jmverlin
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10-31-19 09:18 AM - Post#289323
For your guys' enjoyment/perusal:
https://www.cityofbasketballlove.com/news_article/...
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pennhoops
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10-31-19 09:54 AM - Post#289327
In response to jmverlin
nice stuff as usual
little bullish on wang, little surprised none of the penn frosh are among the newcomers
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jmverlin
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CoBL Preseason All-City 6
10-31-19 10:28 AM - Post#289335
In response to pennhoops
I think the biggest reason I didn't put any of the Penn freshmen there is I'm not sure exactly who's going to grab a big role. Could be Dingle, could be Martz, could be Monroe, could be Charles, could be Lorca-Lloyd, could be none of them. The five I listed I expect to all have major impacts with their programs, potentially starting.
Edited by jmverlin on 10-31-19 10:28 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Streamers
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10-31-19 12:30 PM - Post#289343
In response to jmverlin
I see your point. FWIW I really think MLL will get some serious minutes. After that, it gets murky but at least one of the guards will see lots of time. If I had to guess, it would be Dingle based on what has trickled out so far; but let's see which one proves himself on the defensive end in the early going.
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jmverlin
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10-31-19 12:37 PM - Post#289345
In response to Streamers
I don't know he'll get serious minutes. I think ultimately they're best with AJ at the '5' and not the '4' and that means limited minutes for Jackson & Lorca-Lloyd, though more minutes for someone like a Dingle, Monroe, or Charles. I would be surprised if MLL plays more than 10 mpg this year, but I'd guess he starts at the '5' next year.
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Streamers
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10-31-19 01:46 PM - Post#289351
In response to jmverlin
I defer to you on this one mostly, except I do not see much in the way of Jackson minutes save for the odd matchup experiment. MLL could be something of a Max/Max swap being used much the same way if he proves better at both ends than Jarrod. A big if, I admit. I think SD is more comfortable with AJ + 4 shooters out there if he thinks he won't get crushed off the boards. In which case, we will see 2 bigs out there. The other x-factor is that he does not have the luxury of putting a guard (Woods) out there on bigger guys.
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jmverlin
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10-31-19 02:25 PM - Post#289360
In response to Streamers
MLL and Max Rothschild have TOTALLY different games. It's not a swap at all. MLL is a true 5, a floor runner and rim protector, and that's about it at the moment in terms of skills that are college-ready. He needs a lot more work within the offense and making decisions with the ball.
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Streamers
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10-31-19 02:50 PM - Post#289363
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So you have obviously seen more scouting and video on MLL than I have. What I'm reading into your comments is that the most important distinction between the two Max is that MLL does not have Rothschild's passing prowess which makes him a major offensive liability. Not unexpected for a freshman.
Do you think any of the new guards has the potential to be a defensive stud the way Woods was?
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jmverlin
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10-31-19 02:52 PM - Post#289364
In response to Streamers
This freshman group is the most athletic group of guards they've brought in in recent memory. Monroe, Charles, and Dingle all have it in them to be plus defenders. And I don't think Martz is poor on that end, but Monroe has length and Dingle has serious muscle, plus Charles is quick as well.
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Silver Maple
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10-31-19 03:16 PM - Post#289365
In response to jmverlin
MLL and Max Rothschild have TOTALLY different games. It's not a swap at all. MLL is a true 5, a floor runner and rim protector, and that's about it at the moment in terms of skills that are college-ready. He needs a lot more work within the offense and making decisions with the ball.
This is my understanding as well. My expectation is that MLL will probably play fairly sparingly as a freshman, particularly in November and December. If the coaches are pleased with his progress, he'll play more in the latter part of the season. Next season Max will (hopefully) play a greater role. So, while Brodeur is taking a breather, I think we'll see some combination of Wang and Simmons manning the middle.
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PennFan10
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10-31-19 06:34 PM - Post#289382
In response to Silver Maple
I expect AJ to play the 5 and Wang to start at the 4. If Wang regains form he is the answer to Steve’s question about playing 2 bigs but still spacing the floor for AJ. Wang is a +rebounder and passer. Jarrod subs for AJ and MLL gets some minutes in that role or other times SD wants 2 bigs on the floor for defensive purposes but I mostly expect SD to go with AJ and Wang or AJ/Wang and 4 guards.
Martz, if he becomes a contributor helps there too because he is really a 3 on offense and could probably guard some 4’s. He is also a good 3pt shooter.
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Streamers
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10-31-19 06:45 PM - Post#289383
In response to PennFan10
Martz (whom I have seen) has Caleb Wood-style 6th man written all over him.
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jmverlin
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10-31-19 07:19 PM - Post#289385
In response to Streamers
Martz (whom I have seen) has Caleb Wood-style 6th man written all over him.
So does Jonah Charles. They both can be instant offense off the bench. I think those two will play a decent amount.
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PennFan10
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10-31-19 07:32 PM - Post#289388
In response to jmverlin
Martz is a legit 6-6 and has a high BB IQ. I like that kid.
I still think our starting 5 are probably Dev, Ryan, AJ, Mike and Bryce. Eddie is going to get every opportunity to be “the guy†and those 6 will have a lot to do with how far we go. After that all the fresh, Ray Jerome, Kuba, and the occasional Mark Jackson will be the role players.
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jmverlin
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10-31-19 07:37 PM - Post#289389
In response to PennFan10
Nailed it. Griffin Ryan shot the ball really well at the Red & Blue Scrimmage, which makes me wonder if the staff give him a shot to be a sniper off the bench, but he's pretty deep in the rotation.
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PennFan10
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10-31-19 08:05 PM - Post#289393
In response to jmverlin
SD loves him some SamJones imitators so Griff will get his shot if he keeps it up in practice.
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Streamers
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10-31-19 08:43 PM - Post#289396
In response to PennFan10
Eddie Scott is capable of making a significant contribution but he’s such a tease. One night he drops 25 and looks unguardable the next he looks lost out there. Jarrod has showed enough progress (and he can shoot FTs!) to earn him meaningful minutes. Jerome has provided some needed depth but the frosh May steal his minutes.
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PennFan10
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10-31-19 09:18 PM - Post#289397
In response to Streamers
Eddie scored 25 literally one time. lets not pretend he was inconsistent other than that. The coaches love Eddie and his lack of minutes can only be attributed to one thing: himself. As I said he will he given every opportunity again this season.
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SomeGuy
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10-31-19 10:14 PM - Post#289399
In response to PennFan10
Only quibble is that Wang will need to be a completely different guy defensively for us to play him with four guards. I think we will have at least one of AJ, Simmons, Jackson, and MLL on the floor at all times.
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PennFan10
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10-31-19 10:51 PM - Post#289400
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Only quibble is that Wang will need to be a completely different guy defensively for us to play him with four guards. I think we will have at least one of AJ, Simmons, Jackson, and MLL on the floor at all times.
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