mrjames
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10-16-19 01:29 PM - Post#288629
Towns makes the Julius Erving watch list (Top 20 small forward nationally). Aiken makes the Bob Cousy watch list (Top 20 point guard nationally).
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palestra38
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Re: Towns and Aiken 10-16-19 02:04 PM - Post#288634
In response to mrjames
Both great players, but Aiken's 34.9 usage last year and Towns' 31.9 usage in '18 really aren't compatible. Someone will have fewer touches and we'll have to see how they play together. Harvard clearly has the best overall talent---but then again, they have had that and not won for 4 years. So, gotta do it on the court.
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Jeff2sf
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10-17-19 09:17 PM - Post#288696
In response to palestra38
you just used usage rate unprompted. I'm scared and impressed.
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PennFan10
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10-18-19 03:50 AM - Post#288708
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I dont’ think usage is going to be a problem. Plenty of examples of high usage players playing together successfully. Harvard has some high class problems this year and I don’t think figuring out how to use both Towns and Aiken at the same time is the kind of problem Amaker is worried about.
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palestra38
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10-18-19 09:30 AM - Post#288726
In response to Jeff2sf
I'm still using a Blackberry, if that makes you feel better.
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mrjames
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10-18-19 09:47 AM - Post#288730
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Given how bad this Harvard team is with turnovers and that Seth and Bryce have put together seasons with 30+% usage and under 20% TO rates... maybe they should use *all* of the possessions...
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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Towns and Aiken 10-18-19 11:59 AM - Post#288743
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Seriously though, haven’t read much on the impact of the longer 3 point distance. I can anticipate a series of impacts - some seemingly contradicting each other.
Assume some players will no longer be long range options. For instance, Bassey, Juzang and Brodeur come to mind. Guys like Towns, Aiken and Haskett seem to have the range. I’m sure others do as well. However, as rates drop from close to 40% to closer to 30%, will Ivy offensive schemes adjust as well?
Intent of rule was to open the game up, but isn’t there a possibility that defenders drop off of shooters who can’t make the adjustment?
My initial sense is that this change will help teams that are larger and more athletic, possibly to the detriment of Ivy OOC prospects for some matchups.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-18-19 12:00 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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mrjames
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Re: Towns and Aiken 10-18-19 01:45 PM - Post#288747
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Last time they moved the line back a foot it had a trivial impact. % make rates went down by a percentage point and take rates went down by a percentage point and a a half. To be fair, that shift down was pretty sticky... it took about a decade to claw that percentage point back and get over 35%.
My guess is that you'll hear a lot about it when a team has a bad night, but it will rarely be presented in the context of the overarching averages not changing much.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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10-18-19 02:46 PM - Post#288752
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Appears that Harvard has been preparing for the extended line for years.
Here's Tommy McCarthy (now with Rice) a few years ago:
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/C-3c54gXoAQvoPQ .jpg:la...
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Towns and Aiken 10-18-19 03:38 PM - Post#288755
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Thanks.
I think the immediate impact may be that certain players may take less 3’s. Some guys are basically already taking set shots from the outer limit of their range. This redistribution could likely result in what you previously observed: a slight drop in shooting % and shots attempted.
Largest impact could be that bigs like Brodeur, Yale’s Bruner, and Princeton’s Gladson might just be left alone until they prove they can make the shot.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-18-19 03:40 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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10-18-19 10:17 PM - Post#288772
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Crimson Madness held tonight but not televised for first time in years. Anyone who was there able to provide insight?
Looks like Aiken and Towns dressed but did not participate in the scrimmage. Baker repeated as slam dunk champ over freshman Ledlum.
Seth Towns wins 3 point shooting contest showing good elevation on highlights.
Next up, MIT on Nov 5th. I'll be at Northeastern on Nov. 8th and Lavietes for Maine on Nov. 10th.
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84grad
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10-19-19 06:21 AM - Post#288777
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Based on the posted lineups for the two teams, looks like the 5 starters sat out the scrimmage.
