bradley
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Re: Women's BB
12-07-19 11:03 PM - Post#294069
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Prior to today's games, IL had 3 teams in the top 25 mid-majors, Princeton-4, Penn-14 and Harvard-19. Tigers have now beaten Marist-10, FGU-5 and Roder-23.
Hopefully, non-conference performance for IL teams continue on to give an opportunity for more than one bids regardless of IvyMadness but time will tell.
Today, IL women won 3 of 5 now the women are now 43-23 in non-conference play.
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Re: Women's BB
12-07-19 11:41 PM - Post#294076
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Unfortunately most of the Ivies OOC has been played in the bakery so the 43-23 record is a bit deceiving.
For what it's worth, this hasn't been the case for the Tigers. FGCU is now 9-1 and recently won the Cancun Challenge beating Notre Dame in the process. Rider has also played very well since their opening loss to Princeton. A remarkable win at Marist today having to play without Bella again. Obviously need her too be healthy for the upcoming games and of course the league season.
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bradley
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Re: Women's BB
12-08-19 10:04 AM - Post#294092
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I did see where one rating service has the IL women as the 8th ranked conference -- 11th last year. Harvard and Yale and to a somewhat lesser extent Cornell and Columbia have reasonably competitive non-conference schedules although Princeton's schedule is at a different level. Penn's schedule is surprising as they obviously have a good team but it may be more challenging for them to get a bid if they do not win IvyMadness -- not sure that I understand their logic as to scheduling non-conference games.
Based on the reply of last night's game, Tigers definitely need Bella on the offensive end. One weakness of the team right now is shot selection and they are not a great shooting team. With Bella, FG percentage obviously goes up with better looks for 3 pt shooters.
Carla needs to solve offensive shooting funk as it might well determine how far they go if injuries do not stop them. Bella was walking fine last evening on the bench.
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12-08-19 02:22 PM - Post#294121
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Hi bradley,
I provided some stats on the Ivy League board to address some of your scheduling questions. The one point that is somewhat buried is the post is that the Ivies need to play more top 100 teams and win those games … not many Ivy teams have beaten a non-Ivy top 25 team.
Ivies play 24 top 100 gams – 5-12 with 7 to come – Princeton has 4 wins and a win over 101 GW
Princeton has had the hardest schedule early with an average 100 RPI … Penn’s remaining out of conference schedule is 108 … By Realtime RPI both teams will have an average out of conference RPI of around 150 … with Princeton playing the more barbelled schedule
It does make sense … with senior Bella, Princeton should be trying to schedule more top end games, but also needs some easier games to get the full bench into play … it has worked, barring some crazy falloff in the Ivies … they likely can lose 2-3 regular conference games to Harvard, Penn or Yale, and the tournament final and still get an at-large bid … their projected #16 RPI would not likely get below the high 30s and they have a very good NCAA history.
Penn’s out of conference schedule has at its core the Big 5 and Drexel … usually all good teams, but the bottom end have been 125-175 rpi teams not 75-125 rpi as in the past …If Penn knew Kayla as a freshman would come in and average nearly 20 ppg, then I suspect a few games would have gotten swapped. But as Penn has played really well in the wins, they have gotten a lot of players (some who have not played much in past years) valuable looks and playing time for what should be a very competitive Ivy season and the remainder of the city series Drexel (40), Nova (147) and Temple (48)
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bradley
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12-10-19 06:27 PM - Post#294359
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Bella is not playing again but she is walking.
Tigers played a lazy first half both defensively and offensively but they had a good final 2 minutes to go up 20-11.
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12-10-19 06:55 PM - Post#294364
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Poor play in 2nd qtr as well, 31-20 at half time. This game should be a wide margin victory. Carla may have to get them focused at half time.
3rd and 4th quarters have been a strength for this y-t-d but they need to get out of la la land.
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bradley
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12-10-19 07:46 PM - Post#294371
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Tigers woke up.
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bradley
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12-10-19 08:28 PM - Post#294375
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When will Bella return? Direct response: SOON.
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12-10-19 08:52 PM - Post#294379
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Per Coach Berube she hopes to be back for Penn State. Wasn’t needed tonight.
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12-11-19 10:04 AM - Post#294439
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Women have moved up to #28 in the coaches poll with Florida Gulf Coast at #26 even with the Tigers winning rather easily at home, 14 pts, without Bella against FGU but FGU had some big time wins against Power 5 competition.
AP has FGU at #28 without any votes for the Tigers -- no surprise.
