mrjames
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10-22-20 08:10 PM - Post#315280
In response to SomeGuy
Amaker’s first class at Harvard was a Top 25 class as rated by ESPN until Frank Ben-Eze decommitted. Max Kenyi was a fringe Top 100 guy but never really materialized.
Amaker’s 2009 class was a really good mid-major class and 2010 was when he missed on a couple Top 50 players and another player with all 3 going to Stanford and Vandy.
2011 was the first great class with a Top 100 player (Saunders).
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AsiaSunset
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10-22-20 09:26 PM - Post#315283
In response to mrjames
Penn just offered Desonte Brown from Worchester Academy
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besnoah
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10-22-20 10:45 PM - Post#315284
In response to AsiaSunset
Desonte Bowen is another Top 100ish 4*. Brown previously offered.
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AsiaSunset
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10-23-20 06:48 AM - Post#315285
In response to besnoah
Wow. Did I really write Brown instead of Bowen? Thanks for the correction
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PennFan10
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10-23-20 09:34 AM - Post#315287
In response to mrjames
Amaker’s first class at Harvard was a Top 25 class as rated by ESPN until Frank Ben-Eze decommitted. Max Kenyi was a fringe Top 100 guy but never really materialized.
Amaker’s 2009 class was a really good mid-major class and 2010 was when he missed on a couple Top 50 players and another player with all 3 going to Stanford and Vandy.
2011 was the first great class with a Top 100 player (Saunders).
I guess it's a good thing Amaker didn't deem his efforts as futile and abandon his strategy of going after top 100 players after all those misses in his first couple years.
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Silver Maple
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10-23-20 10:49 AM - Post#315291
In response to PennFan10
I assume the rational here is that, by simply being in the running with very hotly pursued high major prospects, it sends a valuable and persuasive message to the more realistic targets. Is this actually correct? I have no idea. I'm not in that business. But it's certainly plausible and, if that's actually what the staff is working toward, I hope it works.
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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10-23-20 11:13 AM - Post#315294
In response to Silver Maple
Maybe it's even simpler than that? Namely, here's a high-academic kid who's also a stud on the court. Why not make a run at him? You miss 100% of the shots you don't take.
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mrjames
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10-23-20 11:23 AM - Post#315295
In response to T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
This league has proven capable of landing ranked recruits beyond Harvard. Yale landed Bruner. Princeton landed Llewellyn. Even beyond ranked recruits, Ivies have been winning battles with high majors. This isn't a pipe dream anymore... it's been proven that Ivies can win these battles for the RIGHT prospects.
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SomeGuy
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10-23-20 12:26 PM - Post#315301
In response to mrjames
I’m also curious if this is somewhat indicative of how the recruiting process has moved up over time. When Donahue first started, going after some of these kids may have involved jumping in where others had been for a while. We may be bubbling up more because the staff has been in place for a while and has been on these kids from the start. Also, involvement starting earlier means that there may be fluidity in both directions as to who is a high academic recruit and who is a high major recruit. If you ignore high academic kids because you think they are going high major as a soph, and then for whatever reason that changes, you could get left out on players you should be involved with.
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TheLine
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10-23-20 12:41 PM - Post#315305
In response to SomeGuy
That makes sense, combined with lifting of restrictions from Allen.
I find it hard to believe Donahue isn't capable of making inroads with higher rated talent for any other reason. I can believe he isn't as successful at closing the deal as he could be, but not that offering a recruit who is a reach somehow gets in the way of him recruiting more gettable talent.
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Silver Maple
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10-23-20 01:05 PM - Post#315313
In response to TheLine
When it comes to the question of 'closing the deal,' let's bear in mind that recruiting is a team endeavor. It's not just the head coach or an assistant. There's a very broad team of individuals involved in the relationship with a recruit, and they come from all over the university. All of them play a key role in the task of gaining a commitment from a high school player. So, if Penn is having trouble landing desirable recruits, it's probably shortsighted to focus all the finger-pointing on the head coach.
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besnoah
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10-23-20 01:12 PM - Post#315315
In response to Silver Maple
My view is not that they should not be trying to do this or that it's any one person's fault. It's simply that--given the degree of success they have had so far recruiting in this pool and the pool just below it--this seems like a fairly significant change in strategy and it's not clear to me why we should expect it to be more successful.
I agree with the posited rationales for why a team would do this, I'm just not sure I find them persuasive in this context.
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welcometothejungle
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2022 Recruiting
11-12-20 12:30 AM - Post#316558
In response to besnoah
https://twitter.com/Bompson3/status/13267 179319805...
Penn offered 6'7 Guard Blair Thompson from NMH this evening on a Zoom call with the whole staff. Looks like his first public offer that I can see from Verbal Commits/his Twitter
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besnoah
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11-13-20 11:16 PM - Post#316716
In response to welcometothejungle
Looks like he reclassified after transferring to NMH from Xavier. Here's a highlight video from last year:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZLaAE8mucoA
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91Quake
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11-25-20 04:32 PM - Post#317304
In response to besnoah
Penn makes Jameel Brown final five along with Temple, Marquette, Purdue, and Xavier. According to 247, he is ranked 122 in the 2022 class. He is a 6-3 combo guard from the Haverford School.
Hopefully, he decides to go high academic and local.
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OldBig5
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11-25-20 07:26 PM - Post#317310
In response to 91Quake
Penn makes Jameel Brown final five along with Temple, Marquette, Purdue, and Xavier. According to 247, he is ranked 122 in the 2022 class. He is a 6-3 combo guard from the Haverford School.
Hopefully, he decides to go high academic and local.
Yea, Temple would be a good choice. 
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Quake Show
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11-29-20 06:24 PM - Post#317434
In response to OldBig5
https://247sports.com/college/pennsylvania/ Article...
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91Quake
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11-29-20 06:41 PM - Post#317435
In response to Quake Show
Hysier is blocking his way at Temple. But keep it local with high academics and he would still have the support system in place. And get to have the Palestra as his home court.
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PennFan10
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11-29-20 08:43 PM - Post#317437
In response to 91Quake
I think Penn has a decent shot here. Nothing for sure but the Quakers are in the top 5 for more than sentimental reasons.
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SteveChop
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11-29-20 11:24 PM - Post#317441
In response to PennFan10
At some point (it may be too early now), we need to look at what effect, if any, the one year Ivy hiatus has on recruiting.
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