Streamers
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11-14-19 07:58 PM - Post#291041
In response to palestra38
IT'S NOT JENSEN--it's Angry Al, a poster and notorious loudmouth caller to WIP
Sorry. I read it too quickly.
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dperry
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Lasalle 11-15-19 12:30 AM - Post#291062
In response to Quakers03
It's so nice to see AJ with touch at the free throw line. When in the world would he have had a front rim free throw fall in softly in the past? It is a noticeable improvement.
No question that his form was better, and he maintained it through both shots in each trip. Last year, he would make the first shot, then lose his concentration for the second.
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UPIA1968
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Lasalle 11-15-19 12:41 AM - Post#291064
In response to Streamers
After three games we can clearly see the dynamic of this season. Penn has three splendid seniors who will keep them competitive in most games and will beat flawed teams like LaSalle. Five years ago we would be moaning about an 0-3 start. Not this year.
Expectations now revolve about the play of the supporting cast. In Dingle it looks like a big upside. In Wang and perhaps Jonah Charles it looks like a health issue. In Bryce, Eddie, and Simmons it looks like a matter of development, although with Simmons we have yet to see any hints of real capability. Finally in Lucas M, Max M, and Max LL, it looks like a test of their athletic potential on the bigger college stage.
It is fully reasonable to expect that enough of our hope for the supporting cast will come through to make Penn a contender, perhaps even good enough to challenge Harvard, as we saw in Tuscaloosa when Jordon went off.
I am as much interested to see how many of the supporting cast show stardom potential, because we will need that after this wonderful trio of seniors graduates.
This situation reminds me of several of the Allen years when it appeared that there was a deep collection of sufficient talent. In that case, however, the talent never emerged. Have we over estimated the roster again? I suggest that the record of the three seniors is sufficient to indicate that the talent is better and much more able to develop. I will be watching Dingle closely over the next month as he seems to have the ability to contribute as a freshman rapidly as AJ and Betley did. The others will take time.
All in all a good start!
P.S. The most dramatic story of the early season is on the women's side. The rookie, Kayla Padilla is averaging 24.5 per game including .500+ from three and has 6 assists to one turnover.
Edited by UPIA1968 on 11-15-19 12:46 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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AsiaSunset
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Re: Lasalle 11-15-19 10:15 AM - Post#291084
In response to UPIA1968
I agree with you about the importance of developing that supporting cast. I watched the Harvard game last night. They played without 3 big names (Towns, Aiken and Kirkwood). While Towns contribution this year is uncertain, Aiken and Kirkwood are likely to be key players. While Harvard did not play a fantastic game, they beat a decent Siena team with limited contributions from their experienced seniors, Juzang and Lewis. Instead - their freshmen looked very good as did the others coming off the bench. They are scary deep.
I'm not sure how our 3 seniors can do it without major contributions from bench players as we move into the meat of our schedule. Supposedly we are deeper than in past years, but that has yet to be proven.
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Silver Maple
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11-15-19 12:54 PM - Post#291097
In response to AsiaSunset
Depth will be key to success this season (as it usually is). That being the case, I'm glad to see so many players, particularly the newbies, getting a lot of minutes early on. Donahue is clearly working to be able to go at least 4-5 players into his bench.
One of the things that always frustrated me about Dunphy was his steadfast refusal to try to develop a bench beyond 1-2 players. It didn't hurt the team in conference play, but I'm positive it's one of the reasons his teams had so little success out of conference and in the postseason.
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10Q
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11-15-19 01:19 PM - Post#291104
In response to Silver Maple
We have no apparent depth in the Bigs Dept. One or two guys are going to have to step up and take on major minutes without a major dropoff.
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palestra38
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11-15-19 01:19 PM - Post#291105
In response to 10Q
We have a freshman big man---it's just going to take time. Wang would help, if he will ever be healthy
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10Q
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11-15-19 01:28 PM - Post#291107
In response to palestra38
Like I said, no apparent depth. Just potential. Hoping one or both can help AJ.
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Condor
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Re: Lasalle 11-16-19 10:42 AM - Post#291185
In response to UPIA1968
Looking at the players based on the stats to date only (obviously a very small sample size), here would be my notes:
Brodeur: Cut down on TO’s
Betley: Basically keep doing what you are doing while improving overall game
Goodman: Work on 3 pt shot
Dingle: Work on 3 pt shot and FT’s. His numbers are not horrible, but hopefully will be better
Scott: Basically keep doing what you are doing while improving overall game
Washington: Work on 3 pt shot, reduce TO’s & PF’s. I think he is just getting accustom to new role.
Monroe: Work on 3 pt shot and FT’s.
Simmons: Cut down on TO’s & PF’s while trying to get more rebounds. Obviously, this is not necessarily an easy fix. I am ok with his offense.
The other guys are TBD.
I haven't seen all the games to decide if the stats match the eyes.
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SomeGuy
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Re: Lasalle 11-16-19 12:09 PM - Post#291192
In response to Condor
On the Bryce point about learning a new position/role, what was Charles’ role when he was lighting up practices? Is he a combo who can slot in behind Dingle and Goodman? If so, he may solve the problem that we seem to struggle unless we have both guards on the floor.
Bryce certainly had the bench fired up with his play early against Lasalle. He hit a 3 and made a couple of hustle plays that got the bench on their feet yelling. Seemed to get out of his comfort zone after that, though. The effort seems to be there, so I think he’ll figure it out.
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weinhauers_ghost
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Re: Lasalle 11-16-19 08:36 PM - Post#291233
In response to SomeGuy
On the Bryce point about learning a new position/role, what was Charles’ role when he was lighting up practices? Is he a combo who can slot in behind Dingle and Goodman? If so, he may solve the problem that we seem to struggle unless we have both guards on the floor.
Bryce certainly had the bench fired up with his play early against Lasalle. He hit a 3 and made a couple of hustle plays that got the bench on their feet yelling. Seemed to get out of his comfort zone after that, though. The effort seems to be there, so I think he’ll figure it out.
I seem to recall having read something about Washington having been more of a slasher in high school, and having to make the transition to being a spot-up shooter last year. Could be he's still trying to figure out how to balance those aspects of his game with his role this year.
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Condor
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Re: Lasalle 11-19-19 10:06 AM - Post#291437
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Last year Washington played in 30 games with OR% of 107.1 (DR% 99.6) that included a .411 FG%, a .398 3FG%, and a .829 FT% while logging 626 minutes (well past the Gensler magic number of 400) that included 30 GP and 22 GS. Based on the numbers, he was the best 3pt & FT shooter on the team. Also, next to Scott, he was our best rebounding guard with Reb% of 9.1. He didn’t play much at the end of last season, but before that he was very effective. It is early in the season, so we’ll just have to see how Washington and the rest of the players figure things out.
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OldBig5
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11-27-19 04:15 PM - Post#292542
In response to Condor
Lasalle has beaten Murray State and Wright State in their tourney. So maybe they are not awful this year.
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palestra38
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11-27-19 05:58 PM - Post#292556
In response to OldBig5
They are very young and a work in progress. Playing them early at the Palestra was a good thing for Penn.
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OldBig5
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11-28-19 08:55 PM - Post#292618
In response to palestra38
They are very young and a work in progress. Playing them early at the Palestra was a good thing for Penn.
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Won their tourney.
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