bison63
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11-11-19 02:34 PM - Post#290609
Hofstra rebounded from its mystifying loss to SJ State, with a 20 point home win over Monmouth on Saturday night. This should be a good game, definitely winnable, but it figures to be competitive.
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nh2032
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Re: Hofstra Game
11-11-19 03:07 PM - Post#290618
In response to bison63
King Rice was at the game against Vermont yesterday. Let's hope he passed along some lessons learned afterwards.
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Paulie777
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11-13-19 07:05 PM - Post#290855
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If Bucknell tries to run with Hofstra, they won't be able to keep up. Conversely, if they play heavy D then they will be out of luck there. Hofstra by 15. I hope Bucknell pulls it off, but I don't see how. I predict Hofstra 77-59.
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Bison89
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11-13-19 07:08 PM - Post#290856
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What happened to Positive Paulie?
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11-13-19 07:49 PM - Post#290858
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On the pregame show, Coach Davis said Avi Toomer will be out tonight but they hope for him to return Saturday at Canisius.
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bison63
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11-13-19 08:04 PM - Post#290860
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If Bucknell tries to run with Hofstra, they won't be able to keep up. Conversely, if they play heavy D then they will be out of luck there. Hofstra by 15. I hope Bucknell pulls it off, but I don't see how. I predict Hofstra 77-59.
This is not the Hofstra of Justin Wright Foreman. no need for doom and gloom
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bison63
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11-13-19 08:11 PM - Post#290862
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Am l the only one having trouble with the PLN. Just getting a black screen
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bison63
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11-13-19 08:24 PM - Post#290868
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Finally got it. Also on Pluto, though that stream is a good 5 minutes behind my PC
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bison63
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11-13-19 08:41 PM - Post#290876
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Love that they are letting them play.
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11-13-19 09:00 PM - Post#290881
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Love the way Spear is protecting the rim
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Bison137
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11-13-19 09:12 PM - Post#290889
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Ref clearly in WAY over his head. Now he T’s up ND for absolutely nothing.
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bison63
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11-13-19 09:17 PM - Post#290890
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Refs not calling it the same way this half
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Bison137
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11-13-19 09:25 PM - Post#290896
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No. And the young Ref, who looks like he is 16 and refs like he’s 6, is totally incompetent. Should be doing HS JV games.
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bison63
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11-13-19 09:38 PM - Post#290902
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Any ref who can provoke a “T†out of ND has got to be bad.
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11-13-19 09:41 PM - Post#290905
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Sorry to say this but I struggle to see what value Robertson provides out there. He just is very limited offensively and doesn’t defend terribly well. Surprised JVD isn’t getting any run.
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Paulie777
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Hofstra Game
11-13-19 09:57 PM - Post#290908
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If Bucknell tries to run with Hofstra, they won't be able to keep up. Conversely, if they play heavy D then they will be out of luck there. Hofstra by 15. I hope Bucknell pulls it off, but I don't see how. I predict Hofstra 77-59.
This is not the Hofstra of Justin Wright Foreman. no need for doom and gloom
I did overestimate Hofstra. Bucknell played well and its nice to see it rain threes. Funk played well as did all the youngsters. It was nice to see a glimmer of Bucknell using the clock near the end. Toomer will probably come in for Robertson Saturday.
Edited by Paulie777 on 11-13-19 09:58 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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bison63
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11-13-19 09:57 PM - Post#290909
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Well Phillie had the point spread right!
Gotta say though, if we shot threes like we did on Sunday, it is a different story. Nice win though!
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11-13-19 10:12 PM - Post#290911
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What happened to Positive Paulie?
Paulie, now, you have to be negative before each game. 
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11-13-19 10:32 PM - Post#290915
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What happened to Positive Paulie?
Paulie, now, you have to be negative before each game.
Ha Ha I did feel negative before the game but Bucknell's young team and Hofstra's bad team proved me wrong. Rice, Spear, Ellis, Funk, the future looks bright!
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11-14-19 12:03 AM - Post#290923
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Good to see shots fall and other than turnovers in first half and giving up quite a bit of penetration, we played pretty well. If we have just an average shooting night it is a different game but overall it was a good win. I don’t think Hofstra is a bad team at all, they have some really good players. We just played pretty well and hit threes. Newman did a great job on the glass. I said before the season that Sotos was the Bison’s best pick to land on one of the All-PL teams and so far I’m feeling good about that pick.