Women have the next two games against traditionally strong Big 5 teams, PSU and Missouri, that have height and talent but disappointing seasons so far. Missouri lost by 12 pts against Courtney's UNC team in the finals of the Cancun Tournament.
If, big if, the Tigers win both games and with a few good breaks, they could get within to #25 in the coaches poll. They do need Bella for both of these games, especially Missouri, as a defensive presence.
The obvious goal is to receive the highest rank possible if they get into the NCAAW Tournament. They may have the opportunity to secure a rank that has not been seen in a long long time in the IL. The quality of the IL women's play is a big plus for the Tigers but will also present challenges to win games within the league.
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12-13-19 10:49 AM - Post#294600
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It was just announced that Bella has received the Philadelphia Sports Writers Association Athlete of the Year Award. Prior winners include Jalen Brunson, Brian Westbrook etc.
Drives home the point even more that the Tigers definitely need Bella to make some "hay" on the national stage this year. She brings multi-dimensional skill levels to the table against Power 5 competition.
Hopefully, she plays tomorrow against Penn State and more importantly on the road against Missouri and St. Louis next week. The Tigers are 5-0 without her this year against challenging competition and last year, they were 2-7 without her so the surrounding players are better and/or more experienced but Bella is needed for the Tigers to be truly a top 25 team.
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12-13-19 11:02 PM - Post#294633
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Penn State women's basketball program has historically been a Big Time successful program although it has experienced some ups and downs in recent years. They have won multiple Big Ten titles.
They have height and one star player, junior guard McDaniel, who has average 33.5 pts over the past two games including 40 against Pitt in their last game. PSU has also beaten Clemson, 5-4 on the year. They have a new coach and play pressure defense -- athletic team.
It is helpful that it is a home game and we can only hope that Bella is on the court especially with PSU's rebounding capabilities. PSU is probably not as good as Iowa but it will be a challenging game followed by probably even more challenging games on the road against Missouri and St. Louis. It is important to win at least 2 of the next 3 games and tomorrow is a good one to get in the bank.
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Women's BB
12-14-19 04:38 PM - Post#294648
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Princeton 29 PSU 13 with 4:51 left in 1st half.
PSU started strong, but Princeton has locked them down. PSU has not scored in almost 8 minutes and Princeton had an 18-0 run.
Alarie is back and completely dominant. She has 16 points (2-2 from 2, 4-5 from 3). Her threes have all been at the top of the arc from beyond the men's range. She will need to keep taking threes to get ready for the WNBA.
Littlefield has 7 points on three driving layups, frustrating PSU from the inside.
Edited by rbg on 12-14-19 04:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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12-14-19 04:55 PM - Post#294649
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Princeton 40 PSU 28 halftime
Shooting
Princeton 16-35 46% (11-20 55% from 2, 5-15 33% from 3), 3-3 100% FT
PSU 10-21 48% (6-17 35% from 2, 4-4 100% from 3), 4-5 80% FT
Alarie 19 (3-4, 4-5, 1-1)
Littlefield 11 (3-6, 1-1, 2-2)
Frazier 9 (4-7, 0-0, 1-1)
Marisa 7 (1-3, 1-1, 2-2)
Hagan 6 (0-0, 2-2, 0-0)
McDaniel 2 (came in as Big X's leading scorer at 19.9 ppg)
Rebounds
Princeton 14 (6 off 33%, 8 def 67%) Mitchell & Stone 3 each
PSU 16 (4 off 33%, 12 def 67%) McDaniel 4
Assists
Princeton 12 (of 16 75%) Stone and Connolly 3 each
PSU 4 (of 10 40%)
Turnovers
Princeton 4 (PSU 0 pts)
PSU 16 (Princeton 16 pts)
Steals
Princeton 9 (Littlefield and Connolly 3 each)
PSU 1
Points in Paint
Princeton 22
PSU 12
Edited by rbg on 12-14-19 05:10 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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bradley
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12-14-19 05:04 PM - Post#294651
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3 pointer by PSU with one second left was not helpful but a good 1st half after a slow start.
Bella and Carlie had 30 of 40 points -- they can play. Bella was absurdly hot with 4 out of 5 3 pointers which will not continue but if the other big does not come out to defend, Bella will pull the trigger.
The other Tiger players contributed on the defensive end. 16 turnovers by PSU vs. 4 by Tigers.
This game is definitely not over.
