Bison137
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10-17-19 06:52 PM - Post#288692
Was talking to a couple alums last week about how scholarships have greatly expanded the Bison recruiting net and thought I'd put together a list of where recruits have come from since the inception of scholarships. I identified 26 states/provinces where Bison played HS ball. (Included Germany but not the Bahamas.) The list includes all scholarship players plus any walk-ons who played multiple games. My count starts with the McNaughton class and ends with this year's current freshmen.
I've filled in the most common state, which not surprisingly is PA, but left the others blank to see if someone can identify the players who played in each state/province. Interestingly Texas and North Carolina, along with Maryland, are the most common. Note that some players played their HS ball in more than one state.
1 . Alabama (1) -
2 . Arizona (1) -
3 . California (3) -
4 . Connecticut (3) -
5 . Georgia (2) -
6 . Germany (1) -
7 . Illinois (4) -
8 . Indiana (1) -
9 . Maine (1) -
10 . Maryland (5) -
11 . Massachusetts (1) -
12 . Michigan (2) -
13 . Minnesota (2) -
14 . New Hampshire (1) -
15 . New Jersey (4) -
16 . New Mexico (1) -
17 . New York (1)
18 . North Carolina (5) -
19 . Nova Scotia (1) -
20 . Oklahoma (1) -
21 . Ontario (2) -
22 . Pennsylvania (13) - Sestina , Funk , Newman , Foulland , Show , Ayers , R Hill , Klebon , Cohen , Vegotsky , R Ebner , T O'Brien , J Griffin
23 . Rhode Island (1)
24 . Tennessee (1)
25 . Texas (5) -
26 . Virginia (4) -
Note: My count could easily have missed something.
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KenZ
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Re: Dramatic Expansion of Bison Recruiting Net With Scholarships
10-17-19 08:11 PM - Post#288694
In response to Bison137
first pass:
1 . Alabama (1) - Boon
2 . Arizona (1) - Azzinaro
3 . California (3) - oReilly, Andoh, ?
4 . Connecticut (3) - Frazier, current walk on, ?
5 . Georgia (2) - Toomer, Rhodes
6 . Germany (1) - McNaughton
7 . Illinois (4) - Timmerman, Brackney, ?, ?
8 . Indiana (1) - Ellis
9 . Maine (1) - Mastropaolo
10 . Maryland (5) - Thomas, Frazier, Mackenzie, Moore, ?
11 . Massachusetts (1) - ?
12 . Michigan (2) - Hass, Starkey
13 . Minnesota (2) - Muscala, ?
14 . New Hampshire (1) - ?
15 . New Jersey (4) - Rice, Hoffman, ?, ?
16 . New Mexico (1) - ?
17 . New York (1) - Brown
18 . North Carolina (5) - Van Der Heijden, Meeks, Robertson, ?, leaper grad year at nca&t
19 . Nova Scotia (1) - Johnson
20 . Oklahoma (1) - John ? first scholly recruit hurt foot
21 . Ontario (2) - Mackenzie, Andoh
22 . Pennsylvania (13) - Sestina , Funk , Newman , Foulland , Show , Ayers , R Hill , Klebon , Cohen , Vegotsky , R Ebner , T O'Brien , J Griffin
23 . Rhode Island (1) - Newman
24 . Tennessee (1) - Kasper
25 . Texas (5) - Azzinaro, Spear, Leo, c/f same year as Azz, ?
26 . Virginia (4) - Linthicum, ?, ?, ?
some complete blanks and some i can envision player, but am forgetting their name.
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Bison137
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10-17-19 09:28 PM - Post#288697
In response to KenZ
Not bad - but two errors. Also current walk-on Jordan Sechan doesn't count, since I set the criteria as scholarship players plus walk-ons who started multiple games.
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Bison7882
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10-17-19 09:52 PM - Post#288699
In response to Bison137
Holland Mack and Joe Willman were from New Jersey.
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KenZ
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10-17-19 09:55 PM - Post#288700
In response to Bison137
missed the walk ons must have started two games, but that reminded me:
-add Badmus to Illinois
- remembered last name John Clark from Oklahoma
- add Tyree to Texas
- transfer from Penn is probably Connecticut
- add Willman to NJ
as for errors:
not too good on prep school locations so could be an error with Frazier and/or Newman
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Bison137
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10-17-19 10:14 PM - Post#288701
In response to Bison7882
Holland Mack and Joe Willman were from New Jersey.
Yes, but only Willman counts for this exercise because Mack predated scholarships. He came in with Lee and Bettencourt (and Vaier-McClymont) in the last non-scholarship class.
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Bison137
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10-17-19 10:16 PM - Post#288702
In response to KenZ
as for errors:
not too good on prep school locations so could be an error with Frazier and/or Newman
Errors were not on prep school guys.
