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Username Post: 2022 Recruiting        (Topic#23170)
SomeGuy 
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10-12-20 05:46 PM - Post#314806    
    In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.

Did he say that the assistant told him he could secure a scholarship with a direct cash payment?

 
AsiaSunset 
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10-14-20 05:13 AM - Post#314858    
    In response to SomeGuy

Penn offer: Chisom Okpara

 
nychoops 
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Reg: 11-23-04
10-14-20 07:20 AM - Post#314868    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Great kid, very talented. It’s obviously early but I know he loves Vanderbilt

 
PennFan10 
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10-14-20 11:44 AM - Post#314885    
    In response to nychoops

  • nychoops Said:
Great kid, very talented. It’s obviously early but I know he loves Vanderbilt



Does he have a Vanderbilt offer? VC doesn't indicate it and I don't see any other indications.


 
AsiaSunset 
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10-21-20 06:06 AM - Post#315158    
    In response to PennFan10

Offered Taylor Hendricks from Calvary Christian in South Florida

 
besnoah 
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10-21-20 01:01 PM - Post#315167    
    In response to AsiaSunset

Rivals top 100 player with good ACC offers (Miami, FSU, UF, VA Tech).

 
91Quake 
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10-21-20 02:24 PM - Post#315169    
    In response to besnoah

Big athletic forward with a nice shot and touch in videos.

Penn first high academic school to offer and he cited academics as important when Adam Zagoria did a recruiting rundown with him not too long ago.

 
Quake Show 
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10-21-20 04:08 PM - Post#315177    
    In response to 91Quake

I’m curious, can anyone provide some insight as to why we’re offering such high profile targets for 2022? Not that I’m against it, but is it really a realistic strategy?

 
PennFan10 
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10-21-20 04:39 PM - Post#315180    
    In response to Quake Show

  • Quake Show Said:
I’m curious, can anyone provide some insight as to why we’re offering such high profile targets for 2022? Not that I’m against it, but is it really a realistic strategy?



Ask Tommy Amaker


 
Quake Show 
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10-21-20 06:42 PM - Post#315189    
    In response to PennFan10

Well the obvious response to that is: Amaker actually lands these recruits whereas we don't.

With so many (non top-100) missed targets in the classes of '20 and '21 saying they prioritized schools that reached out to them a lot and were early offers, I just see this being an inevitably bad strategy. These kids are going to go to the ACC, then we'll offer others late, but Princeton/Yale will have already done so.

Not that I wouldn't want any of these recruits to join the program - that would be stellar - I've just watched this same process happen for two years now.

 
PennFan10 
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10-21-20 07:20 PM - Post#315190    
    In response to Quake Show

So it only takes 2 years to land top 100 recruits? I know we definitely aren’t landing any if we don’t recruit them.

 
TheLine 
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2022 Recruiting
10-22-20 08:20 AM - Post#315206    
    In response to Quake Show

What's the harm in casting a wider net? You already have a 'No' if you don't recruit at the more talented end of the pool, why not try for a 'Yes'?

There would be harm if recruiting focuses primarily on kids that are unlikely to be recruited successfully, but I don't see any evidence that's happening. It certainly hasn't had an impact on Amaker's recruiting.



 
Silver Maple 
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10-22-20 08:39 AM - Post#315211    
    In response to TheLine

I guess that it could be a sap on resources. Recruiting is a pretty time-intensive endeavor, and the coaching staff doesn't have unlimited time. Any time they spend pursuing an unrealistic prospect is time they could have spent going after somebody gettable.


 
TheLine 
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10-22-20 08:58 AM - Post#315214    
    In response to Silver Maple

Well, yeah. But that doesn't seem to be the case. And if it was (and I'm not saying it is), then wouldn't that be a good argument to find a coaching staff more capable of juggling a larger number of recruits?


 
Buckeye Quake 
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10-22-20 09:34 AM - Post#315217    
    In response to TheLine


I'll second that suggestion!

 
SomeGuy 
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10-22-20 12:55 PM - Post#315236    
    In response to TheLine

Quake Show also appears to be presuming that we are waiting to offer gettable recruits until after the ungettable ones reject us. If that is the case, that could be a problem with the strategy. I doubt it is, though. I suspect we are recruiting on both tracks simultaneously.

 
besnoah 
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10-22-20 01:17 PM - Post#315243    
    In response to SomeGuy

I think asking why a staff that has had trouble successfully recruiting prospects who start off at a MM level before getting HM offers is now recruiting players with competing HM offers is legit.

Maybe they have information that certain players in this class are different or maybe they have a new strategy or fewer Allen-violation-related constraints, but as has been discussed somewhat endlessly here, the recruiting compared to other Ivies has not been as successful. They have successfully landed one player from this pool of players since coming to Penn (Brodeur). Hendricks and Armstrong are both at least one level above the players they’ve successfully recruited, I find it somewhat hard to believe the strategy will be successful.

 
SomeGuy 
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10-22-20 04:08 PM - Post#315266    
    In response to besnoah

Isn’t it exactly how Amaker started though? He didn’t just come in and immediately get a top 100 recruit. He got involved with kids that some on here were saying it was ridiculous to be recruiting. They went out of their way to make it public that they were recruiting these kids. If you notice, they’ve gotten much quieter about it since they started actually landing some kids with high major offers. The more you are publicly involved and on radar screens, the more you begin to get viewed as a real option.

I’m also not sure it makes sense to both complain about the level of recruits we’re getting, and to complain when we try for higher rated recruits.

 
besnoah 
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2022 Recruiting
10-22-20 06:15 PM - Post#315278    
    In response to SomeGuy

I think that’s incorrect because it’s reductive of Amaker’s experience before arriving at Harvard, this staff is in its fifth year, and Amaker wasn’t losing tons and tons of battles for MM prospects who became HM prospects at the same time he was recruiting those kids.

To the extent I’m “complaining” it’s because I’m describing my perception that things aren’t going well in competing for prospects and I think this looks like an increase in the level of difficulty not obviously justified by the level of recruiting.

Edited by besnoah on 10-22-20 06:17 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Jeff2sf 
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10-22-20 06:23 PM - Post#315279    
    In response to besnoah

yeah, i'm somewhere in the agnostic to skeptical bucket. If he had a new recruiter, maybe there'd be some justification, but to the extent that this is a new strategy (is it, or are we just hearing more?), why will he be successful? I'm much more of a believer in momentum than some of you in terms of recruiting being best in the first couple years you get the job or perhaps after some ncaa success (idk about that one). But whats the story he's pitching that is suddenly going to be successful when it hasn't been thus far?

 
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