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Username Post: Around the Patriot League 2019-20        (Topic#23164)
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07-01-19 10:36 PM - Post#285498    

Holy Cross starting PG Caleb Green has entered the transfer portal. I'm not sure if this means he is definitely gone, however, as he could just be exploring his options while he waits to see who the new coach will be. That decision should be announced within about two weeks. (Note: July 11-14 is a big recruiting period, so it would make sense for HC to make a decision within 10 days.)




 
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07-01-19 11:05 PM - Post#285499    
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In addition to Caleb Green, here are the other known PL transfers:

American: Starting forward Sam Iorio, a rising junior, has transferred to South Alabama.

Boston U: Starting forward Tyler Scanan, a rising senior, is in the portal, but has not yet made a decision. Presumably he will be a graduate transfer with immediate eligibility.

Boston U: Jordan Guest, a rising soph who played a lot of minutes, is in the portal. He was suspended the last five weeks of the season and was not expected back.

Bucknell: We all know that Nate Sestina could not return for a 5th year and ended up at Kentucky.

Lafayette: Auston Evans, a 5th year SF who played a lot as a soph before missing his junior year due to injury and then rarely playing this year, is leaving for Drury University. Doesn't really affect LC.

Lehigh; Pat Andree, a rising senior who started at PF for LU for the last two years, has gone to NC State as a graduate transfer.

Lehigh: Caleb Bennett, a rising junior who averaged about 20 mpg the past two years at the two and the three - and who would likely have started this year - has transferred to Missouri Western, near his home. He missed the last four weeks of this season with an injury.

Navy: Josiah Strong, a rising soph PG/SG, who looked like a likely starter, has transferred to Iowa Western Community College. He averaged 13 mpg over the last month of the season, backing up graduating Hassan Abdullah.

Navy: Danny Ogele, a rising junior PF, played a lot the first half of the year but then saw his minutes dwindle. He is in the portal but no destination has been announced.

Navy: Isaiah Burnett, a rising junior wing, played a lot the first half of the year but much less the second half. Transferring to Stonehill in Mass.


In addition to the above, three players who rarely played are also leaving: Hugh Baxter (Colgate PF), Kyle Marion (Navy CG), and Jaylon Terrell (Navy SG).




 
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07-02-19 04:25 PM - Post#285531    
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Boston U: Starting forward Tyler Scanan, a rising senior, is in the portal, but has not yet made a decision. Presumably he will be a graduate transfer with immediate eligibility.






Scanlon to Belmont. I was expecting a somewhat better school.




 
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07-03-19 09:42 AM - Post#285547    
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It looks like Holy Cross has its new coach: Brett Nelson, the Associate Head Coach at Marquette since 2017.

I wonder whether Caleb Green will change his mind and stay. I suspect no more Princeton Offense at HC.

 
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07-03-19 09:56 AM - Post#285548    
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Next stop? The Big East!

 
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07-03-19 11:06 AM - Post#285550    
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Not too long ago, HC hired another Associate Head Coach from a big midwestern Catholic school who had no head coaching experience at any level. That coach didn't recruit much in the Northeast and didn't have to worry much about the players' academics. That coach was Sean Kearney. Hopefully this hire will work out just as well, although I suspect it will be a bit better.




 
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07-03-19 01:49 PM - Post#285559    
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Not too long ago, HC hired another Associate Head Coach from a big midwestern Catholic school who had no head coaching experience at any level. That coach didn't recruit much in the Northeast and didn't have to worry much about the players' academics. That coach was Sean Kearney. Hopefully this hire will work out just as well, although I suspect it will be a bit better.



I wonder why more schools don't follow the D3 head coach to D1 head coach model that has served Bucknell so well. It is successful and must cost less money than hiring from major programs.
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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07-04-19 07:50 PM - Post#285613    
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  • Bison137 Said:
Holy Cross starting PG Caleb Green has entered the transfer portal. I'm not sure if this means he is definitely gone, however, as he could just be exploring his options while he waits to see who the new coach will be. That decision should be announced within about two weeks. (Note: July 11-14 is a big recruiting period, so it would make sense for HC to make a decision within 10 days.)




HC starting forward Jacob Grandison has now entered the transfer portal. He started every game the past 1.5 years. Caleb Green and Grandison were the top two Crusaders in minutes played.




 
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07-04-19 08:12 PM - Post#285615    
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Some would argue we’ve gotten lucky too.

 
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07-05-19 07:16 AM - Post#285622    
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Some would argue we’ve gotten lucky too.



Husky, I understand the sentiment. That being said, Bucknell has hired highly successful coaches with head coaching experience. These coaches have continued to be successful against higher level competition.

Has Bucknell been lucky? Sure luck plays into any new hire at any level, but you can tilt the scales in your favor by hiring quality, successful people who can be expected to continue to have success. In short, either you can coach or you can't coach. Bucknell's formula works.
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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08-04-19 08:51 PM - Post#286731    
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Sounds like Loyola may have landed a difference maker:

"Tavaras Hardy has a good one coming into Loyola (Md): Skilled 6-11 freshman Santi Aldama led Spain to title and was MVP at the FIBA U18 European Championships in Greece. Led all players in efficiency, had a plus-minus of +141, averaged 18 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 2.3 bpg."

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1 158169562...




