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Boston University (BU)
vs Northeastern
vs SUNY Poly
at Vermont
vs New Hampshire
at South Carolina
at West Virginia
vs Northern Colorado at the Cancun Challenge
vs Gardner-Webb or Tennessee-Martin in Cancun
at George Washington
at Binghamton
vs Dartmouth
at UMass Lowell
at Merrimack

They're also doing a summer trip to Spain
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07-17-19 03:59 PM - Post#286013    
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Note that their games at South Carolina and at West Virginia are also part of the Cancun Challenge. Playing in a four-game MTE allows them to have 13 OOC games.

With the exception of those two P6 conference teams plus Northeastern and Vermont, that is a weak schedule. They should run up a good record heading into PL play. They will likely be favorites in nine of the 13 games. I wouldn't want to see Bucknell playing that weak a schedule, but I wouldn't mind seeing a few very beatable teams among the 13 Bison games.




 
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08-05-19 01:10 PM - Post#286752    
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Colgate released their non-conference schedule. It should give them a good test.

https://gocolgateraiders.com/schedule.aspx?schedul...

 
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Definitely a challenging schedule - with four big name opponents: Auburn, Syracuse, Clemson, and Cinci.

One thing that is strange is an incongruity with the Legends Classic. That tournament format is always four games, where the mid-majors play at two strong opponents and then play two more games vs other mid-majors at one site. When the Bison played in it in 2014, for example, they played at Michigan and Villanova, followed by games vs Toledo and MD Eastern Shore in Detroit. The Legends press release this year suggested the same format, with the four power teams being Auburn, Wisconsin, New Mexico, and Richmond - a somewhat weaker group than in prior years.

By playing four games in this official multi-team event (MTE), that allows Colgate to play 13 OOC games, which is what is shown on their schedule. But what is puzzling is that they only have one game vs the four power teams (Auburn). If that is the case, there would have to have been a late change to the Legends format. But the four power teams haven't changed, according to the tournament's website. So one guess is that for some reason Colgate couldn't find a date that worked with the power team they were supposed to visit, and the tournament substituted another team as a one-game member of the tournament to get Colgate four games. Maybe Cortland? (Note that when the Bison played in the 2K Classic - which is similar to the Legends- in 2012 that West Alabama was a one-game substitute.) OR the other option is that Colgate is simply playing only three games in the Legends Classic, instead of the normal four, and is calling their game with Cortland State an exhibition. To have an exhibition more than two weeks after the season begins would be unusual, but it is allowed under the rules - as long as the opponent is not a D1 school.




 
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08-05-19 02:01 PM - Post#286758    
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When the Bison played in it in 2014, for example, they played at Michigan and Villanova, followed by games vs Toledo and MD Eastern Shore in Detroit.

...in Toledo.


 
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Colgate
vs NJIT
@ Clemson
@ Syracuse
@ Auburn
vs Cortland
vs TBA Legends Classic in Green Bay
vs TBA Legends Classic in Green Bay
vs Siena
@ Binghamton
@ Niagara
vs Cornell
@ Cincinnati
vs Columbia


 
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08-05-19 02:14 PM - Post#286761    
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When the Bison played in it in 2014, for example, they played at Michigan and Villanova, followed by games vs Toledo and MD Eastern Shore in Detroit.

...in Toledo.






Oops. Was thinking for some reason of the fourth team in that bracket, which was Detroit Mercy.




 
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Heckuva Colgate schedule. That three-game stretch against major opponents reminds me of Bucknell's Arkansas-North Carolina-Maryland swing two seasons ago.

Must be one of the strongest Patriot League nonconference schedules played by anyone other than Bucknell for a while. And the Raiders will have substantial potential to pull an upset.

 
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08-05-19 02:37 PM - Post#286764    
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Heckuva Colgate schedule. That three-game stretch against major opponents reminds me of Bucknell's Arkansas-North Carolina-Maryland swing two seasons ago.

Must be one of the strongest Patriot League nonconference schedules played by anyone other than Bucknell for a while. And the Raiders will have substantial potential to pull an upset.




Yes, very tough schedule. The three game stretch is in the same ballpark with Bucknell's three games from the 2018 season - except the Bison had to do it in less than seven days, with a stop back in Lewisburg in the middle. You'll recall that Bison schedule also included four games with A-10 opponents, plus Vermont and a good Monmouth team. Pomeroy ranked it as the 31st best OOC schedule in the nation. No PL OOC schedule has been better, with the possible exception of the Bison 2005-06 schedule, which was ranked #32 by Pomeroy. That schedule has to get an asterisk, however, since they ended up having to play Haverford - a weak game that is not counted by Pomeroy.




