pennhoops
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11-21-19 12:57 PM - Post#291904
off to myrtle beach
https://twitter.com/MyrtleInvite/status/1 197556842...
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 01:01 PM - Post#291905
In response to pennhoops
Nice--my sister in law lives there. Give me an excuse to take my wife to see her sister
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rbg
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2020 sched
11-21-19 01:35 PM - Post#291908
In response to palestra38
https://pennathletics.com/news/2019/11/21/mens- bas...
- The field has been announced for the 2020 Myrtle Beach Invitational, and the University of Pennsylvania men's basketball team will join seven other teams and play three games in an event that will take place November 19, 20 and 22 at the HTC Center on the campus of Coastal Carolina University in Conway, S.C.
Penn will be joined in the event by Charlotte (Conference USA), Dayton (Atlantic 10), Loyola (Missouri Valley), Missouri (SEC), Nebraska (Big Ten), Pitt (ACC), and Utah State (Mountain West). -
- As is the case with Penn's participation in the Wooden Legacy next week, this will not count as an NCAA-exempt event on the Quakers' 2020-21 schedule as Ivy League rules allow Ivy programs just two such events over a four-year period. Instead, the Invitational will fit in as part of the Red and Blue's allowable 27-game schedule. Penn played in exempt events the previous two years—the Gulf Coast Showcase 2017-18 and the Paradise Jam last year—which allowed the Quakers to play 30 regular-season games.
Next year's Myrtle Beach Invitational will be the third such event. The Wooden Legacy is one of six early-season college basketball tournaments owned and operated by ESPN Events, a division of ESPN. -
For those interested in going, the HTC Center seats just over 3,600.
https://goccusports.com/sports/2018/5/24/faci litie...
Maybe the league should consider it as a neutral site for future Ivy Tournaments.
Edited by rbg on 11-21-19 01:37 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Quakers03
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2020 sched
11-21-19 02:22 PM - Post#291912
In response to rbg
So, does that mean we're looking at ANOTHER 11-game home schedule...at the same price of course?
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SteveChop
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 03:02 PM - Post#291919
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That's my question. You may recall that when I asked that question of the ticket office, they assured me that (1) there would be NO price increase for 2020-2021 season AND (2) Penn would return to a more typical 13 or 14 game home schedule.
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 03:03 PM - Post#291920
In response to SteveChop
They just take us for granted as season ticket holders. It's just what it is.
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mrjames
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 03:57 PM - Post#291923
In response to palestra38
You may very well lose even more games. This isn't exactly kosher with the league office.
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 04:01 PM - Post#291924
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Maybe they're pushing to amend the Ivy rule limiting teams to 2 in 4 years. It is kind of subjective
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T.P.F.K.A.D.W.
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 04:02 PM - Post#291925
In response to mrjames
You may very well lose even more games. This isn't exactly kosher with the league office.
Yeah, but is it worse than selling naming rights to our law school?
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mrjames
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 04:04 PM - Post#291926
In response to palestra38
They certainly are and good on them. I'm just saying that, as of now, it's not certain that all you have to do is count the games and everything is fine and dandy. Might be other penalties here.
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 04:06 PM - Post#291927
In response to mrjames
Are you saying there are rules for the non-conference schedule?
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mrjames
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 04:13 PM - Post#291928
In response to palestra38
I am saying that the rule against MTEs is not 2-in-4 *exemptions,* it is *playing* in 2-in-4. Penn may very well survive without penalty by counting each game, but this is against the rules and may be met with a penalty.
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SteveChop
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11-21-19 04:18 PM - Post#291929
In response to mrjames
Not to question your conclusion or analysis, Mike, but that is the typical ostrichian attitude of the Ivy League who allegedly is trying to raise the profile of the league.
In other words, if you play in an MTE, which gets the Ivy team more exposure and games against better middle major (or better) competition, you should instead schedule weak teams at home (because those mid-majors are NOT going to play an Ivy school at home because they have little to gain and much to lose by scheduling such a game) because they will be happy to do so.
Just another reason why I am so frustrated with the IL! Along with not permitting football teams to play in post-season tournaments, the ONLY sport in which they do this.
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palestra38
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 04:26 PM - Post#291930
In response to mrjames
Can you cite me to the actual rule. I would like to read the actual language. thanks.
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rbg
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11-21-19 05:01 PM - Post#291932
In response to palestra38
I don't know if this is helpful. It comes from the 2011-2012 Ivy League manual.
B. Basketball
7. Participation in qualifying regular season multi-team event counts as one contest against the Ivy contest limit. Teams may participate in two NCAA qualifying regular season multi-team events and one foreign tour within any four year period. Additional NCAA counting exemption provisions at B.17.3.5.3 do not apply to Ivy counting except as indicated at VI-H-2-d.
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palestra38
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11-21-19 05:29 PM - Post#291935
In response to rbg
Thanks. I don't read that as a prohibition, but as a limitation on the number of times you can count a tournament as 1 game.
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SteveChop
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11-21-19 06:00 PM - Post#291948
In response to palestra38
Of course, you reach that conclusion by reading the language. Who knows what the geniuses in the IL office could do to interpret it?
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mrjames
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11-21-19 06:04 PM - Post#291949
In response to palestra38
Let's zoom in *really* close:
"Teams may participate in two NCAA qualifying regular season multi-team events and one foreign tour within any four year period."
Oh, and by the way, there have been some battles about the latter one ("foreign tour") too.
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palestra38
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2020 sched
11-21-19 06:18 PM - Post#291951
In response to mrjames
You have to read the entire language--the next sentence says:
Additional NCAA counting exemption provisions at B.17.3.5.3 do not apply to Ivy counting except as indicated at VI-H-2-d.
While I do not know what this additional exemption is, I assume that if there were a prohibition against participating in additional exempt tournaments as opposed to it counting as 3-4 games, not 1, this language would be superfluous. You never read language in a contract or statue as if it has no meaning.
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mrjames
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Re: 2020 sched
11-21-19 06:33 PM - Post#291952
In response to palestra38
Those provisions are exemptions for:
- conference tourneys
- postseason tourneys
- conference playoffs
- 1 game against Alaska/Hawaii team
- exhibition against a non-D1
- secret scrimmages
The thing is that a lot of those counting exemption provisions do also apply to the Ivy without being expressly allowed at VI-H-2-d. So, it doesn't actually have a lot of meaning.
I'm not really guessing here, folks. The question isn't whether this breaks a rule. The question is what the league office will do (penalize a game, for instance) or won't do.
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