 
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08-04-19 08:56 PM - Post#286732    
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Loyola also has another incoming freshman who played for the Spanish championship team. Both of these players will be on this year's Loyola team.




 
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08-05-19 06:33 AM - Post#286736    
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Sounds like Loyola may have landed a difference maker:

"Tavaras Hardy has a good one coming into Loyola (Md): Skilled 6-11 freshman Santi Aldama led Spain to title and was MVP at the FIBA U18 European Championships in Greece. Led all players in efficiency, had a plus-minus of +141, averaged 18 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 2.3 bpg."

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1 158169562...



That's great. I love seeing good PL games.
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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08-10-19 04:04 PM - Post#286879    
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Loyola also has another incoming freshman who played for the Spanish championship team. Both of these players will be on this year's Loyola team.





This article has Loyola with one of the top midmajor recruiting classes in the nation. Here is a comment about the center from Spain:

"Now, Simovic is on Tavaras Hardy’s staff at Loyola (MD) and is once again making headway on the international recruiting trail. Landing Aldama, who just won MVP at the FIBA U18 European Championships, was perhaps the biggest heist of the 2019 cycle. As Evan Daniels of 247Sports wrote, “there are very few programs nationally which would turn down a talent like Aldama so the fact he will be playing college basketball in the Patriot League was a constant talking point amongst NBA scouts and college coaches.” He’s incredibly skilled for his size, able to pass, handle, and shoot the ball and protect the rim. Aldama could be an NBA prospect down the line and should be one of the most impressive mid-major freshmen in the country."

https://cbbcentral.com/2019/08/07/five-under rated-...


Sounds like they may have found their own version of Chris McNaughton.




 
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08-11-19 12:58 PM - Post#286882    
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Gotta hope Loyola and of course other talented PL teams are able to translate that to OOC wins...Hurts our image when these teams either hit their stride in league play or never put it together.

 
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08-11-19 01:06 PM - Post#286883    
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Gotta hope Loyola and of course other talented PL teams are able to translate that to OOC wins...Hurts our image when these teams either hit their stride in league play or never put it together.




This season could be their best chance to get some big OOC wins. They return three senior starters, including 1st team All-PL Andrew Kostecka, to go along with the two Spaniards. Of course if they continue to recruit at a high level, they might be able to replace those guys with more quality players.




 
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08-12-19 01:59 PM - Post#286889    
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Sounds like Loyola may have landed a difference maker:

"Tavaras Hardy has a good one coming into Loyola (Md): Skilled 6-11 freshman Santi Aldama led Spain to title and was MVP at the FIBA U18 European Championships in Greece. Led all players in efficiency, had a plus-minus of +141, averaged 18 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 2.3 bpg."

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1 158169562...



That's great. I love seeing good PL games.



Do the Greyhounds have a fan forum? I'd love to see their reaction.

Also, does Bucknell actively recruit overseas?
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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08-12-19 02:44 PM - Post#286890    
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  • Bison89 Said:
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Sounds like Loyola may have landed a difference maker:

"Tavaras Hardy has a good one coming into Loyola (Md): Skilled 6-11 freshman Santi Aldama led Spain to title and was MVP at the FIBA U18 European Championships in Greece. Led all players in efficiency, had a plus-minus of +141, averaged 18 ppg, 7.6 rpg and 2.3 bpg."

https://twitter.com/GoodmanHoops/status/1 158169562...



That's great. I love seeing good PL games.



Do the Greyhounds have a fan forum? I'd love to see their reaction.

Also, does Bucknell actively recruit overseas?




No active Loyola forum. Don't believe Bucknell recruits much overseas. Have not heard of any offers to players who aren't playing for U.S. teams or in U.S. AAU tournaments. I wouldn't mind seeing more effort there, however, as there are a lot of very talented European players who want to go to school in the U.S.

The one Bison team that has been aggressive with foreign athletes is men's water polo, which in recent years has had four players from Serbia, plus one apiece from Hungary, Romania, Croatia, and Lebanon.




 
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08-13-19 01:03 PM - Post#286900    
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For those who are interested, the American message board is finally up again. It had been on hiatus for many months after it was overrun by trolls making multiple stupid and/or offensive posts. For the moment, they have stopped allowing unregistered posters - which should make things a lot better.

http://auhoops.proboards.com/




 
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Re: Around the Patriot League 2019-20
08-18-19 11:13 AM - Post#287012    
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Holy Cross starting PG Caleb Green has entered the transfer portal. I'm not sure if this means he is definitely gone, however, as he could just be exploring his options while he waits to see who the new coach will be. That decision should be announced within about two weeks. (Note: July 11-14 is a big recruiting period, so it would make sense for HC to make a decision within 10 days.)




HC starting forward Jacob Grandison has now entered the transfer portal. He started every game the past 1.5 years. Caleb Green and Grandison were the top two Crusaders in minutes played.



Grandison is transferring to Illinois


 
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08-18-19 03:25 PM - Post#287013    
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  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
  • Bison137 Said:
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Holy Cross starting PG Caleb Green has entered the transfer portal. I'm not sure if this means he is definitely gone, however, as he could just be exploring his options while he waits to see who the new coach will be. That decision should be announced within about two weeks. (Note: July 11-14 is a big recruiting period, so it would make sense for HC to make a decision within 10 days.)




