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bradley 
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11-20-19 08:53 PM - Post#291832    
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Tough 3rd qtr for Tigers as they were outscored by 8, 18 to 10. Littlefield did return but is not 100%. Going to be very challenging to hold onto the lead.

May not happen tonight.

 
bradley 
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11-20-19 09:24 PM - Post#291839    
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Tigers lose by 1 pt and they had the final shot. Had every opportunity to win but the offense did not perform in the 2nd half but it shows that they can play with a big time programs on the road.

Bella and Carlie now need to get healthy and fortunately they have only 1 game within the next 11 days.

Would have been crazy good if they had beaten Seton Hall, FGU and Iowa.

 
welcometothejungle 
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11-20-19 09:29 PM - Post#291843    
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Game is still going! Cunningham hit a 3 with 0.8 left on the clock, and the Tigers are off to a 6-0 run to start OT!

 
bradley 
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11-20-19 09:40 PM - Post#291848    
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Lost BTN plus at end of regulation time and missed that the Tigers sent the game into OT but still the same result -- crazy OT -- helluva of a game.

 
bradley 
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11-20-19 09:52 PM - Post#291854    
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Bella had a chance to tie the score with 5 seconds left but missed a FT then Cunningham had a chance to tie with 1 second left in OT if she made all free throws.

Cunninghams's 3 pt shot with 0.8 seconds left banked off the backboard from 8 ft beyond the 3 pt line. Could make ESPN highlights.

Tigers had a 6 pt lead in OT but could not hold on. Iowa is very tough but relieved.

Bella played really well although Carlie was only 2 for 10 and not on her game. Tigers' women have GAME.

 
bradley 
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11-21-19 08:34 AM - Post#291867    
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Lessons that may have been learned by the Tigers from last night. The Tigers have never been as long and athletic as they looked last night against a Big Ten team and they had the best player on the court from a skill set. They moved the ball better than Iowa and had more open looks. Their team defense was excellent other than collapsing on a driver and leaving too many open 3 pt shots especially in the 3rd qtr. They played very competitively on the road in a tough arena with a diminished performance by Littlefield who is fighting off an injury.

The downsides are they had a 13 pt lead in the 3rd qtr and a 6 point lead with a few minutes left in OT and could not close out the game. The Tigers also had some luck as they banked 3 3pt shots along the way.

The most glaring difference is that Iowa was simply more aggressive even though they may be slightly less skilled. Tigers had 22 fouls vs Iowa's 11 fouls as Iowa players went hard to the basket. Final factor was that Iowa players came away with the balls that were on the floor with few exceptions.

Tigers are not good enough in all likelihood to beat the Maryland Universitys of women's basketball but they are very good. They could be really special if their aggressiveness gets raised several decibels. Carla may need to throw some balls on the floor in practice with Tiger players wearing knee pads. It is probably a challenge for all IL coaches to have their players fight for balls like Power 5 programs but it probably decided last night's game.

Most encouraging sign of all is that Bella and Carlie should be good to go with proper rest and therapy.

 
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11-21-19 08:39 AM - Post#291869    
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bradley 
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11-21-19 06:45 PM - Post#291954    
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Thanks for sharing. For a team that was trailing for about 42 of 45 minutes, Iowa coach and star player were not particularly gracious in victory.

I would enjoy watching a healthy Tiger squad play Iowa on a neutral court in the NCAA Tournament.

Looked at the replay and there were so many opportunities for the Tigers to close this game out with open looks but I do give Iowa credit for tenacity. Hopefully, there is a next time in March.

 
bradley 
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11-24-19 01:53 PM - Post#292193    
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Brutal shooting performance in the 1st half by Tigers -- 28% overall shooting. They were down by 8 pts, 15-23, but had a run over the last 3 minutes of the 2nd period to go up by 3 pts, 27-24.

Hangover from Iowa?? - hope not but need to get their act together.

 
bradley 
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11-24-19 02:59 PM - Post#292194    
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Tough game to watch with the Tigers shooting 26.4% from field and 5-29 from 3 pt. Alarie and Littlefield shot 7 of 28 and had only 19pts although Bella had 9 rbs, 4 assists, 2 steals, and 3 blocks.

Defense was really good and held Monmouth to 16 pts in 2nd half after 24 pts in 1st half for 52-40 win. Defense including rebounding and blocked shots has been consistent thru the beginning of the season with 21 steals today.

It is a bit disappointing that they did not blow out Monmoumth like Rider and GW. It seems that IL teams do not blow out teams like they should, both women and men, when they are the prohibitive favorite -- lack of killer instinct - perhaps.

Should have been a 25+ win today but may have been a letdown from the last 3 games on the offensive end. They need to take the intensity to one more level to be able to play with the big "girls".

 
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11-24-19 03:32 PM - Post#292195    
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  • bradley Said:

It is a bit disappointing that they did not blow out Monmoumth like Rider and GW. It seems that IL teams do not blow out teams like they should, both women and men, when they are the prohibitive favorite -- lack of killer instinct - perhaps.




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rbg 
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11-25-19 09:00 AM - Post#292216    
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A number of the Ivy women's teams have done a good job putting away lesser competition, including Princeton. Just looking at the number of 15+ wins -

Princeton
80-47 over Rider
75-50 over GW

Penn
92-44 over Siena
85-51 over NJIT
74-42 over Iona

Harvard
68-51 over Siena

Yale
78-63 over Northeastrern

Cornell
71-51 over Albany
68-44 over NJIT
82-59 over Niagara
77-51 over Delaware State

Dartmouth
72-55 over Vermont

Columbia
70-51 over Fordham

I did not watch the last two games, but looking at the box scores, my guess is that Littlefield has not been herself since hurting her ankle against FGCU. Alarie is understandably the main part of this team, but Littlefield is a close second. She is definitely the floor general and is expected to do a lot when she is on the court.