 
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It will be interesting to see where Colgate's OOC schedule is ranked this year. It looks VERY good. I applaud them for playing strong teams and getting 5 home games. If anything, they should be more than ready for PL games.
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08-05-19 05:11 PM - Post#286770    
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But what is puzzling is that they only have one game vs the four power teams (Auburn).



I'm guessing they couldn't get four power teams which is why Richmond is in the tournament. Since Richmond's gate couldn't justify a meaningful payout, the tournament likely allowed (encouraged) Colgate to find a replacement game on its home court.


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Interesting graphic regarding road wins. We've beaten a few of these teams on the road.
https://twitter.com/CBBSuperFan/status/11 584604030...

 
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Interesting graphic regarding road wins. We've beaten a few of these teams on the road.
https://twitter.com/CBBSuperFan/status/11 584604030...




Very interesting list, and another demonstration of how good Bison basketball has been. The Bison have road wins since 2010 against four of the top eight teams on this list: Vermont, Stony Brook, Robert Morris, and Albany. Haven't played any of the others.




 
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One thing that is strange is an incongruity with the Legends Classic. That tournament format is always four games, where the mid-majors play at two strong opponents and then play two more games vs other mid-majors at one site. . . . . So one guess is that for some reason Colgate couldn't find a date that worked with the power team they were supposed to visit, and the tournament substituted another team as a one-game member of the tournament to get Colgate four games. Maybe Cortland?




Confirmed with Colgate that indeed Cortland has become part of the Legends Classic for this one game. Their schedule has now been changed to reflect that.

I wonder how many people they will pack into Cotterell for a November Thursday night game vs D3 Cortland just before the students leave on break.




 
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08-05-19 10:16 PM - Post#286779    
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Interesting graphic regarding road wins. We've beaten a few of these teams on the road.
https://twitter.com/CBBSuperFan/status/11 584604030...





One bit of trivia on road wins. Over the entire decade, Syracuse has played exactly ten OOC road games. They are 5-5 in those ten road games.




 
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Oops. Posted to wrong thread.


OOC Schedule announced:

2019-20 Bucknell Non-Conference Schedule:

Nov. 5 at Fairfield
Nov. 10 vs. VERMONT
Nov. 13 vs. HOFSTRA
Nov. 16 at Canisius
Nov. 19 at Penn State
Nov. 23 at Syracuse
Nov. 25 vs. Seattle (Orlando, Fla.)
Nov. 26 vs. Western Michigan or Yale (Orlando, Fla.)
Nov. 30 vs. PRINCETON
Dec. 3 at Rider
Dec. 7 vs. ALBANY
Dec. 21 at Siena
Dec. 29 at La Salle (at The Palestra)

https://bucknellbison.com/news/2019/8/7/bucknel l-m...


Four home OOC games, including three vs strong opponents: Vermont, Hofstra, Princeton, and Albany.




 
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08-15-19 04:56 PM - Post#286980    
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Navy
@ George Mason
vs East Carolina
vs Washington (MD)
@ Liberty
vs Lipscomb
vs Cornell
@ Brown
@ Bryant
vs Marist
vs Mount Saint Mary's
at Virginia

https://navysports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

 
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American
@ Siena
vs William & Mary
@ George Washington
@ St Francis PA
vs Howard
@ Albany
vs UMBC
@ George Mason
@ Mount St. Mary's
vs Stony Brook
at Georgetown

http://www.aueagles.com/sports/m-baskbl/2019- 20/sc...

 
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08-16-19 07:41 AM - Post#286990    
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Did American decide to travel to any local DC school with George in the name?
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Did American decide to travel to any local DC school with George in the name?




Looks that way. Unfortunately for AU, none of the three have been willing to play in Bender. Not expecting to ever see Georgetown there, but it's a bit surprising they can't get the other two - who are both mediocre programs located within a few miles of American - to do at least a two-for-one. Maybe they should try George Fox University, a D3 in Oregon, instead. Or maybe branch out and play schools with Georgia in their name.




 
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08-19-19 10:29 AM - Post#287021    
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Did American decide to travel to any local DC school with George in the name?




Looks that way. Unfortunately for AU, none of the three have been willing to play in Bender. Not expecting to ever see Georgetown there, but it's a bit surprising they can't get the other two - who are both mediocre programs located within a few miles of American - to do at least a two-for-one. Maybe they should try George Fox University, a D3 in Oregon, instead. Or maybe branch out and play schools with Georgia in their name.