HC starting forward Jacob Grandison has now entered the transfer portal. He started every game the past 1.5 years. Caleb Green and Grandison were the top two Crusaders in minutes played.



Grandison is transferring to Illinois





Finally ending a 7-week saga.





 
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Finally ending a 7-week saga.





Yes, though not apparently the 21 page thread discussing it -- a good portion of which seems to be dedicated to people who profess to not care a whit what he does.

I also found hchoops reaction somewhat odd. Earlier on, I posted that it wouldn't surprise me if he had gotten a look from Cal, as Cal is not exactly Wooden's UCLA -- or today's Colgate. Hoops was unusually dismissive and stated, in more than one post, that Grandison wouldn't even get a thought from any P5 school. So much for that.




 
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I also found hchoops reaction somewhat odd. Earlier on, I posted that it wouldn't surprise me if he had gotten a look from Cal, as Cal is not exactly Wooden's UCLA -- or today's Colgate. Hoops was unusually dismissive and stated, in more than one post, that Grandison wouldn't even get a thought from any P5 school. So much for that.






Yes, he made multiple posts indicating that he thought Cal must be one of the top teams in the nation, even though - as you pointed out - it has been quite weak the last few years. FAR worse than Bucknell each of the past two years.






 
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08-22-19 12:50 PM - Post#287165    
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Baltimore Sun article on 6-11 Loyola freshman Santi Aldama.

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basket ...

 
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08-22-19 01:12 PM - Post#287166    
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I was watching some highlights of Aldama and thought he looked pretty skinny. That article has him listed at 6’11” 210. For comparison Muscala was skinny his freshman year and was listed at 6’10” 223. Listed heights and weights can’t be trusted as fact but he might get banged around down low until he can put on more weight.

 
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10-29-19 08:17 PM - Post#289254    
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The Brett Nelson era started in Worcester tonight with an unimpressive 11-point win over a weak D2 Assumption team that was picked to finish 6th out of 7 teams in its division. They were 8-20 last year.

HC got a good game out of their top player, Austin Butler, who had 20 points and 11 boards. Soph SF Joe Pridgen had 17 points and their freshman PG Drew Lowder played reasonably well. In total their offense played fairly well, albeit against mediocre defense, but there were problems in other areas.

To begin, Assumption scored 1.00 points per possession - way too high to allow a relatively weak D2 squad - and would have had more if they hadn't been 4-17 on threes. Also HC had 15 turnovers, only 6 of which were caused by steals. HC got 75% of available defensive rebounds - which would be fairly good against a better team - but only had 22% of available defensive rebounds. And finally, HC only forced 8 turnovers - against a team that averaged 13 tpg against its D2 rivals last year.

Probably about the result that might have been expected given the caliber of the opponent and HC's status as an almost unanimous pick for last place - along with adjusting to a new coach.




 
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10-31-19 10:44 PM - Post#289404    
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Lafayette's CG Alex Petrie will miss the season with what has been called a "medical condition". The fact that it was not called an "injury" or something similar suggests to me that it might be some sort of illness. Hopefully he will have a full recovery.

Petrie was the 2018 PL ROY, but in the 2018-19 season he saw his playing time fall and lost his starting job. Presumably it was due to a combination of his mediocre defense and a decline in his shooting percentage.

https://www.goleopards.com/news/2019/10/31/mens- ba...


Lafayette was generally picked for 8th in the PL - ahead of Navy and HC - but this may drop them down to about the same level as Navy.




 
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11-01-19 09:15 PM - Post#289498    
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At the half tonight, Loyola trailed neighborhood rival Johns Hopkins 45-26, but came back to win 80-77.

Highly touted Loyola freshman Santi Aldama didn't play.

 
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11-02-19 04:47 PM - Post#289513    
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American University tweets:

Sa'eed Nelson will not participate in AU’s first game at Siena on Tuesday due to NCAA rules regarding summer league participation. He will suit up for Friday’s home opener vs. William & Mary.

"It was an unfortunate, minor oversight by our program. We have educated our players on the rules, we accept the NCAA’s decision, and we look forward to having Sa’eed back on the court on Friday.” - AU head coach Mike Brennan
https://twitter.com/AU_MBasketball/status /11907394...

 
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11-02-19 04:48 PM - Post#289514    
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At the half tonight, Loyola trailed neighborhood rival Johns Hopkins 45-26, but came back to win 80-77.

Highly touted Loyola freshman Santi Aldama didn't play.


Yes, he had a knee procedure. It's my understanding he will miss at least the first month, meaning no sooner than mid-December.

 
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Baltimore Sun article on Adama's knee surgery. It says he's out "indefinitely".

https://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/college/basket ...

Edited by Maryland Bison on 11-06-19 03:04 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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More on Aldama. I see that a Spanish newspaper yesterday has a quote from him saying he is out "three to four months". I speak no Spanish but am assuming that Google correctly translated a phrase that simple.

https://www.laprovincia.es/cb-gran-canaria/2019/1 1...


If this report is accurate, and it appears it is, he could be out until some time in February. Under normal circumstances, at that point they might well try to convince the doctor that he needs to be shut down for the year - so that they can get a 5th year of eligibility for him. But in his case, I would bet against him being at Loyola for five years, so they might just decide to play him when he is ready - even if it is only for a few weeks at the end.




