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Bison137 
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01-08-20 12:36 AM - Post#296227    

Bison Article:

https://bucknellbison.com/news/2020/1/7/mens-ba ske...

The Mids thus far have a home win over Lehigh and a close loss at Holy Cross. They are one of the better rebounding teams in the country, getting a high rebound rate from two 6-3 players. They have yet to have a key player miss a game, which has helped them achieve a 7-6 record thus far.





 
Old Bison 
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01-08-20 09:38 AM - Post#296232    
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Made UVA (who lose to BC last night) look sick for 30 minutes

 
res 
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01-08-20 10:41 AM - Post#296235    
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That's OK. We've looked sick for 30 minutes and still won games.


 
Bison89 
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Re: Navy Game
01-08-20 10:41 AM - Post#296236    
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  • Bison137 Said:
Bison Article:

https://bucknellbison.com/news/2020/1/7/mens-ba ske...

The Mids thus far have a home win over Lehigh and a close loss at Holy Cross. They are one of the better rebounding teams in the country, getting a high rebound rate from two 6-3 players. They have yet to have a key player miss a game, which has helped them achieve a 7-6 record thus far.



For some reason, the link is not working. This one should be good:
https://bucknellbison.com/news/2020/1/7/mens-ba ske...
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
Bison89 
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01-08-20 11:30 AM - Post#296238    
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Also, look at what the Bison have done in the last decade:
--215-116 (.650) overall record
--128-36 (.780) Patriot League record
--8 PL regular-season titles
--4 PL tournament titles
--4 NCAA bids
--3 NIT bids

Will the Bison ever have a run like this again?
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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01-08-20 04:18 PM - Post#296257    
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This was an interesting item in the Bucknell story:

Bucknell and Navy first met nearly 100 years ago on Jan. 31, 1920 in Annapolis. Navy won that inaugural meeting 15-13. Here is the account of that game from the New York Times a century ago:

"The Naval Academy barely nosed out Bucknell at basket ball this afternoon, the score being 15 to 13. The game was one of the best contested and most expertly played staged here for years. Both teams had a splendid system of defense and the individual playing was of a high standard. The Navy had the edge in working close for shots, but Waddell showed the best individual work on the floor and netted the ball on several long shots. He threw safely four times and was the only player on either team to score more than one field goal."


 
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01-08-20 04:19 PM - Post#296258    
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"He threw safely four times." Do you think that refers to free throws?

 
Bison89 
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01-08-20 04:48 PM - Post#296259    
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  • BisonRoadWarrior Said:
"He threw safely four times." Do you think that refers to free throws?



My guess was that he made 4 shots, but you might be right.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
DoCtoR62 
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01-08-20 05:09 PM - Post#296260    
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The Baltimore Sun's article on the game provides more detail. I don't understand why Bowser didn't start in place of Townsend to begin with. :-)


https://img.newspapers.com/img/img?id=372776545& am...

 
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01-08-20 06:03 PM - Post#296261    
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  • DoCtoR62 Said:
The Baltimore Sun's article on the game provides more detail. I don't understand why Bowser didn't start in place of Townsend to begin with. :-)


https://img.newspapers.com/img/img?id=372776545& am...



DoCtoR62, thanks for sharing the article. It was almost like reading Shakspearean English at times, but I really enjoyed it.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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01-08-20 07:06 PM - Post#296262    
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  • DoCtoR62 Said:
The Baltimore Sun's article on the game provides more detail. I don't understand why Bowser didn't start in place of Townsend to begin with. :-)


https://img.newspapers.com/img/img?id=372776545& am...


It also appears the Bison were prone to slow starts even 100 years ago.

 
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01-08-20 09:03 PM - Post#296274    
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Yeah a rough start but the Bison have turned it around. Love seeing Rice more aggressive driving the ball and then hitting a little pull-up. Looked good. I would’ve had Malachi in as the first big.