With that close proximity, maybe they don't care about reciprocal arrangements. Avoids the risk of visitors "buying" out the arena for that one game. And because its a "local"game the "buy" if there is one for the smaller Georges, could be smaller due to lack of expenses.

 
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09-03-19 11:01 AM - Post#287386    
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Loyola
vs Johns Hopkins (exhibition)
@ Marquette
@ Chicago State
@ Old Dominion
vs Fairfield
@ George Mason
vs IUPUI in Omaha
vs Nebraska-Omaha or Southern in Omaha
vs Binghamton
@ Delaware State
@ Mount St Mary's
vs Elizabethtown (D3)
vs UMass Lowell
@ VCU

https://loyolagreyhounds.com/schedule.aspx?path=mb...

 
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Colgate's matchups in the Legends Classic, previously TBA, have been released.

vs NJIT
@ Clemson
@ Syracuse
@ Auburn
vs Cortland
vs CSU Northridge - Legends Classic in Green Bay
@ Green Bay- Legends Classic in Green Bay
vs Siena
@ Binghamton
@ Niagara
vs Cornell
@ Cincinnati
vs Columbia

https://gocolgateraiders.com/schedule.aspx?schedul...

 
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09-03-19 11:35 AM - Post#287388    
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Colgate's matchups in the Legends Classic, previously TBA, have been released.

vs NJIT
@ Clemson
@ Syracuse
@ Auburn
vs Cortland
vs CSU Northridge - Legends Classic in Green Bay
@ Green Bay- Legends Classic in Green Bay
vs Siena
@ Binghamton
@ Niagara
vs Cornell
@ Cincinnati
vs Columbia

https://gocolgateraiders.com/schedule.aspx?schedul...



IMO, other than D3 Cortland, this is a fun schedule. Is it the most difficult in the PL? (137, any thoughts?)
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09-03-19 12:45 PM - Post#287392    
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Colgate's matchups in the Legends Classic, previously TBA, have been released.

vs NJIT
@ Clemson
@ Syracuse
@ Auburn
vs Cortland
vs CSU Northridge - Legends Classic in Green Bay
@ Green Bay- Legends Classic in Green Bay
vs Siena
@ Binghamton
@ Niagara
vs Cornell
@ Cincinnati
vs Columbia

https://gocolgateraiders.com/schedule.aspx?schedul...



IMO, other than D3 Cortland, this is a fun schedule. Is it the most difficult in the PL? (137, any thoughts?)





The top four of the Colgate schedule is stronger than that of the Bison. Bison schedule is definitely harder for the other nine. When the season is over, I expect the two to be about the same in terms of the average. I think Buchnell will have the stronger schedule in terms of the median.




 
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Thanks!
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09-04-19 06:49 PM - Post#287428    
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Holy Cross
vs Assumption (exhibition)
@ Maryland
@ New Hampshire
vs Fairfield
vs Northeastern
vs Harvard
@ Florida Atlantic (Boca Raton Classic)
vs Hofstra (Boca Raton Classic)
vs Canisius or Mercer (Boca Raton Classic)
@ San Diego
vs UMass Boston (D3)
@ Canisius
vs Sacred Heart
@ Siena

https://goholycross.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_O...

 
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A little on the weak side

 
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09-05-19 10:27 AM - Post#287444    
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Holy Cross
vs Assumption (exhibition)
@ Maryland
@ New Hampshire
vs Fairfield
vs Northeastern
vs Harvard
@ Florida Atlantic (Boca Raton Classic)
vs Hofstra (Boca Raton Classic)
vs Canisius or Mercer (Boca Raton Classic)
@ San Diego
vs UMass Boston (D3)
@ Canisius
vs Sacred Heart
@ Siena

https://goholycross.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_O...



What is the difference between an "exhibition" game and a "D3" game?

BTW, I like the Florida trip. It is good for the team and good for the fans.
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09-05-19 11:30 AM - Post#287453    
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Holy Cross
vs Assumption (exhibition)
@ Maryland
@ New Hampshire
vs Fairfield
vs Northeastern
vs Harvard
@ Florida Atlantic (Boca Raton Classic)
vs Hofstra (Boca Raton Classic)
vs Canisius or Mercer (Boca Raton Classic)
@ San Diego
vs UMass Boston (D3)
@ Canisius
vs Sacred Heart
@ Siena

https://goholycross.com/SportSelect.dbml?&DB_O...



