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Username Post: Women -- IL Play        (Topic#23809)
bradley 
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02-21-20 10:10 AM - Post#300912    
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I always enjoy reading the discussions regarding POY and ROY on other boards. On the women's side, many different women have POW and ROW during the season. The Tigers had Carlie win POW twice during non-conference play with Bella winning the award only once this year after the first Penn game. I believe that Ellie Mitchell won ROW one time as well.

I guess that my point is that these awards are nice and all that stuff but team performance not individual performance is obviously most important. If you share the ball and do not care as to who scores, it is great for winning but not individual awards. This team may go down as one of the best if not the best in women's IL history and there is a reason for it.

There is very good young talent coming into the IL women's programs and it is set up for a really high level of competition over the next several years even with the departure of Bella and other seniors.

 
JadwinGeorge 
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02-21-20 10:24 AM - Post#300919    
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Tiger women in Top 25 in NINE categories among D1 teams:
scoring defense
winning%
fewest TO's
scoring margin
blocked shots (Bella sets new Tiger record with each one and has for a while)
TO margin
3 point % defense
fewest TO's per game
That
That's quite a resume. Bella should be unanimous POY and Berube deserves COY. Carlie unanimous first teamer IMO

 
bradley 
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02-21-20 12:20 PM - Post#300941    
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I agree but defense is not always high up in the fan discussion regarding awards but if you asked the 8 IL coaches, one might get a different response regarding the importance of defense. I am pretty sure that Bella, perhaps followed by Carlie would be 1 then 2 in the voting for POY as Carlie's defensive stats are very impressive plus on this team, she simply does not need to score a lot of points. The Tigers are blessed to have a C and PG, two critical positions. There is a reason why the Tigers have a 16 rpi in Division 1.

If Bella wins, she will be a 3 time POY in addition to being ROY. The irony is that she will play a very different position in the pros - probably a 3 position with some time at the 2 position. She is not a natural post up center but out of necessity based on her size, she plays the position. She is fine as an interior defender playing against bigs. Her biggest challenge in the pros will be toughness as she plays like an IL player not a Power 5 player.

On the men's side, Mike Smith is an incredible offensive player but the question is who will be POY and there is no slam dunk. At the end of the day, individual awards are nice but team championships are a lot nicer.

 
bradley 
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02-21-20 07:52 PM - Post#301024    
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Harvard is impressive in the prior game and the 1st half. They could have been blown out after a slow start but they played well in the 2nd qtr. Princeton is up by 12 33-21 after being up by 12, 19-7, after 1st qtr. Other players, i.e., Bauer are stepping up tonight so far.

Harvard shooting 31% and 23% on 3s'.

Good test!

 
bradley 
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02-21-20 10:54 PM - Post#301175    
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Bella and Bauer both had the stomach flu and only played 22 and 20 minutes but Bella had 18 pts with 6 rebounds and Bauer 11/7 -- seniors. For season, the two bigs shoot FTs at 83% and 79%. Littlefield had a very tough offensive game on 1 of 10 shooting.

Once again, Tigers hold other team to 27% FG and 18% 3 point shots. Harvard is a good team yet the Tiger subs played competitively with Harvard starters and the Tigers win another 20+ game.

Yale. Penn and Columbia won which helps Princeton's rpi. Nolan has Tigers as #14 now with a season ending projection of #9 for an IL team.

The reality is that AP is just looking for the Tigers and mid-major teams to lose. Hopefully, the Tournament committee is somewhat reasonable but that may be an unrealistic hope.

Dartmouth tomorrow night and they need a healthy Bella and Taylor for Penn on Tuesday night.



 
welcometothejungle 
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Women -- IL Play
02-21-20 11:06 PM - Post#301176    
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Virus is going around campus right now, Schwieger missed the men's game with the same illness. Men's and women's basketball teams are both in the same eating club

 
bradley 
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02-22-20 12:16 PM - Post#301205    
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38 1/2 pt favorites tonight -- not sure that I havwe seen that big of a line in the IL. If Bella and Bauer are still under the weather and win Penn coming up Tuesday -- passing on this one.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 02:54 PM - Post#301236    
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https://www.masseyratings.com/cbw/ncaa-d1/ratings
https://herhoopstats.com/stats/leaderboard/

The Massey computer rankings now have the Tigers at #10 in the country, while by Her Hoop Stats ratings the Tigers are at #7. Massey's score projections don't project a margin of victory under 20 for the rest of the season, which is absurd but certainly possible the way they've been playing.