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bison63
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11-14-19 12:38 AM - Post#290926
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Well Phillie had the point spread right!
Gotta say though, if we shot threes like we did on Sunday, it is a different story. Nice win though!
Meant "Paulie" got the point spread right. Apologies to both Paulie and Phillie.
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Paulie777
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11-14-19 02:43 AM - Post#290933
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Well Phillie had the point spread right!
Gotta say though, if we shot threes like we did on Sunday, it is a different story. Nice win though!
Meant "Paulie" got the point spread right. Apologies to both Paulie and Phillie.
Its ok, a slow message board game. Hofstra is in Long Island, no? A memory stirs of a time long ago when I spent some time in Long Island. A a young kid I was working on a horse trailer on the farm I worked on and next thing I know Its hitched up and four or five hours later the trailer stops, its the middle of the night and Im inside Belmont Park. After not much help getting back home from those Pinkerton guards I ended up with a gig walking hots inside the track, trying to raise a stake to get the heck out of there after I found out how to do exactly that. But most days I would end up walking up Hempstead Ave past the Home Depot, past the Library (after reading some Victor Hugo) past the junkyard with the barking dogs, all the way up to Franklin Square. Then I would frequent a bar where the Hofstra girls were. But the girls in the bar pretty as they were always seemed to be with an older lady who would buy all their drinks and pretty much ruled over them. Some mother hen type. Is there any Hofstra people on this board that can explain this? I was never to make any headway with the girls and the mother hen den mothers types I could never get on their good side. Then I would make the lonely trek back to the track and sleep on my makeshift bed of bags of grain and hay. I eventually got out, but was enriched by seeing a great snapshot of Long Island while I was there without being shot, killed, or arrested. But my point is that that area of Long Island seemed to be slightly closed in in my opinion. This is why I think I was negative coming into this game. I need to get back to those parts and maybe see the university or golf at the course and maybe my perspective will change.
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11-14-19 11:32 AM - Post#290962
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Rip Van Paulie!!! 
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11-14-19 11:40 AM - Post#290963
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BTW, I think that we heard last night that Spear has put on 27 lbs since last season. That has to factor into how well he is doing so far. My compliments to the trainers at Bucknell. Also, Spear should get lots of credit for working hard in the off-season.
On the other hand, if I added 27 lbs., Mrs. Bison89 would not be happy at all!
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11-14-19 06:51 PM - Post#291031
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Highlight reel:
https://youtu.be/cbcSuygwiS0
Press conference:
https://youtu.be/0hnpqUvg1s4
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11-14-19 07:07 PM - Post#291033
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BTW, I think that we heard last night that Spear has put on 27 lbs since last season. That has to factor into how well he is doing so far.
Kahliel was interviewed by Birdsong after the game. He said that, last season, knowing that he was undersized affected his confidence and shot-taking decisions. This year, he says, he plays with far higher self-confidence and confidence of his teammates, too.
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11-14-19 07:08 PM - Post#291034
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Any word on why Jordan Sechan hasn't been suiting up?
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Old Bison
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11-15-19 09:12 AM - Post#291073
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Game was very streaky. When you shoot 68.5% from 3 in the 2nd half you will beat a lot of teams. Makes it difficult to assess in normal parameters. Sotos kept us in it during the bad streaks. Also thought his decision making, patience and cadence was much better. Three things that popped in my mind:
- Sotos keeps euro-stepping himself into big messes and missed layups...back it out if you don’t have clear advantage
- the drop back to the trailing 4/5 from the one to start the offense continues to be a loser. Meeks walked just as bad as KS and to their credit they canned it
- never seen such problems inbounding the ball on our side of the court. Besides 1-2 turnovers, a number of near misses, 30 ft release passes to the backcourt and 4-5 VERY close 5 second non-calls it was a mess. Somebody has to cut hard to the ball...4 corner box in the lane going nowhere. Sotos hitting the guy in the back sure got them focused on “ball/you/manâ€
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11-15-19 09:46 AM - Post#291077
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Old Bison, I agree with your assessment, but keep in mind that it was a win. I'll take that any day!
Good shooting solves all problems.
