan10 
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09-04-19 11:29 PM - Post#287432    
    In response to westcoast

Thus only 11 home games this year. That's the trade off.

 
Mike Porter 
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09-05-19 12:00 AM - Post#287434    
    In response to PennFan10

Yep while it is a shame that home schedule is dreadful, this is definitely the best option for the team. Gives more quality opponents in games in neutral setting, is great for recruits to say we are going to these big tournaments and playing a tough schedule, etc.

Added bonus for me that it means games in LA area that I can attend in person.

 
palestra38 
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09-05-19 07:20 AM - Post#287436    
    In response to Mike Porter

It's the lack of communication with season ticket holders and the blithe assumption that despite playing no quality non-Ivy or Big 5 opponents at home (and playing 3 fewer games), we will happily pay the same amount for the tickets that bothers me. It would not be hard for them to try and explain what they are doing and perhaps throw us tickets to the Providence game (which will be far from a sell out) if we want them. I re-upped, of course, but this is terrible outreach.

 
Jeff2sf 
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09-05-19 09:25 AM - Post#287440    
    In response to palestra38

it's interesting that you phrase it as communication, p38. I guess I wouldn't care how it was communicated, I'd just be urinated about the price rise for fewer games and none of which non-conf are particularly interesting.

As fans we have to keep in mind that the schedule is pretty interesting, competitive, etc. As consumers, some of us are getting screwed (not me, I'm not a season ticket holder).

 
palestra38 
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09-05-19 09:48 AM - Post#287442    
    In response to Jeff2sf

It's pure communication because they probably know that the few season ticket holders they have are so loyal that they wouldn't give up their tickets despite getting screwed like this. Something like "We know that you are a loyal supporter and further hope you know that the opportunity to play superior competition is good for our players and programs. Thus, we ask you as our most passionate fans to excuse the fact that we may have a lean home schedule this year. Despite the fact that Penn is a multi-billion dollar corporation that easily could afford to do this, we ask you to understand that our departmental budget is still limited and we have allocated the same ticket revenue to that budget as we did last year. So, even though it makes no sense at all, please pay the same amount this year for 3 fewer games and essentially no home basketball for the first two months of the season." Your Pals at the Penn Athletics Dept. P.S. We may have some freebies for Providence if you want to take a drive or Amtrak (it's right near the station)

 
10Q 
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09-05-19 10:50 AM - Post#287446    
    In response to palestra38

They take you for granted.

 
palestra38 
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09-05-19 11:03 AM - Post#287447    
    In response to 10Q

Yes, that's exactly my point.

 
10Q 
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09-05-19 11:19 AM - Post#287449    
    In response to palestra38

If they even think about you at all

 
SteveChop 
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Next year's schedule
09-05-19 12:17 PM - Post#287454    
    In response to palestra38

I confronted the ticket office about this the other day. In a prior post, I noted that I am retired and therefore had time to bang my head against the wall.

The "explanation" that I was given (please do not shoot the messenger!) was that if they reduced the price this year, next year when there are (presumably) a more traditional number of home games (more on that in a second), they would have to raise the prices and it would be confusing to explain to fans. Yes - because if you were not a math major, Wharton student or engineering grad, you would be unable to divide the total cost by the number of games to arrive at a per game ticket price. They noted that to make up for this, season ticket holders would be given the following


Concessions credit: vouchers will be included in your season ticket package. The quantity of food vouchers you receive will be equal to the quantity of season tickets in your account. Show your vouchers at any concessions stand in The Palestra to use your credit. [Note - we have gotten these in the past few seasons already. Amount to be determined]
Penn Basketball Yearbook: one voucher will be included in your season ticket package. Show your voucher at the box office in The Palestra on the day or night of a game to pick up your yearbook. [Also a past benefit though I never received one last year]
Away and post-season games: You will receive a separate e-mail with instructions on purchasing away game tickets. [Again a past benefit]
Personal Account Executive: Account executives are here to answer your questions! To reach your account executive call 215-898-6151. [Oh boy! You can direct questions to a specified person]
Complimentary tickets to a Penn Football and Penn Women's Basketball game: After your selection has been made your complimentary tickets will be sent to you via e-mail. The quantity of complimentary tickets you receive will be equal to the quantity of season tickets in your account. [While this does have some value, did anyone ask for this "benefit" - I received no answer to that. If, like me, you attend men's Ivy road games, most women's BBall games will be impossible to attend. And where will these seats be?]
Ask the Coaches Video Series: You will receive exclusive communication throughout the season which features a coach answering a question submitted by a season ticket holder! Season ticket holders can submit multiple questions. Submission does not guarantee your question will be selected. [Could be fun but how often? Our coaches are also pretty approachable if you want an answer to a question]
Chalk Talk: After the Red and Blue Scrimmage on Saturday, October 19 season ticket holders will be invited to hear from the Coaches about the upcoming season. Details will be sent via e-mail closer to the date. [This could be fun but isn't this, to an extent, part of the coaching staff's job, i.e. to interface with interested alumni]