What is the difference between an "exhibition" game and a "D3" game?

BTW, I like the Florida trip. It is good for the team and good for the fans.




An exhibition game is one that doesn't count, either in the W-L column or in the total of games a team can play. A team is allowed to play a total of two exhibition games and/or scrimmages. The exhibition games must be with D2/D3/NAIA teams or possibly some touring team. Scrimmages normally are with D1 teams but must be closed to the public with no official stats.

In contrast, HC's game with UMass-Boston is not an exhibition game and does count. (To make it more confusing, it could possibly be a real game for HC but an exhibition for UMass-Boston.)




 
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09-05-19 12:22 PM - Post#287455    
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So, one team could play an exhibition game while the other team is playing a real game???!!! That is CRAZY . . .
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So, one team could play an exhibition game while the other team is playing a real game???!!! That is CRAZY . . .




That has happened on a number of occasions. For example, Army some years ago played an official game vs Vassar - but for Vassar it was an exhibition.

Another example - although it wasn't really disclosed at the time -was when Bucknell hosted the Legends Classic in November of 2011. West Alabama, a D2 school that had been pressed into service when the Gazelle Group couldn't find enough teams, played three games in Sojka. Their first two were official games that counted on their W-L record - but their final game, vs Princeton, went into West Alabama's record book as an exhibition. Princeton, however, counted it as a regular game and didn't even note that it was only an exhibition game for their opponent. I believe that West Alabama had to treat it as an exhibition because otherwise they would have exceeded the NCAA limit for regular season games.




 
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The NCAA never ceases to amaze me.
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Lafayette
vs Columbia
@ St Francis PA
@ Princeton
vs Delaware
vs Penn
vs Farleigh Dickinson
@ St Joe's
@ Cornell
vs Widener (D3)
@ Rutgers
@ Sacred Heart

https://www.goleopards.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbba...

 
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The NCAA never ceases to amaze me.




I don't think it's an issue with the NCAA. There has to be some limit on how many games a team can play - and the current limit is what has been voted on by the member schools. The clause allowing the D2/D3 team to treat a game as an exhibition is presumably in there to allow a D1 team to complete their schedule when they need another game or to allow a local matchup of a D1 with a D3, where the D3 is reluctant to have the game show up on its record.

One thing to remember about NCAA rules is that most of them were proposed by the member schools, and almost all have been voted on and approved by the member schools. The NCAA never writes these rules on their own. It's just convenient for schools to blame the NCAA when they run afoul of a rule that they actually voted to implement at some time in the past.




 
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09-05-19 10:32 PM - Post#287473    
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Army
@ Villanova
vs US Merchant Marine Academy (D3)
vs Air Force
vs Farleigh Dickinson
@ Binghamton
@ Marist
vs NJIT
vs Long Island University
@ Merrimack
@ Buffalo
@ Wagner

https://goarmywestpoint.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbb...

 
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09-05-19 10:39 PM - Post#287474    
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Two things to note about Army's opponents:
--The Merrimack College Warriors (North Andover, MA), are transitioning to D1 and are now members of the Northeast Conference.

--Long Island University has merged its Post and Brooklyn campuses' athletic programs. So long D1 LIU Brooklyn Blackbirds and D2 LIU Post Pioneers. Hello D1 LIU Sharks. Naturally, some alumni aren't digging the name change.

 
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Two things to note about Army's opponents:
--The Merrimack College Warriors (North Andover, MA), are transitioning to D1 and are now members of the Northeast Conference.

--Long Island University has merged its Post and Brooklyn campuses' athletic programs. So long D1 LIU Brooklyn Blackbirds and D2 LIU Post Pioneers. Hello D1 LIU Sharks. Naturally, some alumni aren't digging the name change.




That's an easy conference change in terms of the name. They have been members for years in the D2 Northeast 10.

The NEC has seen a lot of change over the years. Past members include Monmouth, Quinnipiac, Marist, Rider, Siena, Loyola, UMBC, and Towson. Five of those teams are now in the MAAC and a sixth (Loyola) was a long-time MAAC member as well. Loyola is one of three PL members who were once in the MAAC.




 
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137, without looking it up, I am going to guess that Loyola, American, and Boston U were all in the MAAC at one time. How did I do?
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137, without looking it up, I am going to guess that Loyola, American, and Boston U were all in the MAAC at one time. How did I do?




Not so well. Other than Loyola, the other two are Army and Holy Cross. Although some ignorant HC fans like to blame the PL for their program's demise, their program actually fell into mediocrity after they joined the MAAC (1983). They were 93-110 during the MAAC years, with one good year at the end after it was known they were heading for the new PL the next year.