 
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11-07-19 10:43 AM - Post#290201    
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Prior to what procedure he had, the hope was that he'd return to the lineup before league play. It appears they learned there was more damage than they had hoped during the surgery. I agree that he is not a 5-year candidate. That said, there is the risk of losing him all together if Loyola gives the appearance of rushing him back for the playoffs. He has a professional career in front of him, and his handlers will likely be involved.

 
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Here's an item from Colgate's Game Notes talking about last spring's championship game:

" The 1,821 in attendance was the first sellout in the modern era since the gym had been renamed Cotterell Court in 1966."


It's hard to believe there is any school in the nation with worse fan support for basketball than Colgate. Did not even sell out one game in an 1821-seat gym for three years of Adonal Foyle. Or for their 1994 PL co-champs that featured PL POY Tucker Neale. Or for any regular-season games or PL quarters and semis for the 2018-19 co-champs. Or for the 2nd place 2017-18 team? Or for any number of home games that they played vs Syracuse in the 60's and 70's.

In fact, prior to their sellout in the championship game - which was aided by a large Bucknell contingent - the only sellout ever in Cotterell was to watch the UConn women play there for Breanna Stewart's homecoming. And that was largely UConn fans.





 
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11-07-19 02:49 PM - Post#290231    
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Just saw that Colgate blew a 19 point lead against NJIT but came back to win by 5.

 
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Two notes on that game: first, transfer Nelly, Cummings, who came over from Bowling Green, had a really good game as the new starter in Colgate’s backcourt. Secondly, Colgate appears to have very little depth this year. An injury or two could really hurt them. Their freshman class does not look good, and their transfer from Houston Baptist is having to sit out this year.




 
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Another transfer with a big night was American's Jamir Harris. American showed a complete lack of defensive ability Tuesday night but Harris and Nelson will be a tough backcourt to defend this winter

 
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11-07-19 04:09 PM - Post#290257    
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Here's an item from Colgate's Game Notes talking about last spring's championship game:

" The 1,821 in attendance was the first sellout in the modern era since the gym had been renamed Cotterell Court in 1966."


It's hard to believe there is any school in the nation with worse fan support for basketball than Colgate. Did not even sell out one game in an 1821-seat gym for three years of Adonal Foyle. Or for their 1994 PL co-champs that featured PL POY Tucker Neale. Or for any regular-season games or PL quarters and semis for the 2018-19 co-champs. Or for the 2nd place 2017-18 team? Or for any number of home games that they played vs Syracuse in the 60's and 70's.

In fact, prior to their sellout in the championship game - which was aided by a large Bucknell contingent - the only sellout ever in Cotterell was to watch the UConn women play there for Breanna Stewart's homecoming. And that was largely UConn fans.




From the Baltimore Sun, March 1995:

By Alan Goldstein
Sun Staff Writer
HAMILTON. N.Y. - A month ago in Annapolis, the Navy basketball team limited Colgate's all-time scoring leader, Tucker Neale, to eight points and neutralized 6-foot-10 freshman sensation Adonal Foyle in a 42-point rout.

But it was an entirely different story in the Patriot League tournament championship game yesterday as a boisterous, standing-room crowd of 3,100 tested the capacity of cozy Cotterell Court.


Those Colgate teams were coached by the late Jack Bruen, a wonderful man. I remember stories from him about a handful of games being shown via closed circuit TV in local bars. Per NCAA stats, Colgate's average attendance in 1996 was 2,395.

A pretty weak effort by their sports information department. Probably some young guy/gal who believes Colgate is currently going through the golden ages of its program.


 
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11-07-19 04:38 PM - Post#290259    
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Thanks. I stand corrected - or rather Colgate's SID does.

What is puzzling is that the current capacity of Cotterell, as listed in multiple places including Colgate's website, is 1750. Before they added chairbacks on the one side, it might have had a capacity slightly over 2000. There isn't much room for standing room, and it hasn't really been renovated in about 50 years. So how did they fit in 2500 or 3000+ people? Colgate has had a history of exaggerating attendances a lot, so I wonder how legitimate the 2395 or the 3100 are.




 
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11-07-19 07:46 PM - Post#290281    
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Here is a youtube video of 1996 PL championship game. Boxscore listed attendance as 2236 for this game vs Holy Cross. Ted Bettencourt was starting PG for HC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMR_A6p0j4

 
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11-07-19 07:57 PM - Post#290282    
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Here is a youtube video of 1996 PL championship game. Boxscore listed attendance as 2236 for this game vs Holy Cross. Ted Bettencourt was starting PG for HC.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UvMR_A6p0j4




Thanks, interesting video. I can see 2236 fitting in before there were seatbacks with some standing room thrown in. Still have no idea how they could get anywhere close to 3100 however. I have a lot of doubts about that number.




 
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the Veteran's Classic at Navy is tonight. in prior years they have brought in some very big name schools. this year the opener features a couple of potential top 25 teams in Auburn and Davidson, but Navy only gets East Carolina as its opponent.

 
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the Veteran's Classic at Navy is tonight. in prior years they have brought in some very big name schools.