 
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01-08-20 09:27 PM - Post#296278    
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Wow. 4-23 from three with 8:00 to go. That is some bad shooting.

 
bison63 
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01-08-20 09:31 PM - Post#296279    
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We would be winning by 20 if we hit a few 3s

 
bison63 
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01-08-20 09:56 PM - Post#296282    
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Ridiculous shot by Toomer. Terrible performance by the Bison

 
Old Bison 
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01-08-20 10:11 PM - Post#296284    
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U can’t coach 34,17 and 65 %

 
HuskyColonial 
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01-08-20 10:27 PM - Post#296288    
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This is not a good team. It’s not a bad team. It’s a middle of the road Patriot League team which is something we haven’t seen for a decade.



 
MrPhillie 
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01-08-20 11:19 PM - Post#296290    
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This team has to do more than just shoot threes on offense. We’re not great shooters...have some okay shooters and some below-average.

 
NavyVoice 
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Navy Game
01-09-20 06:35 AM - Post#296299    
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Navy's first win in Lewisburg since 2010.. and only 6th overall in 35 chances

Edited by NavyVoice on 01-09-20 06:35 AM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
Bison54 
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01-09-20 09:29 AM - Post#296300    
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I don't understand why Meeks isn't used more in the paint. He's got a good chance of scoring, good moves underneath, and I like the way he can shot falling away at 8 feet. He will draw fouls and can make free throws. He should be an early option, especially against smaller PL centers.

This was a game of what ifs. Bad shooting happens, but more variety in approach might have helped. Reminds me of the famous "motion" offense in the pre-Muscala Paulsen year(s)


 
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01-09-20 02:54 PM - Post#296303    
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  • HuskyColonial Said:
This is not a good team. It’s not a bad team. It’s a middle of the road Patriot League team which is something we haven’t seen for a decade.





I agree. We have been spoiled by having a successful, talented team every year. This is going to be an up-and-down season. If the 3's are falling, we have a good shot at winning. If the 3's are not falling, it will be difficult to win.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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01-09-20 03:01 PM - Post#296304    
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  • Bison89 Said:
  • HuskyColonial Said:
This is not a good team. It’s not a bad team. It’s a middle of the road Patriot League team which is something we haven’t seen for a decade.





I agree. We have been spoiled by having a successful, talented team every year. This is going to be an up-and-down season. If the 3's are falling, we have a good shot at winning. If the 3's are not falling, it will be difficult to win.



So, is there anything the staff can do to create more consistent play, particularly on offense? It seems there should be more that can be done other than throw your hands up and say “the threes just aren’t falling tonight.” When you’re shooting over 50% from two and 17% from three, seems to me it makes sense to make adjustments and take fewer threes.


 
bison63 
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01-09-20 03:17 PM - Post#296305    
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  • HuskyColonial Said:
This is not a good team. It’s not a bad team. It’s a middle of the road Patriot League team which is something we haven’t seen for a decade.




And this team is probably not going to finish above .500 for the year (overall) unless something changes.

 
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01-09-20 05:01 PM - Post#296308    
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Totally agree with Bison54's point here about Meeks. He has established himself as our most consistent and probably best player. Put him in the high post or low post and let him go to work! If fouled, he is a good foul shooter, unlike some of our other guys. Get him the ball in the middle!

Two years ago, the Bison staff shifted Zach Thomas on some sets from the wing to the high post and let him work his magic. He nearly led the country in FT's attempted and made, as I recall. Why not Meeks in the same set??

This "circle" of guys on the 3 point line and taking turns attempting 3's will not work most nights! Need to have some cuts and X motion and some post play.

And please, Paul, work on a second or third move in the post.


 
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01-09-20 05:10 PM - Post#296309    
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  • Doktore K Said:
And please, Paul, work on a second or third move in the post.



I was thinking the same thing during last night's game!
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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01-09-20 05:18 PM - Post#296311    
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Can’t use 10 guys would be a start. That’s 11 with Bruce back. It’s just repetitive at this stage to elucidate yet again. The shot off the 1st half inbounds with 9 seconds after being gifted back the ball was as bad, if not worse (except for the game clock), than Avi’s last gasp attempt.

Does anyone know what was left on the shot clock and whether we had a TO available?

Nothing you can do now but buckle down and work through it. They should be 3-0.