Wouldn't be surprised if Alarie and/or Baur sit out or play sparingly with the toughest game left on the schedule coming up in just 3 days.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 07:09 PM - Post#301252    
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Bella goes down on the 2nd possession of the game grabbing her knee and needed assistance to walk off. Hopefully not serious but knee injuries are scary. Cameras caught her saying something to the trainer but I'm not a good lip reader. Jadwin was silent while she was down

Dartmouth raining 3s early and lead 11-4, Alarie has not returned to the bench yet

 
bradley 
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02-22-20 07:11 PM - Post#301253    
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Brutal start including Bella injuring knee and she is on the bench. Looked really bad but she was able to put weight on both feet but she may be out for the night -- could be serious. Dartmouth up 11-7.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 07:16 PM - Post#301255    
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Bella's back on the bench now and heading to the scorer's table now

 
bradley 
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02-22-20 07:25 PM - Post#301257    
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Thank goodness Bella is back. Bad 1st qtr 16-16.

 
bradley 
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02-22-20 07:47 PM - Post#301262    
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34-32 at halftime. They have taken the night off on defense so far. Berube will probably be having a heart to heart talk with them.



 
bradley 
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02-22-20 08:19 PM - Post#301279    
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Must have been quite a halftime chat by Carla.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 08:25 PM - Post#301288    
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Haha, switched over for the start of the men's game, was planning to watch the 4th quarter of the women's game on my laptop if it was close but looks like the Tigers have this one. Alarie with 24/10/2 with 2 steals. So good

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 08:46 PM - Post#301332    
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Tigers win the second half by 30 and finish with an 87-55 win. Starters all play less than 30 minutes, and Alarie puts up 28 and 12 in 26 minutes of play. Tough stretch coming up here with Penn on Tuesday and then the back to back weekend right after

 
bradley 
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02-22-20 08:50 PM - Post#301336    
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53 points in the 2nd half vs. giving up 23 pts, 87-55 final. Bella had 28/12 and Grace Stone stepped up with 16 pts.

1st half was a good wake up call before playing Penn on Tuesday.

Not sure if it was random shooting by Dartmouth in 1st half or poor defense but you know Carla's answer on this week's podcast.

Gave up 100 points on defense over weekend -- highest total of the year I believe in IL play.

 
bradley 
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02-23-20 11:24 PM - Post#301601    
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After two weeks of few upsets in the women's Top 25, there were 7 upsets today which should help the Tigers move up perhaps 2 or 3 spots from #25 (AP) and #23 (Coaches Poll) tomorrow and Tuesday. In most rankings, their current AP is 14-16 with a projected 9-10 if they win all remaining games. I believe that the rankings do not consider the outcome of IvyMadness.

As you mentioned on Tuesday, they play Penn, currently #54 with a projected number #42 assuming that they lose to Princeton on Tuesday. If they win on Tuesday and get to the finals of IvyMadness, they may get a bid on their own without winning IvyMadness although they probably need to win out to guarantee a spot or simply win IvyMadness.

Penn is playing much better as reflected on what they accomplished this past weekend. Nolan has it as a 11 or 12 point win for the Tigers at home. Their big is playing much better and Padilla is a 3 pt threat -- Tigers will need to smother her. It is a rivalry game so anything can happen.

If Tigers lose, it would not be a disaster as it would be a quad 1 game but obviously a win helps their NCAA seed. It is great that two top 50 teams will be representing the IL Tuesday night with one of them having a #14 rpi.

Bella mentioned at the end of Saturday night that she and her teammates are excited about the prospects of playing their rival on Tuesday night == big smile on her face. Hopefully, a big crowd will be there.

 
bradley 
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02-25-20 08:01 PM - Post#301739    
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Mitch was here pre-game. Bella’s dad is here as usual. Carla is taller than Penn’s coach even in heels.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-25-20 08:11 PM - Post#301741    
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Saw Will Gladson from the men's team walking around on the TV broadcast as well. Penn's zone giving the Tigers a little bit of trouble early, causing some lengthy possessions and tough shots

 
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