Since they started this, it's enabled them to get home games with Michigan State, Florida, Ohio State, Pitt, and Maryland. Not sure why they aren't playing a big-time team this year. In fact, the only strong team they play OOC is just before PL play starts when they play Virginia. if Virginia plays the starters a lot in that one, Navy is unlikely to score 40 points.

For those who didn't see it, Navy took DP's GMU team to OT in their first game before being blown out in OT by a barrage of threes and GMU offensive rebounds. The biggest factor in Navy getting to OT is that they got an incredible 20 offensive rebounds out of 40 opportunities. DeChellis is the only PL coach who sends players to the offensive glass, so Navy always leads the league in that category - but getting 50% is an extremely high pct. (PL average last year was about 28% in league play - lower if Navy is excluded.)




 
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11-11-19 12:02 PM - Post#290591    
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Deeper conference schedules have hurt in some years.. Auburn 5th SEC team to play in the event... Every coach raves about the experience though so hopefully we will keep drawing P5's...



 
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11-11-19 02:40 PM - Post#290623    
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Deeper conference schedules have hurt in some years.




reminded me to comment on the craziness of the ACC playing conference games on opening night. the 20 game conference schedules reduces the number of available guarantee games much less the likelihood of us common folk ever getting the p5 schools to visit.

 
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yeah, a lot of ACC had to do with programming needs for ACC Network also.



 
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Philadelphia Biblical: Really Lehigh?

 
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Although LU has refused to comment on the scheduling issues, I think I've figured out what is going on. A website has recently listed a so-called Sacramento Classic that was patch-worked together to allow some teams to play extra games under the guise of a multi-team event. Due to this format, LU gets to play 30 total games, instead of the normal limit of 29. They were eager to do this since they originally only had two home OOC games on the schedule.

This "tournament" apparently now consists of:

Sun., Nov. 10
Winthrop Eagles (Big South) at Fresno State Bulldogs (MW), 5 p.m. (MWN)

Mon., Nov. 11
Winthrop at Saint Mary’s Gaels (WCC), 9 p.m.

Tue., Nov. 12
Cairn (non-D1) at Lehigh Mountain Hawks (Patriot), 7 p.m.

Sat., Nov. 16
Mid-Atlantic Christian (non-D1) at Winthrop, 4 p.m.

Mon., Nov. 18
Misericordia (non-D1) at Lehigh, 7:30 p.m.

Wed., Nov 20
Fresno State vs. Saint Mary’s at Sacramento, 11 p.m. (ESPNU)

Sat., Nov. 23
Lehigh at Saint Mary’s, 8 p.m.

Mon., Nov. 25
Pfeiffer (non-D1) at Winthrop, 7 p.m.

- - - - -

One interesting thing is that this "tournament" never has two games played on the same day. Teams in the tournament play the following number of games: Winthrop 4, Lehigh 3, St. Mary's 3, Fresno State 2, Four different D3's 1 apiece. The eight games are played at five different sites in Pennsylvania, South Carolina, and California.

Misericordia is treating this game with LU as an exhibition game. Cairn originally wasn't counting it either, but now it appears they have changed course. LU may have been a bit embarrassed charging its fans for games that the opposition isn't even treating as a real game. $9 for a seat to watch a game that doesn't even count for the opponent.




 
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11-12-19 09:45 PM - Post#290744    
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American beat George Washington on a Sa'eed Nelson buzzerbeater. In a postgame press conference, American coach Mike Brennan said two players are no longer part of the program: Jack Sorensen and Kelton Samore.

The Nelson shot: https://twitter.com/auhoopspodcast/status /11944311...

Tweet about Brennan remark:
https://twitter.com/auhoopspodcast/status /11944370...

 
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11-12-19 11:09 PM - Post#290747    
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Misericordia is treating this game with LU as an exhibition game. Cairn originally wasn't counting it either, but now it appears they have changed course. LU may have been a bit embarrassed charging its fans for games that the opposition isn't even treating as a real game. $9 for a seat to watch a game that doesn't even count for the opponent.




Correction. Although Cairn wasn't noting it was an exhibition game on their updated schedule, I see they did treat it as an exhibition. So LU will play two games in a week against teams that aren't treating it as a real game.




 
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11-12-19 11:39 PM - Post#290748    
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American beat George Washington on a Sa'eed Nelson buzzerbeater. In a postgame press conference, American coach Mike Brennan said two players are no longer part of the program: Jack Sorensen and Kelton Samore.




Interesting. AU had already had one freshman recruit leave before serious practice even started. With the above departures, this means three of their four new scholarship recruits (Sorenson, Samore, and Bradley Nalley) have already left the team. None of the three who departed were great players, but it is a hit to their depth.

Since Mike Brennan took over (April 2012), American has an incredible rate of recruits leaving before completing four years. In addition to the three named above, others in recent years include Sam Iorio, Drew Lamont, Max Hoekstra, Nick Macarchuk (PWO), Delante Jones, Alex Paquin, Lonnie Rivera, Andrija Matic, Gabe Brown (PWO?), Paris Maragkos, Zach Elcano (injury?), Justice Montgomery, Kade Kager, and Jonathan Davis (academics).

Not clear if they hate Brennan or hate American, or both. But the transfer rate is WAY above that of any other PL school. Consider that since Bucknell brought in scholarship athletes in 2003, a grand total of two recruits (Show and O'Brien) have left before finishing four years.




