Eric Von Zipper
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11-08-19 07:39 PM - Post#290365
Opens Dons -7 1/2 O/U 141 1/2
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bradley
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Re: San Francisco
11-09-19 07:42 PM - Post#290472
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Although Very Very Early -- This season may not only present challenges to the Tigers but the IL as a whole. Hopefully Aiken and Towns will be on the court for non-conference games shortly.
SFU guard driven team and they have some good athletic skilled players. Will be a tough game and let's see if Johns and others get their act together.
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Eric Von Zipper
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Re: San Francisco
11-09-19 08:43 PM - Post#290477
In response to bradley
Line has drifted DOWN to 6 1/2.
I'm on the money line tonight +280.
I think they bounce back in the big house.
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TigerFan
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San Francisco
11-09-19 10:51 PM - Post#290481
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Tigers looked good until 9-0 run by USF near the end of the first half. Fluke shot at the buzzer sends the Dons up 6 at the half. Richmond looks fantastic. Too many turnovers for the Tigers. Morales makes me nervous every time he touches the ball.
Edited by TigerFan on 11-09-19 10:52 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TigerFan
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11-09-19 11:07 PM - Post#290482
In response to TigerFan
Dons now driving past the Tigers at will. Down 8 at the under 16 break. Encouraged to see the Tigers playing a lot of guys, although no Schwieger tonight.
Edited by TigerFan on 11-09-19 11:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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TigerFan
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San Francisco
11-09-19 11:28 PM - Post#290484
In response to TigerFan
Tigers tighten up the defense and Llewellyn goes on a tear to cut lead from 12 down to 6.
Edited by TigerFan on 11-09-19 11:29 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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internetter
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11-09-19 11:54 PM - Post#290487
In response to TigerFan
USF won by about 10
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bradley
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Re: San Francisco
11-10-19 12:02 AM - Post#290488
In response to TigerFan
Tigers are lacking firepower and it hurts that Schweiger is not playing. Friberg, as expected, could not replicate his shooting at Duquense but he is really off tonight. FT shooting continues to be a problem.
Johns continues to struggle but he has talent === a work-in-progress. Morales is simply a disaster on the court -- totally out of control. Although Jeaelin has ups and downs, keep the ball in his hands -- Morales should not be on the court with him only as a sub for Jaelin. Freshmen appear to have some talent but simply just raw.
Tough two games -- better tonight but SFU is not as good as the Dukes. At least, they are at home Wednesday against Lafayette.
I am not quite sure why Mitch schedules such tough competition in games #1 and #2 vs. later in the non-conference schedule.
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SRP
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11-10-19 04:38 AM - Post#290493
In response to bradley
According to the box score, Morales had one turnover in 14 minutes of play. Having no steals, assists, or points is more worrying.
Obviously the big problems here are D and three-point accuracy. At least one of those must be fixed if the Tigers are to be decent this season.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-10-19 08:19 AM - Post#290495
In response to SRP
I have not seen Aririguzoh leave his man and help against a driving guard, even when he is close to the driver, and the lane is too crowded to dish.
I don't know if he has been coached not to leave his man, or lack of that defensive instinct.
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SRP
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11-10-19 05:28 PM - Post#290530
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Hope that’s not coaching.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-10-19 06:58 PM - Post#290538
In response to SRP
There's an instinct to knowing when to leave your man and help--a good interior passer can make you pay, and you can't block out your man. So Coach may feel it's better to keep him home.
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Petrie
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11-11-19 09:13 PM - Post#290642
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Our lack of depth at center is glaring. I wish Richard A. was more of a rim protector, but, given the consequence of him getting in foul trouble, I think Mitch would be wise to tell him to be very careful about helping.
I was at game in sf, and sorry to report that I thought the tigers looked awful - offense, defense, rebounding, foul shooting. Llewellyn was a bright spot and I think as others have said, Richard A was great down low on offense, but team had many aimless looking possessions. They looked tentative on offense and defense.
Hopefully the freshman grow up fast, and, if it’s not too much to ask, maybe Gladson can come back strong. Anyone have any insight on Ethan Wright’s situation? I thought he looked very promising last year.
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bradley
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11-11-19 09:59 PM - Post#290646
In response to Petrie
Interesting observations and I tend to agree. What is this team missing?
1. Senior Leadership
2. Missing SG who is a reliable 3 pt shooter
3. Pieces that fit together
In a perfect world, Jaelin consistently attacks the rim and either scores or he gets the ball to reliable 3 pt shooters. Jaelin has the ability to get the ball to an open man even if he is stopped going to the basket with some remarkable athletic moves. If Jaelin was a solid 3 pt shooter or had a reliable jump shot, he would be deadly as players can sag on him now. Even though Morales has incredible hustle, it makes no sense to have both on the floor at the same time as Morales needs to have the ball and he is not a 3 pt shooter.
As to 3 pt shooters, I would have Friberg, DesRosiers and Schwiegger on the floor with Schwiegger playing a big SG. Lanborg, who may be the IL solution is not ready yet and Johns is not a great shooter. I do not know what is going with Wright but hope to find out on Wednesday night.
The team is missing the experience and senior leadership of Stephens and Cannady who grew up under the tutelage of Spencer W. and Cook. Richmond really only played last year and there are no other strong senior players. Personally, I would turn the team over to Llewellyn, a special player, who is still experiencing growing pains and team him up with Richmond.
Finally, Kellman has some God given talent and potential.
As you point out, it is painful to watch and may remain so but let's hope that is not the case. I may be simply reacting to two bad performances.
Wednesday night is an important game as to restoring some confidence.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-12-19 07:35 AM - Post#290658
In response to bradley
We have seen these shaky early season starts in the past. Coach likes early season challenges rather than cupcakes. I suspect it makes the players more receptive to coaching.
Fortunately (if you like the Ivy tournament concept) we are playing to make the tournament and then win two games. The team can evolve quite a bit by then.
Jae-Llew so far does not have that predilection to distribute the ball that we saw with Weisz, Bell and Bray. Does he have that in his skill set?
As for Richmond, he has not yet seen the early double team, but I am sure it is coming in league play. Can he become more of a "point center"? He has risen to all challenges, but time is running out.
Schwinger's return should help a lot--his post-up skills break down the defense.
Sans Gladson, Kellman has looked the best at back-up center in a small sample size.
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JadwinGeorge
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11-12-19 01:32 PM - Post#290686
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Llewellyn definitely has the skill set to distribute, but you are correct that he lacks the "predilection"(love that). Need a lot more movement away from the ball than we are seeing which helps to tire the defense and to shorten the game. Defense has been terrible through two games. Friberg was tremendous against Duquesne but laid an egg in San Francisco (1-10,0-5 from deep) Schwieger and Wright need to be healthy, Johns need to be better at both ends and Morales needs to sit. But before you reach for the panic button remember that Myles Stephens did not play regularly until late December of his sophomore year and then primarily because Caruso left the team.(I love to point that out to Mitch!) I expect a much better performance vs Lafayette who lost its best guard last week due to injury.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-12-19 04:54 PM - Post#290703
In response to JadwinGeorge
If you talk to Coach, ask him for a weekend home game earlier in the year! I won't be able to get to a game until December 29.
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1LotteryPick1969
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11-12-19 04:54 PM - Post#290704
In response to JadwinGeorge
If you talk to Coach, ask him for a weekend home game earlier in the year! I won't be able to get to a game until December 29.
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