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SomeGuy
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10-19-19 08:33 AM - Post#288781
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I didn’t see the posted teams anywhere. What is the starting lineup that didn’t play? Lewis, Towns, Bassey, Kirkwood, Aiken?
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84grad
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10-19-19 10:25 AM - Post#288785
In response to SomeGuy
Actually, my error - Bassey played.
White - Sakota, Ledlum, Haskett, Forbes, Brayboy, Djuricic and Farley
Crimson - Tretout, O’Neil, Bassey, Juzang, Baker and Welsh
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10-21-19 06:35 PM - Post#288872
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I'm still using a Blackberry, if that makes you feel better.
You do have a sense of history, though.
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H78
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10-21-19 06:37 PM - Post#288873
In response to 84grad
Actually, my error - Bassey played.
White - Sakota, Ledlum, Haskett, Forbes, Brayboy, Djuricic and Farley
Crimson - Tretout, O’Neil, Bassey, Juzang, Baker and Welsh
Surprised how few "Starters" started. Did you notice or hear any reasons for this?
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10-21-19 06:40 PM - Post#288874
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Seth Towns wins 3 point shooting contest showing good elevation on highlights.
Hopefully, this is a promising augury for his coming season with the new 3-pt. line.
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10-21-19 08:04 PM - Post#288876
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Seth, Bryce, Rio and Robert always shout from well behind the line.
Guys like Christian, Justin, Danilo and Noah not so much.
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Towns and Aiken 10-21-19 09:45 PM - Post#288880
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Two twitter posts by Seth on what must have been very late Friday (afterCrimson Madness)
First:
It’s been a tough 19 months, and although this long, winding road to recovery has yet to reveal its luminous end, my time will beckon right on cue. I’ll be ready when it does, and I’m coming for blood. #LL3Z
Then, Seth posts video highlight of him winning 3 point contest at Crimson Madness and simply submits that:
Bank is open
Sounds like Seth is a work in progress, with progress.
Best wishes to you Seth.
Edited by HARVARDDADGRAD on 10-21-19 09:47 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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palestra38
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Re: Towns and Aiken 10-22-19 08:20 AM - Post#288891
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
That tweet sounds like a winning entry for the Bulwer Lytton Fiction Contest
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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10-22-19 12:25 PM - Post#288910
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Seth has always been intentionally cryptic in his messaging. However, to be eligible for your esteemed award the story needs to be 'bad' - sounds like there is light at the end of this tunnel and so Seth will be ineligible.
Let's hope for Seth's sake that there is a positive ending as this exceptional athlete has endured over 18 months of pain, hardship and difficult rehabilitation, all while remaining in school and valuing his education, responsibilities and opportunities. A great teammate, the photo of Seth showing pure joy while holding last year's Ivy Championship trophy is a testament to his dedication.
Seth, those that care are looking forward to bigger and better things from you, both on and off the court!
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palestra38
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10-22-19 12:36 PM - Post#288912
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I was kidding, of course, but for your information, the "story" does not have to be bad (since no story exists)--it is the prose that is judged.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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10-22-19 12:45 PM - Post#288913
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Of course. Entries must relate to a "hypothetical bad novel," and I understand the distinction between the writing and the story.
From my perspective, a healthy and successful return for Seth is a good story, regardless of the prose.
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10-25-19 12:30 PM - Post#289085
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A healthy Seth “Smooth†Towns elevates this team to a very healthy favorite for the league and to a decent shot at a fIt-looking OOC record. Funny to think of such an un-flashy but substantive player winning an award named after Dr. J.
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10-26-19 09:36 AM - Post#289115
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So SB Nation has Crimson at #8 and mentions that Seth Towns is a potential late 2nd round draft pick if he can regain form.
Vermont selected at #7 and certainly Gonzaga, St. Mary's and Memphis will be listed even higher. Too bad recent matchups vs Vermont, St. Mary's and Memphis (a few years ago) aren't continuing.
Writeup focuses on Seth's healthy, team depth but also notes that Harvard's schedule doesn't provide many games for Crimson to make a statement. Concludes that Harvard could be a scary 12 seed. Twelve seed is advantageous as it draws a 5 seed and then 4/13 seed.
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