 
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11-13-19 11:47 PM - Post#290927    
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  • Bison137 Said:

Misericordia is treating this game with LU as an exhibition game. Cairn originally wasn't counting it either, but now it appears they have changed course. LU may have been a bit embarrassed charging its fans for games that the opposition isn't even treating as a real game. $9 for a seat to watch a game that doesn't even count for the opponent.





Correction. Although Cairn wasn't noting it was an exhibition game on their updated schedule, I see they did treat it as an exhibition. So LU will play two games in a week against teams that aren't treating it as a real game.


I may be wrong, but I do not think DII teams have the option to treat games vs DI teams as exhibitions. I think, from the DII team's perspective, they are Exhibitions. Period.


 
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11-14-19 12:34 AM - Post#290931    
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After the Hofstra win, we have climbed from the mid 140's in Pomeroy to 131. Colgate otoh has dropped to 125. So what was a 30ish place difference between them and us is now a 6 place differential.

Having just watched them play Syracuse, here are some observations. This CU team had a chance to give Syracuse a good game, and maybe even sneak out with a win ala the Bison in 2005(?). They did not. CU is the deserved favorite to win the PL, and until somebody proves otherwise, they remain so. But watching them play Syracuse, I come away feeling they they are not nearly as athletic as we are, and if you contain Jordan Burns, as Syracuse did, they are not that scary (I am speaking of the same Jordan Burns that torched us for 35 last March).

Now I am writing this on a night when we really looked good against a good, but not great, mid major team, and CU looked very overmatched against a perennial strong P5 conference team, and I am mindful of the saying that "you never are as good as you look yada, yada, yada." But it does occur to me that when we next meet them they will not have a heckuva lot to show us, that we have not seen before, while we will have plenty new to show them. I am not counting my chickens, this is Colgate's league to lose, but the one major advantage I see them as having over us is experience (not to be underated), and by March, our team of kids that is just getting to know each oter now, will have whittled a lot off of CU's experience advantage. Like I say, the PL is their's to win or lose, but I like the potential I am seeing with our guys.

 
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11-14-19 09:31 AM - Post#290945    
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Under NCAA bylaws, D2/D3 teams have the option to treat games with D1 teams as counting games or as exhibitions. As an example, look at Rosemont's schedule last year. They played Lafayette and treated it as a regular season game, with the result counting in their W-L record. Then the very next game, they played Hofstra and declared it an exhibition game (see where it says "Exhibition" just above the game result in the linked schedule), with the result not counting in their W-L record. Similarly, Susquehanna treated its game with Lafayette the year before as a regular season game, counted in its W-L record.

One more example: Lafayette plays Widener this season, and Widener is treating the game as a regular season game, with the result to be included in their W-L record. But the next game they play Penn, in a game clearly marked as an exhibition game.


Rosemont Schedule: https://rosemont-ravens.com/sports/mens-basketbal l...





 
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It's very early, but the Pomeroy Rankings have already changed a bit for the PL, as have the predicted PL standings:


Colgate 13-5
Bucknell 12-6
Loyola MD 10-8
Boston University 9-9
Lehigh 9-9
American 9-9
Lafayette 9-9
Army 8-10
Navy 6-12
Holy Cross 5-13




 
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11-14-19 11:32 AM - Post#290975    
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Boston lost badly at Vermont last night. Lafayette got a good win at Princeton.

 
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11-14-19 02:03 PM - Post#290998    
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Boston lost badly at Vermont last night. Lafayette got a good win at Princeton.




Boston U played Vermont evenly in most categories (rebounding, turnovers, 3-point shooting, and FT's). However Vermont hit 18-33 on twos, while Boston was 13-41. Had Boston hit the same pct as Vermont, they would theoretically have scored 18 more points in a game they lost by 15. Boston played a different UVM team than Bucknell did, as Anthony Lamb stayed out of foul trouble and logged 36 minutes.

As for Lafayette, their game was decided almost solely by 3-point accuracy. LC was 11-19 (58%) on threes, while Princeton was 8-29 (28%). Had Princeton hit the same spectacular pct as LC, then theoretically they win by 17 points. That is a common theme for O'Hanlon teams: live by the three, die by the three.




 
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11-14-19 03:55 PM - Post#291011    
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Under NCAA bylaws, D2/D3 teams have the option to treat games with D1 teams as counting games or as exhibitions. As an example, look at Rosemont's schedule last year. They played Lafayette and treated it as a regular season game, with the result counting in their W-L record. Then the very next game, they played Hofstra and declared it an exhibition game (see where it says "Exhibition" just above the game result in the linked schedule), with the result not counting in their W-L record. Similarly, Susquehanna treated its game with Lafayette the year before as a regular season game, counted in its W-L record.

One more example: Lafayette plays Widener this season, and Widener is treating the game as a regular season game, with the result to be included in their W-L record. But the next game they play Penn, in a game clearly marked as an exhibition game.


Rosemont Schedule: https://rosemont-ravens.com/sports/mens-basketbal l...



Thanks for the clarification


 
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11-18-19 09:08 PM - Post#291416    
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Colgate is down 71-26 (not a typo) at Auburn early in the 2nd half. What an embarrassment to the PL. They are not looking like a championship team.