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11-15-19 11:21 AM - Post#291086
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Game was very streaky. When you shoot 68.5% from 3 in the 2nd half you will beat a lot of teams. Makes it difficult to assess in normal parameters. Sotos kept us in it during the bad streaks. Also thought his decision making, patience and cadence was much better. Three things that popped in my mind:
- Sotos keeps euro-stepping himself into big messes and missed layups...back it out if you don’t have clear advantage
- the drop back to the trailing 4/5 from the one to start the offense continues to be a loser. Meeks walked just as bad as KS and to their credit they canned it
- never seen such problems inbounding the ball on our side of the court. Besides 1-2 turnovers, a number of near misses, 30 ft release passes to the backcourt and 4-5 VERY close 5 second non-calls it was a mess. Somebody has to cut hard to the ball...4 corner box in the lane going nowhere. Sotos hitting the guy in the back sure got them focused on “ball/you/manâ€
Generally agree with all of the above. The Bison hit 15 of 24 3 point shots. A normal number to make would be nine. All else being equal, they might’ve ended up with 18 less points in a game they won by 15 points. Some of the good shooting might be attributed to good ball movement against the zone, but surely a lot of it is just randomness.
I noticed the same thing with the Sotos euro step. Either he is tipping the move, or else Hofstra had a very good scouting report on him becuse the two times he tried it and got stuffed, the defender actually moved to defend the move even before Sotos made it. He used the move a number of times successfully last year, so maybe he just needs to sell the first step stronger with his right foot before he makes the cut back to the left.
As for the problems with inbound passes, the worst problems came with Xander Rice st PG. I don’t think he is seeing all of the available options correctly yet. At least he showed improvement in the second half, as he threw the long bailout passes a lot further in the back court where they couldn’t be stolen. Hopefully he will continue to learn.
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11-15-19 12:28 PM - Post#291092
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As for the problems with inbound passes, the worst problems came with Xander Rice st PG. I don’t think he is seeing all of the available options correctly yet. At least he showed improvement in the second half, as he threw the long bailout passes a lot further in the back court where they couldn’t be stolen. Hopefully he will continue to learn.
I am glad that you mentioned Rice. IMO, he did not seem to be prepared for the pace of the competition. I imagine that he is going through a bit of an adjustment period. Hopefully, he will improve as the season goes on.
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11-15-19 06:04 PM - Post#291153
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137 - no argument. This has happened before and Grif and I used to “discuss†(I.e., argue) about MY lack of understanding of the unbelievable number of “options†that are
designed into our underneath OOB’s sets. I’m all ears and willing to listen but if we are dangerously close to 5 second calls 30-40% of the inbounds plays and we’re forced to pressure relief to the backcourt another 25-30% of the time than the options aren’t that prolific...I could be wrong as I don’t have the time to rerun tape and chart what actually manifested Itself on every inbounds play during the game (as opposed to my potentially faulty assessment) but my takeaway from one visual impression is we had difficulty inbounding. My other impression was they were either MTMing or matching up on each play. Maybe just a byproduct of Sotos schooling them early in the game off the big guy who was not impressive
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11-15-19 09:11 PM - Post#291166
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Yes, we commented during the game about the continued difficulties inbounding the ball. As for shooting, yes, way above the norm shooting will win you some games, but to expect that is just not sound. Expect average shooting and clean up the other areas of your game. As 137 said, an average night of shooting and this easily could’ve been a loss. As we saw with Vermont, a terrible night of shooting was a loss. So to have that wide of a swing in shooting % (from 3, which seems to be the Bison offensive game plan) from one game to the next tells me it is far more prudent to be better in other areas.
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Bison137
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11-15-19 10:05 PM - Post#291170
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Hofstra, btw, tonight took on a fearsome NYIT squad , a D2 that went 3-24 last year. Hofstra ended up with a 111-69 win. Game had 84 possessions, which is a ridiculously fast pace.
One amazing fact: the officiating crew for this game had the #20, #23, and #74 refs in the country - based on Pomeroy's rankings from last year. His rankings look at number of assignments for a ref and especially the quality of the games they are assigned to. I assume this crew is in NYC for some big game tomorrow or else was catching a late flight out of LGA/JFK. In any event, it was a higher-ranked crew than any that has ever been assigned to a PL game.
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11-15-19 11:26 PM - Post#291173
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For real???
The T on coach Davis seemed like rec league
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Bison137
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11-16-19 12:37 AM - Post#291175
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For real???
The T on coach Davis seemed like rec league
The T on ND was worse than rec league. He didn't do or say anything that was even close to deserving a T.
I think you may have misread my post. The super ref crew was the one doing Hofstra vs NYIT. The Hofstra game vs the Bison in contrast had one decent ref, one mediocre one, and one total incompetent. The total incompetent has been getting about six D1 assignments a year. Six more than he deserves.
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