If she played the way she did in the first 3 1/2 games, I have no doubt they would have put Monmouth away.

 
bradley 
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11-27-19 08:58 PM - Post#292575    
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IL women are now 30-14 in non-conference with several impressive wins. Several IL teams have not yet played the more challenging part of their non-conference schedule but hopefully the women continue to play well. It will certainly improve the odds of getting a second bid and although unlikely, there may be 3 teams good enough to make the tournament.

Never follow the conference rpi as it is way too early but the IL has gotten off to a very good start.

Tigers have two challenging games out of the next five games, Penn State and Marist. After that, they go on the road against Missouri and St. Louis.

Three of the most challenging remaining games on the schedule is when they open on the road at Penn, Dartmouth and Harvard to start the IL season but the Tigers are good and deep.

 
JDP 
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11-28-19 01:04 AM - Post#292583    
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The year Princeton received the at large bid, I believe their RPI was in the 20s. Last year when they were on the bubble their RPI was in the low 40s. Split the difference and say an Ivy would need to be in the low 30s RPI to get a second bid. Even with the conference currently being ranked 8th – still would think need to be better than 40.

What does that mean – assuming RealTime’s RPI projection hold roughly true:

Princeton will end up with an RPI of around 20. So if they do not win the tournament, they should receive a second bid.

Penn’s projected RPI is around 40. Clearly good enough to be in the bubble conversation. Wins at Duke and Nova would boost the RPI into the 30s to perhaps being better than bubble – clearly would be in from a Power 5

Harvard’s projected RPI is around 50. That is about where Penn was last year, and Penn was not on the bubble. Great win vs. California. We will see how Penn does at La Salle next week and if Harvard can win at St. Joes like Penn did last week. The projected RPI assumes a win over both Princeton and Penn …so not sure there are enough quality out of conference games for the Crimson to get better than a 40 RPI and Penn and Princeton also being better than 40 …

A three bid league would be nice … and given that the league is at least six teams strong … 3 bids with 3 teams of 40 or better RPI would likely happen at a Power 5 conference … all teams just have to keep winning out of conference.

Yale’s RPI is projected around 80 – clearly NIT eligible.

Dartmouth is around 120 – even with 64 in the NIT, perhaps a pay to play tournament. But with a projected record of 15-12, turning some (4ish) of those 12 losses to Ws could be enough to move the Big Green in the NIT. If the Ivies had four teams NIT eligible (I think the Ivies have a max of two in the NIT) then perhaps the best of the four NIT eligible teams joins the conference champ in the NCAA’s … Go Big Green! At least out of conference

Columbia, while talented, is projecting to a 200 RPI – same with Cornell at 211 – Brown is projecting to 240. Having seven teams better than 200 would help the conference pedigree come selection time.

All in all – Ivy Women’s Basketball, while not yet at the Power 5 level, is at the next level down, and while Princeton with Bella and company are very strong, there are five teams that could play post season, and seven that will be in the mix for the 4th Ivy tournament spot …

Columbia is recruiting well and Cornell and Brown have both made the Ivy Tournament … If six team are consistently in the top 150, then perhaps expanding the women’s tournament to six teams … and with the new Ivy schedule coming out next year with the Princeton exam redesign, there are more than enough weeks (10) starting in January to start with two travel partner Saturday weekends, then the six Ivy weekends … a pre-tournament Ivy weekend where the top four teams play the bottom four teams at home on a Saturday(or at the Ivy regular season champ site) to see who goes to the tournament … and then the tournament weekend … would not expand the length of the Ivy season


Edited by JDP on 11-28-19 01:10 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bradley 
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Re: Women&#039;s BB
11-30-19 09:48 PM - Post#293068    
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Thanks for information.

IL women are now 34-15 in non-conference play. Yale came back and won two games after getting destroyed by #11 ranked UCLA. It is unfortunate that Penn lost to Duke but let's hope that Il teams continue to perform well prior to IL play. It would not be surprising if there are less lopsided games this year when IL teams meet and they will probably be a number of upsets.

Tigers need to get their foot on the pedal and keep winning. Tiger's opponent St. Francis has three very good players including their senior SG who averages 19 per game and has been selected to participate on Australian national teams since age 17.

Tigers will have a height advantage and should have an athletic advantage and they are at home.

Best strategy to get a bid no matter what happens at IvyMadness is to win and win. Good performance by all IL teams will help to keep a 2nd bid alive for Tigers and another team(s).

Bella and Carlie need to come out strong from the get go tomorrow..



 
bradley 
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12-01-19 01:04 PM - Post#293096    
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No Bella today.

 
bradley 
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12-01-19 01:51 PM - Post#293106    
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13-0 start -- 42-18 half time.

Myers shot well and scored 11 points. Bella's replacement frosh Mitchell played very well -- she is a player.

Tigers dominating the boards and getting many turnovers. Defense remains intense. Bench will get a lot of minutes in 2nd half but bench is thin with all the injuries.

 
bradley 
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12-01-19 02:56 PM - Post#293162    
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After the 3rd qtr, defense and offense got sloppy but dominant win, 76-44. Mitchell, Bella's replacement, played 25 minutes with 11 pts and 14 rebounds. Myers had 17 pts in 16 minutes.

It looked like Coach Berube did not want to take any chances with injuries to Bella or Carlie, limited playing time, as they have one of their toughest games on the schedule next week at Marist. Marist has traditionally had a very strong women's program.

Mitchell and Embro may be the replacements for Bella and Bauer next year up front. Team is very deep although inconsistent in shooting, especially 3s', but very consistent on D and rebounding.

 
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