 
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Colgate is much better than that however. Just not showing it however as everything has gone down for Auburn who just may win the SEC RS this year. KU looked really human against Utah St

 
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11-18-19 09:15 PM - Post#291418    
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Colgate on an 11-0 run. They’re better than the score.

 
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11-19-19 10:55 AM - Post#291446    
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Colgate is down 71-26 (not a typo) at Auburn early in the 2nd half. What an embarrassment to the PL. They are not looking like a championship team.



91-62 final score. Not pretty at all.
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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What did we lose to St Mary's by?...Auburn played really well. Like to see a replay at Cotterell. Auburn would have a great nights stay at The Colgate Inn and their fans would really love Hickey's

 
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11-19-19 08:23 PM - Post#291611    
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Holy Cross down by about 60 at home!

 
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Holy Cross down by about 60 at home!


OTOH Boston leads S. Carolina by 3 with 6:00 to play. Lafayette leads a good Penn team by 10.

 
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11-19-19 08:44 PM - Post#291646    
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Holy Cross down by about 60 at home!



Relax. They only lost by 57.


 
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11-19-19 11:48 PM - Post#291670    
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Holy Cross down by about 60 at home!



Relax. They only lost by 57.






But they would have won if it weren't for the patriot league dragging them down!





 
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Boston wins at SC 78-70 and Lafayette gets an impressive win over Penn 86-75. Loyola gave GMU a tough time losing by 4. Not a bad night for the PL despite the BU and HC losses.

 
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11-20-19 11:08 AM - Post#291733    
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We’re looking at potentially one of the most interesting PL seasons in years.

 
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We’re looking at potentially one of the most interesting PL seasons in years.



75, you might be right. It looks like the top 5-6 schools can win or lose on any given night. That being said, it would not surprise me if Colgate pulls it together in time for PL games. Also, the Bison are ALWAYS ready to play by the time that January rolls around. Winter Break is a great time to improve and focus on hoops.
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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11-27-19 08:35 AM - Post#292492    
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Jordan Burns a 40-spot vs Green Bay last night, Sa'eed Nelson for 25 in a win vs Howard and John Carter and Cam Davis 24 each in a win over Cornell for Navy..

 
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40 is a lot of points no matter who you are playing!
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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12-01-19 11:05 AM - Post#293086    
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KenPom through Nov 30
115. Colgate
197. Bucknell
210. Loyola
220. Lafayette
224. American
227. Boston University (BU)
231. Lehigh
256. Navy
268. Army
332. Holy Cross

Remarkably tight grouping in that next tier after Colgate.

 
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Holy Cross lost today to Hofstra 91-69 on a neutral court. HC's very good freshman PG Drew Lowder missed much of the game with a hip injury.

Also Loyola beat Bing by ten points in Baltimore.




 
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12-03-19 08:37 PM - Post#293458    
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Lafayette pounding St Joes.

 
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Lafayette pounding St Joes.


Lafayette is surprisingly good this year. We are in for a tough league season.

 
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12-03-19 09:29 PM - Post#293473    
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Final Lafayette 94 St Joe's 71

 
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12-04-19 08:41 AM - Post#293499    
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Final Lafayette 94 St Joe's 71



St. Joe's has lost 7 of their last 8 games. Looks like a rebuilding year for the Hawks.
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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12-04-19 09:12 AM - Post#293506    
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Final Lafayette 94 St Joe's 71



St. Joe's has lost 7 of their last 8 games. Looks like a rebuilding year for the Hawks.





Yes, their best case is that it's a rebuilding year. But with Billy Lange at the helm, it may never get rebuilt.

Among their losses are a 16-point home loss to St. Francis, a 12 point neutral court loss to Towson, a 17 point loss to Loyola (IL), and a 13-point loss to ODU. They currently are ranked #253 in the nation by Pomeroy.




 
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12-04-19 09:36 AM - Post#293517    
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  • Bison89 Said:
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Final Lafayette 94 St Joe's 71



St. Joe's has lost 7 of their last 8 games. Looks like a rebuilding year for the Hawks.





Yes, their best case is that it's a rebuilding year. But with Billy Lange at the helm, it may never get rebuilt.

Among their losses are a 16-point home loss to St. Francis, a 12 point neutral court loss to Towson, a 17 point loss to Loyola (IL), and a 13-point loss to ODU. They currently are ranked #253 in the nation by Pomeroy.



Looks like their only good game was a surprise win over #53 UConn.
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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12-08-19 12:48 PM - Post#294116    
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KenPom through Dec 7
119. Colgate
184. Loyola
185. Lafayette
211. Bucknell
216. American
238. Boston University (BU)
249. Lehigh
276. Army
277. Navy
323. Holy Cross

 
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12-08-19 06:12 PM - Post#294134    
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Colgate lost at Greg Paulus led Niagara today. Not the greatest of losses.

 
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12-08-19 06:15 PM - Post#294135    
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Colgate stumbled today, losing in OT at Niagara, which entered the game 1-5 and is #320 per KenPom.

 
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That's only because Calvin Murphy scored 46 in his 50th anniversary game.