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Bison54
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10-17-19 10:55 PM - Post#288704
In response to Bison137
1 . Alabama (1) - Boon
2 . Arizona (1) -
3 . California (3) - Andoh, O'Reilly, Evans
4 . Connecticut (3) - Fitzpatrick, Frazier (also MD)
5 . Georgia (2) - Rhodes, Toomer
6 . Germany (1) - McNaughton
7 . Illinois (4) - Sotos, Timmerman, Badmus, Brackney
8 . Indiana (1) - Ellis (also NH)
9 . Maine (1) - Mastropaolo
10 . Maryland (5) - Moore, Castleberry, Frazier, Zach T, McKenzie (Also Ont)
11 . Massachusetts (1) -
12 . Michigan (2) - Starkey, Hass
13 . Minnesota (2) - Muscala, Oberfeld
14 . New Hampshire (1) - Ellis (Also Ind)
15 . New Jersey (4) - Willman, Hoffman, Rice, Andrew Morrison
16 . New Mexico (1) - Linthicum (Also VA)
17 . New York (1) Don Brown
18 . North Carolina (5) - Meeks, Robertson, Vanderheiden,Singleton
19 . Nova Scotia (1) - Bryson J (Also Ont)
20 . Oklahoma (1) - Clark
21 . Ontario (2) - Bryson J (also NS), McKenzie (also MD)
22 . Pennsylvania (13) - Sestina , Funk , Newman , Foulland , Show , Ayers , R Hill , Klebon , Cohen , Vegotsky , R Ebner , T O'Brien , J Griffin
23 . Rhode Island (1) Newman (also PA)
24 . Tennessee (1) Kasper
25 . Texas (5) - Spear, Rob Thomas (Also NJ), Tyree, leo, MacLaey, Azzinaro
26 . Virginia (4) - Behan, Shazier, Steve Brown, Nate Jones, Linthicum(Also NM)
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Bison137
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10-17-19 11:51 PM - Post#288706
In response to Bison54
Note on the above. I didn't include Morrison since he didn't fit the criteria of having been on scholarship or being a walk-on who started multiple games.
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KenZ
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10-18-19 12:19 AM - Post#288707
In response to Bison137
some egregious oversights on my part for recent guys like Sotos, Jones and and S. Brown.
going off of B54's list, i presume my errors to be:
- Azzinaro in AZ, and
- Andoh in Ontario
i think Andoh is Arizona as well as Cali
so am i correct that we are still missing:
Massachusetts-1
Connecticut-1
North Carolina-1
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Bison137
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Dramatic Expansion of Bison Recruiting Net With Scholarships
10-18-19 10:17 AM - Post#288734
In response to KenZ
some egregious oversights on my part for recent guys like Sotos, Jones and and S. Brown.
going off of B54's list, i presume my errors to be:
- Azzinaro in AZ, and
- Andoh in Ontario
i think Andoh is Arizona as well as Cali
so am i correct that we are still missing:
Massachusetts-1
Connecticut-1
North Carolina-1
Still missing Massachusetts and Connecticut. As for NC, I just realized I had incorrectly placed Nate Jones into the NC list instead of VA, where he belongs. So there are actually five VA players and all have been accounted for. Only four NC players.
You are correct that Andoh played the early part of his HS ball in AZ. He was born in Canada, which may have caused the confusion. As for the confusion on Azzinaro, when he committed to Bucknell it was reported that his family was moving to Arizona and that he would play there senior year. In fact, I believe he played some AAU ball in Arizona during that summer. But he ended up returning to the same San Antonio HS, as BRW can attest to. I always assumed that the move was postponed or never happened, or else that he stayed in San Antonio and lived with friends to complete his senior year.
One correction on B54's list. Rob Thomas didn't play HS ball in Texas, only NJ. His family moved to Texas after he finished in HS, so he was always listed as being from Texas on the Bison roster.
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KenZ
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10-18-19 10:57 AM - Post#288740
In response to Bison137
thanks for this enjoyable mental execise even though it kept me awake last night. not sure i'll ever come up with the last two without cheating, but will continue trying for one more day. of course, presumably plenty of other people here with better memories who might get them first.
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BisonFan4
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10-18-19 04:55 PM - Post#288761
In response to KenZ
Connecticut is backup pg Jordan Sechan, the current walk-on who I believe was given a scholarship at some pt
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Bison137
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10-18-19 09:06 PM - Post#288770
In response to BisonFan4
Connecticut is backup pg Jordan Sechan, the current walk-on who I believe was given a scholarship at some pt
Don't think he could have been given a scholarship since the Bison have been at the max of 13 scholarships for all the seasons he has been a Bison.
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Bison137
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Re: Dramatic Expansion of Bison Recruiting Net With Scholarships
10-20-19 06:30 PM - Post#288814
In response to Bison137
some egregious oversights on my part for recent guys like Sotos, Jones and and S. Brown.
going off of B54's list, i presume my errors to be:
- Azzinaro in AZ, and
- Andoh in Ontario
i think Andoh is Arizona as well as Cali
so am i correct that we are still missing:
Massachusetts-1
Connecticut-1
North Carolina-1
Still missing Massachusetts and Connecticut. As for NC, I just realized I had incorrectly placed Nate Jones into the NC list instead of VA, where he belongs. So there are actually five VA players and all have been accounted for. Only four NC players.