Kudos to Meeks for his 3-3 FT’s to tie it and to him and Jake being the only two to take charges in the last two games.

Playing time is up for grabs for those that want to get in and mud wrestle it out.

 
bisonmania 
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01-09-20 06:07 PM - Post#296315    
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I agree about Meeks. My concern continues to be with the coaching. We are watching a true definition of the word insanity. I do not see this changing anytime soon!

 
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01-09-20 10:43 PM - Post#296324    
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Bmania...gotta fight through it. New start Sat.

 
Bison137 
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01-09-20 11:46 PM - Post#296325    
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  • bisonmania Said:
I agree about Meeks. My concern continues to be with the coaching. We are watching a true definition of the word insanity. I do not see this changing anytime soon!




Will only change when the coach changes. Coaching in the final minute was beyond inept.




 
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01-10-20 08:48 AM - Post#296327    
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We lost the game in the period when it was 39-39 and we went up 2 to 41-39. Just bad basketball over the next 7-8 minutes of game play. Can’t keep expecting our 5’’s to cover opposing 1’s. That said, your not beating anybody shooting 4-26 from 3. Virtually nothing good happens when we go into the box. Tough way to play

Kids should have never lost that game

 
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01-10-20 08:50 AM - Post#296328    
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This is the PL, Kids have to work harder and play harder

 
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01-10-20 10:55 AM - Post#296332    
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I think the big change with this club is we have no ability to score on the inside. Period. First year in 8 without Moose, Nana, or Nate. Our bigs can’t score. Period.

 
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01-10-20 12:00 PM - Post#296333    
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That's my disappointment with Newman. Not sure I've ever seen someone with that post size put up so many shots leaning away from the basket where he essentially ends up shooting from his hip. I have to imagine the coaches are working on trying to get him to take it up strong and at least get fouled, but not seeing a lot of progress.

 
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01-10-20 12:43 PM - Post#296336    
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  • nh2032 Said:
That's my disappointment with Newman. Not sure I've ever seen someone with that post size put up so many shots leaning away from the basket where he essentially ends up shooting from his hip. I have to imagine the coaches are working on trying to get him to take it up strong and at least get fouled, but not seeing a lot of progress.



He appears to be a below-the-rim player who needs space to get off his shot. Unfortunately, he does not have any kind of J that he has shown in a game. If he had one, he might find it easier to get off a shot.
New season, new team, new dream . . .


 
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01-10-20 04:43 PM - Post#296348    
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It’s the 17th game. That issue with all due respect was evident in the first 10:00 minutes of the Fairfield game. Time to move on. If you don’t like that your option is Timmerman. Can’t go to him in crunch time (other than to go back outside or swing the ball)...that needs to be a coaching directive. Spear shouldn’t be able to take 3’s with the game tied at the 2:00 mark. What’s the sense of writing about player weakness at this juncture of the year - that’s ok in OOC because your trying to evaluate the best 8-9 man rotation, if not 7-8. Paul was the only option at center from day 1. Playing Meeks there against an opposing 5 is not going to work. That puts John inside and Bruce outside. We are who we are. Task now is to win and we need to keep the rotation tight and compete. Different personnel then prior years. We were just fine last game other than the fact that we really shot 12% from 3 discounting Sotos buzzer beater.

 
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01-10-20 04:49 PM - Post#296349    
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As far as playing 10 or 11 guys, here are my thoughts:

1) AT is not ready to contribute. I'll leave it there. Not sure about Rhodes. Did not see much of him in the game to tell.

2) A positive from my 300 mile round trip to watch the loss to Navy was the play of Rice and VDH. Play them even more, especially VDH! He has a nice looking shot and can also drive. Play him.

3) Maybe play Rice on a unit with Sotos and let Jimmy be the 2 guard. Funk can play as a 3 against most PL teams.

4) Play Spear more. He can be a back-up center vs. most of the PL. Ask him to hit the boards more, especially on the offensive end. He has the ability to be an above the rim guy for us.

5) Overall, not sure whom I would drop from the first half rotation other than AT and maybe MR. And when is Ben R. coming back? We could use some of his slashing ability from the wing.


 
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