 
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I remember going out every week to buy the “TV Guide” to see what games were going to be televised. South Carolina and the ACC was just staring to emerge (Johnny Roche, Kevin Joyce, George Karl & UNC, David Thompson, John Lucas-Len Elmore & the Terps). But the greatest joy was if I saw that Niagara/LSU/Purdue or UoMiss was gonna be on. Only thing comparable were the ND teams of Austin Carr & Dantley and Ducky Williams. Now I can’t even watch the NBA. Guess that’s the magic of being a kid

 
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Now you know why I’m the OLD Bison

 
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12-09-19 10:54 AM - Post#294167    
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I remember going out every week to buy the “TV Guide” to see what games were going to be televised. South Carolina and the ACC was just staring to emerge (Johnny Roche, Kevin Joyce, George Karl & UNC, David Thompson, John Lucas-Len Elmore & the Terps). But the greatest joy was if I saw that Niagara/LSU/Purdue or UoMiss was gonna be on. Only thing comparable were the ND teams of Austin Carr & Dantley and Ducky Williams. Now I can’t even watch the NBA. Guess that’s the magic of being a kid



ECAC game of the week w/ Don Criqui calling the play-by-play. I'd include Providence w/ Ernie D ans St. Bonaventure into the fun to watch. And, the Jefferson-Pilot ACC Game of the Week featuring Jim Thacker, Bones McKinney and Billy Packer. It's not all bad being old.


 
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12-09-19 04:26 PM - Post#294238    
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I'm not saying Don Criqui didn't call some ECAC games, but the team I remember was Marv Albert and Bucky Waters.


 
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12-09-19 04:37 PM - Post#294241    
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The games I'm talking about would have pre-dated that pairing. Bucky Waters coached at Duke until '73 or '74. I do remember that pairing on games though.

 
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12-09-19 05:14 PM - Post#294250    
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Doc and res....I’m thinking cremation...you guys going in the box?

 
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I'm leaning towards the ashes, but I suspect the wife will stick me in the box regardless of my wishes.


 
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12-09-19 05:25 PM - Post#294253    
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btw, one of my older brothers was a close friend of Criqui's older brother. We lived a couple of blocks down the street in those days. Not sure what Don's exit plan is, OC.


 
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12-09-19 05:44 PM - Post#294254    
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I liked Criqui for basketball, but hated his Notre Dame football calls. About as objective as Birdsong, except to a huge national audience. He sounded like he was about to cry when things went bad for his beloved Irish.




 
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12-10-19 08:47 AM - Post#294274    
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I'm leaning towards the ashes, but I suspect the wife will stick me in the box regardless of my wishes.



I'll save the pallbearers and go the ashes route. Perhaps suggest to my wife that she hold them until a Bison loss so that the stronger winds can carry them further.

 
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12-10-19 10:04 AM - Post#294291    
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  • DoCtoR62 Said:
  • res Said:
I'm leaning towards the ashes, but I suspect the wife will stick me in the box regardless of my wishes.



I'll save the pallbearers and go the ashes route. Perhaps suggest to my wife that she hold them until a Bison loss so that the stronger winds can carry them further.



This is such a WONDERFUL topic for a basketball board.

What's next? Severe illness treatment?
Let's hope the 3's are falling.


 
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12-10-19 08:34 PM - Post#294386    
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Holy Cross is losing to Massachusetts-Boston midway through the second half. When is the last time a Patriot League school lost to a non D-1 opponent?

 
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12-10-19 09:11 PM - Post#294393    
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D3 UMass - Boston wins in OT.

 
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12-10-19 09:12 PM - Post#294394    
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  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
Holy Cross is losing to Massachusetts-Boston midway through the second half. When is the last time a Patriot League school lost to a non D-1 opponent?




Unbelievably HC loses at home to a mediocre D3 UMass-Boston team, a team ranked #114 of D3's and a team that lost to UMass-Lowell by an 88-45 score. Their starting lineup averages slightly less than 6-0 per man. Center is 6-4 and PF is 6-2. HC was outscored 52-33 over the last part of the game.

As for the last PL loss to a D2/D3 team, HC lost in December of 2003 to a Dave Paulsen Williams team. The difference was that that Williams team was the defending national champs and ended up ranked #2 in the nation among D3's.

One item to note is that HC was missing one of their two top players, freshman Drew Lowder, due to a hip injury, plus a couple other players were unavailable. Still, that is a team that even a bad D1 team should easily beat.




 
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12-10-19 09:32 PM - Post#294399    
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  • Bison137 Said:
  • Bucknellbisonfan21 Said:
Holy Cross is losing to Massachusetts-Boston midway through the second half. When is the last time a Patriot League school lost to a non D-1 opponent?





As for the last PL loss to a D2/D3 team, HC lost in December of 2003 to a Dave Paulsen Williams team. The difference was that that Williams team was the defending national champs and ended up ranked #2 in the nation among D3's.





I found one PL loss to a D3 team that is more recent than the HC loss to Williams. Billy Lange's Navy squad lost by six points to Gettysburg in 2005. Fwiw, Gettysburg was a much better team than UMass-Boston. Lange's current St. Joes team, btw, is ranked #261 in the nation. Recently they lost to Temple by 47 points, to Lafayette by 23 points, and to St. Francis by 16 points.




 
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12-10-19 10:38 PM - Post#294417    
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The delusional HC87 is now blaming the PL for tonight's HC loss, although some would assume about a dozen beers might be affecting his reasoning powers.




 
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