Still missing two from the original list: one who played for a HS in Connecticut and one who played for a HS in Massachusetts. (Not Bettencourt since he was one year prior to scholarships). Here is a hint on each:
- One of the missing players did not go directly to Bucknell when he left this HS.
- The other one was coached by the father of a future teammate when he was at the HS in question.
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Raymond Bucknell
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10-21-19 07:40 AM - Post#288828
In response to Bison137
IIRC Fitzpatrick was from Cheshire, CT
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Bison137
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10-21-19 08:08 AM - Post#288829
In response to Raymond Bucknell
IIRC Fitzpatrick was from Cheshire, CT
Yes he was. But if you look above at the last filled-out list by B54, we already have him (and Ryan Frazier) as being from Connecticut. So we still need a 3rd one who played for a CT HS. Plus one who played for a MA HS.
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BisonFan4
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10-21-19 09:58 AM - Post#288832
In response to Bison137
Sechan is from Ct
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Bison137
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10-21-19 10:01 AM - Post#288833
In response to BisonFan4
Sechan is from Ct
Yes, but he is in the non-scholarship bucket. He actually played his last few years of HS ball in Massachusetts but did play the earlier years at a private school in CT.
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KenZ
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10-21-19 10:06 AM - Post#288834
In response to BisonFan4
okay, last hints pointed me to the last two, but i still had to semi-cheat to get, so not going to list them.
first was resolved by looking up where various prep schools are located and realizing that NMH is in Massachusetts.
was pretty confident i knew who the 'future teammate' and his father, the coach were. that pointed to timeframe and school. i determined player by process of elimination, but still felt compelled to confirm accuracy by looking up his bio.
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Bison137
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10-23-19 01:52 PM - Post#288979
In response to KenZ
Ken Z is correct on the two missing names. The Bison who played HS ball in MA is Brian Fitzpatrick, who did a PG year at Northfield Mount Hermon before heading off to Penn, followed by a transfer to Bucknell. The missing CT player is Donald Brown, who did a PG year at St. Thomas More. While there, his coach was Jere Quinn, the father of Matt Quinn, who was a part-time starter for the Bison before graduating in 2004. Jere Quinn, btw, has won over 1000 games during his tenure.
The complete list:
1 . Alabama (1) - Boon
2 . Arizona (1) - Andoh (also CA)
3 . California (3) - Andoh, O'Reilly, Evans
4 . Connecticut (3) - Fitzpatrick (also MA), Frazier, D Brown
5 . Georgia (2) - Rhodes, Toomer
6 . Germany (1) - McNaughton
7 . Illinois (4) - Sotos, Timmerman, Badmus, Brackney
8 . Indiana (1) - Ellis (also NH)
9 . Maine (1) - Mastropaolo
10 . Maryland (5) - Moore, Castleberry, Frazier, Z Thomas, Mackenzie (Also Ont)
11 . Massachusetts (1) - Fitzpatrck (also CT)
12 . Michigan (2) - Starkey, Hass
13 . Minnesota (2) - Muscala, Oberfeld
14 . New Hampshire (1) - Ellis (Also IN)
15 . New Jersey (4) - Willman, Hoffman, Rice, R. Thomas
16 . New Mexico (1) - Linthicum (Also VA)
17 . New York (1) Don Brown (also CT)
18 . North Carolina (4) - Meeks, Robertson, van der Heijden, Singleton
19 . Nova Scotia (1) - B Johnson (Also Ont)
20 . Oklahoma (1) - J Clark
21 . Ontario (2) - B Johnson (also NS), Mackenzie (also MD)
22 . Pennsylvania (13) - Sestina , Funk , Newman , Foulland , Show , Ayers , R Hill , Klebon , Cohen , Vegotsky , R Ebner , T O'Brien , J Griffin
23 . Rhode Island (1) Newman (also PA)
24 . Tennessee (1) Kasper
25 . Texas (5) - Spear, Tyree, leo, MacLaey, Azzinaro
26 . Virginia (5) - Behan, Shazier, Steve Brown, Nate Jones, Linthicum (Also NM)
As mentioned in the initial post, walk-ons were included if they started multiple games.
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atlantabison
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10-24-19 11:02 PM - Post#289026
In response to Bison137
Is the wider recruiting net a function of scholarships or a function of name recognition following Kansas? The time frame is similar so it would be hard to scientifically peg cause and effect here.
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Bison137
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10-24-19 11:15 PM - Post#289027
In response to atlantabison
Is the wider recruiting net a function of scholarships or a function of name recognition following Kansas? The time frame is similar so it would be hard to scientifically peg cause and effect here.
Probably a combination, but I am fairly sure a lot of it is due scholarships plus a bigger recruiting budget. Coaches in recent years have more of a budget to travel to tournaments, high school workouts, etc in far-off places. It is unlikely that you saw many Bison coaches in Texas, California, Georgia, etc 20+ years ago.
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