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12-14-19 05:24 PM - Post#294652
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Princeton 61 PSU 40 after 3rd quarter
Alarie 23 (4-7, 4-5, 3-3), 4 reb, 2 blocks
Littlefield 20 (5-8, 2-2, 4-4), 3 assists, 3 steals
Mitchell & Cunningham 6 each
Frazier 12
Marison 10
McDaniel 2
Turnovers
PSU 21 (Princeton 23 points)
Princeton 8 (PSU 2 points)
Rebounds
Princeton 22 PSU 22
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12-14-19 06:00 PM - Post#294653
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Princeton 72 PSU 55
Shooting
Princeton 28-63 44% (20-39 51% from 2, 8-24 33% from 3), 8-9 89% FT
PSU 18-43 42% (12-31 39% from 2, 6-12 50% from 3), 13-17 77% FT
Littlefield 25 pts (6-9, 3-4, 4-4), 3 assists, 3 steals, 35 min
Alarie 23 pts (4-8, 4-5, 3-3), 5 reb, 3 blocks, 27 min
Cunningham 9 (3-4, 1-4), 4 reb, 4 assists
Mitchell 7 (3-6, 0-1), 7 reb
Connolly 0 pts, 6 assists, 3 steals
Stone 0 pts (0-2, 0-3), 3 reb, 3 assists
Meyers 2 (1-4, 0-4)
Frazier 12 pts (5-9, 0-0, 0-0), 5 reb
Marisa 12 (2-5, 2-4)
Hagans 9 (1-1, 2-4, 1-1)
Ebo 8 (1-4, 0-1, 6-8), 7 reb
McDaniel 3 (1-7, 0-0, 1-2), 4 reb, 4 assists, 8 turnovers
Rebounds
Princeton 29 (11 off 32%, 18 def 67%)
PSU 32 (9 off 33%, 23 def 68%)
Assists
Princeton 20 of 28 (71%)
PSU 8 of 18 (44%)
Turnovers
Princeton 12 (PSU 6 pts)
PSU 27 (Princeton 31 pts)
Steals
Princeton 12
PSU 8
Points in Paint
Princeton 38
PSU 24
https://goprincetontigers .com/sidearmstats/wbball/...
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12-14-19 06:13 PM - Post#294656
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I am not sure what has been the most impressive performance of the season but this one was very good.
After a very slow start, down 2-8, the Tigers had a 26 point lead early in the 4th quarter, 69-43. They shut down the 17th leader scorer in the country to 3 pts on 1-7 shooting. She had difficulty in even getting off shots. PSU was held scoreless for almost 8 minutes in the 2nd quarter -- crazy good defense.
Bella and Littlefied had 48 points on combined 7 out of 9 3 pt shooting. Bella's presence just creates opportunities for others and Carlie has taken a huge step up from her very disappointing performance against Kentucky in the tournament last year.
Two big games coming up and not easy ones. Hopefully, Courtney calls up Berube to give her some tips as UNC beat Missouri by 12 in the final of the Cancun Classic. Missouri has 2 of the top 30 freshmen recruits in the country but they should enjoy tonight.
This team plays high level team basketball and really good defense. Let's hope that they make some noise down the road and they might indeed.
Amazingly, they will face tough competition in the IL this year that hopefully serves them well.
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12-18-19 08:44 AM - Post#294803
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Tigers are now #27 in coaches' poll and ESPN has them as #9 seed in NCAAW Tournament. Tigers do not even show up in the AP poll. They are still ranked as #4 team in Mid-Major Poll.
They were 4-0 without Bella vs. 2-7 last year when she was injured including wins against Seton Hall, FGU (#26 in AP and Coaches Poll) and Marist.
5 of next 6 games are on the road including their first three IL games. Three of the next six road opponents have a combined 21-7 record == St. Louis, Penn and Harvard.
Surprisingly, their most challenging upcoming game will probably be tonight against 3-8 Missouri and/or Penn at the Palestra. Missouri has been a top women's program with 4 consecutive trips to the tournament and they have two of the top 30 recruits in the country as freshmen who are major contributors. They lost to Courtney's team in the Cancun Classic final and they lost a tight game against the 17th seed team on the road last week. They are coming of age and they are dangerous.
Their roster is full of all state players and they have height and will probably be the most athletic team that the Tigers face, significantly more than Iowa. Fortunately, they are young but they are coming of age.
On paper, it would be a bad loss although Missouri will probably be a competitive team in the SEC. The Tigers will need their "A" game.
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12-18-19 09:24 PM - Post#294854
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Up 15-5 after the 1st quarter at Missouri behind 8 from Littlefield and 7 from Alarie. Tigers forced 5 TOs and a 2/13 shooting start from Missouri
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