The ticket office indicated that it "had been told by higher ups" that next year, Penn would return to a more typical number of home games and the price would not be increased over this year's prices. Surprise! They would not guarantee me that would be the case. I noted that Penn could go to another MTE next year (since they went to ones in 2017-2018 and 2018-2019) and run into the same scheduling issue because of the ridiculous Ivy rule that Mike James noted above. I told them that I was pretty sure that such a decision had not yet been made as invitations to 2020-2021 tournaments had not yet been issued and such a decision might depend on how this year's participation in the Wooden Tournament works out.

My head now hurts from banging it against the wall. See you all on October 19th!





Edited by SteveChop on 09-05-19 12:19 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
westcoast 
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09-05-19 12:31 PM - Post#287456    
    In response to SteveChop

It's not clear to me that this year's home schedule is directly related to the MTE issue. The NCAA rules are either 29 games, or 27 + 4 (MTE).

Penn has only 27 games scheduled. If they are not counting the MTE as an MTE, it seems like they could have scheduled 2 more games. Maybe they just couldn't find two more fits into their schedule?

 
mrjames 
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Reg: 11-21-04
09-05-19 01:41 PM - Post#287459    
    In response to westcoast

Lots to clear up here.

First, Ivies were only allowed 28 games prior to the Ivy Tourney and are now only allowed 27 games (despite the NCAA rule allowing for 29 or 27 + MTE). That's in addition to the 2-in-4 MTE rule (whereas the rest of the NCAA can do one every year). So, in a four-year span for Ivies, they can do 27 twice and 26 + MTE twice.

Second, I'm slightly less bullish on this now that I was when I first posted it, and I suspect Penn season ticket holders might get hit with a small double-whammy here next year as well. I'll let Penninsiders figure that one out, though...

Ultimately, context will matter in how this gamble is judged. Penn should be a favorite in the opening round against UCF and could get Arizona and either Wake or Providence (again) - games they'd really struggle to get without having to travel to a hostile road environment. If they get UCF, Pepperdine and LBSU/CofC, then maybe you'd rather go to the mystery box to see what you could have gotten normally.

All in, I think this is very worth it and a smart gamble.

 
13otto 
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13otto
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Reg: 11-22-04
09-05-19 01:47 PM - Post#287460    
    In response to westcoast

  • westcoast Said:
It's not clear to me that this year's home schedule is directly related to the MTE issue. The NCAA rules are either 29 games, or 27 + 4 (MTE).

Penn has only 27 games scheduled. If they are not counting the MTE as an MTE, it seems like they could have scheduled 2 more games. Maybe they just couldn't find two more fits into their schedule?


Negative. Since the start of the Ivy tournament three years ago, without an MTE, the Ivy League teams are limited to 27 games, not 29.
http://www.letsgoquakers.com/


 
palestra38 
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Re: Next year&#039;s schedule
09-05-19 03:59 PM - Post#287462    
    In response to SteveChop

We are getting nothing this year that we did not get in the past (I don't include the post-Red and Blue Scrimmage information session). Again, I just see this as a communications and marketing blunder. Why p.iss off your most loyal (and only ticket buying) fans?

 
10Q 
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Loc: Suburban Philly
Reg: 11-21-04
09-05-19 04:28 PM - Post#287463    
    In response to palestra38

Because you are nothing in their eyes.

 
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