Boston U was in the ECAC North and its successor the North Atlantic Conference, followed by many years in America East. (Colgate was also a long-time member of the ECAC North.) American was in the ECC until the mid-80's, followed by many years in the CAA.




 
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09-19-19 06:13 PM - Post#287763    
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Lehigh seems to be having quite a hard time finalizing their non-conference schedule. Out of 353 D1 programs, the Mountain Hawks are among just 38 who have yet to reveal theirs.

Via Twitter, they have revealed games at Auburn, Yale, St Mary's and Virginia Tech.

 
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Lehigh seems to be having quite a hard time finalizing their non-conference schedule. Out of 353 D1 programs, the Mountain Hawks are among just 38 who have yet to reveal theirs.

Via Twitter, they have revealed games at Auburn, Yale, St Mary's and Virginia Tech.




Other reported LU games: Albany, Columbia, St. Francis (PA), Monmouth, Princeton.




 
BisonRoadWarrior 
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09-23-19 05:43 PM - Post#287839    
    In response to Bison137

Lehigh
vs Monmouth
@ Albany
vs Cairn (D3)
@ Virginia Tech
vs Miseracordia (D3)
@ Drake
@ St Mary's
@ Columbia
@ Saint Francis PA
vs Yale
@ Auburn
@ Princeton

https://lehighsports.com/schedule.aspx?path=mbball

 
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09-23-19 05:48 PM - Post#287840    
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no wonder it took so long, looks like they could not get home schedule filled out.

 
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09-23-19 06:39 PM - Post#287846    
    In response to KenZ

Yes, that is an awful home schedule, to say the least. For those who haven't heard of it, Cairn University is a tiny Philly Christian college that accepts 98% of applicants. If they had to go the D3 route, it might have been nice to schedule a local such as Muhlenberg or Moravian.

In total, LU will have 30 games on its schedule, which exceeds the 29-game max for teams who don't participate in an official multi-team event. I'm trying to figure out which three games would be MTE events. The only other option is that one of those D3 games is not even even being counted by Lehigh as an official game. I know their game with Misericordia is not an official game for Misericordia - but there are times a D1/D3 match-up is an official game for one team and an exhibition for the other.




 
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09-23-19 06:55 PM - Post#287848    
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This Lehigh schedule shows how lucky we are that Bucknell is able to put together the home schedules it does. There has never been a Sojka schedule as bad as playing Monmouth, Cairn, Misericordia, and Yale - and only the first one of the scholarship era was even remotely close. If I were a season ticket holder, I think I'd be demanding my money back.

For reference, here are the home OOC games BU has played each year in the scholarship era, plus the total # of OOC games in parentheses. Prior to PL expansion, they played more total OOC games of course.


2003-04 ( 13 ) Yale , Dickinson , Penn , Ursinus , Cornell
2004-05 ( 14 ) Rider , St. Francis , RMU , Niagara ,
2005-06 ( 13 ) Yale , Villanova , Cornell , Haverford , St. Joes
2006-07 ( 14 ) Wake , No. Iowa * , Towson *
2007-08 ( 15 ) Albany , Marist , St. Francis , LaSalle , Cornell , Ohio
2008-09 ( 14 ) Boston U , ODU * , Wagner , Bing , Drexel , St Bona
2009-10 ( 16 ) St Francis , Cornell , Loyola , Marist , Richmond
2010-11 ( 16 ) Bing , Wagner , Columbia , Boston U , Dartmouth
2011-12 ( 16 ) St Francis , Princeton # , W. Alabama # , Morehead # , Richmond , Loyola , Cornell
2012-13 ( 16 ) GMU , Dartmouth , Kent , LaSalle , Marist
2013-14 ( 11 ) St Francis , Princeton , Columbia , Fairfield
2014-15 ( 13 ) Marist , Mt. St. Mary , PSU , Albany , Case West.
2015-16 ( 11 ) Shenandoah , Wake , Siena , Columbia , Fairfield
2016-17 ( 13 ) Manhattan , RMU , Richmond , Mt. St. Mary , Princeton
2017-18 ( 13 ) Siena , Ball St , Vermont , LaSalle
2018-19 ( 12 ) Fairfield , Canisius , Northeastern , Monmouth
2019-20 ( 13 ) Vermont, Hofstra, Princeton, Albany

* = bracketbuster game
# = Legends Classic games at Bucknell




 
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