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Username Post: Women -- IL Play        (Topic#23809)
welcometothejungle 
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Women -- IL Play
02-29-20 07:44 PM - Post#302407    
    In response to bradley

Looks like the Tigers will hold onto a win with a margin of victory around 15-18. Team rebounds well after poor starts but would definitely be nice to avoid some of those poor starts. Having players as good as Alarie and Littlefield gives a margin for error against Ivy League teams, but better teams in the NCAAs will probably be tougher.

Still, this is a really fun team to watch. They're very aggressive on hustle plays, and Alarie is a legitimate WNBA player. Congrats to Bella and Taylor on their final home game at Jadwin, 2 great careers in Tiger uniforms



 
bradley 
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02-29-20 07:55 PM - Post#302410    
    In response to welcometothejungle

A bit of a struggle tonight especially after a 1-10 start, defense really raised its intensity level in the 2nd quarter. Tigers were down 12-0 or 16-0 against Yale at Yale so they had some prior experience as to a slow start against Yale. They may be playing them one more time in IvyMadness. Yale is a good team.

After game, Bella said that she was pulled by Carla in the 1st qtr because she was too ramped up.

Although the margin was less than ideal, it should not hurt them in the rankings as Yale is a top 60 team.

Will it be a good lesson down the road -- hopefully so. It gives Carla some ammunition to keep the team focused.

Biggest concern remains on the offensive end but the ball will wind up in Bella and Carlie's hands more and more and the other players need to be great role players.

 
bradley 
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Re: Women -- IL Play
03-01-20 10:11 AM - Post#302509    
    In response to welcometothejungle

Littlefield's offensive game came to life last evening which is sorely needed for the NCAAW Tournament. Bella's 19/13 with 4 assists shows her increasing role on the offensive side of the ball. Both will be needed if they are going to make a run.

Not sure if they will Tigers will be better off as a #6 seed vs. #5 seed as they avoid a #1 team in the Sweet 16 if they can get there. There is a pretty big difference in the quality of the #1 vs. #2 seeds, particularly this year. Based on remaining game projections, they may wind up as a #5 seed especially if they play Penn and Yale in IvyMadness and win.

They should move up one or two spots in AP and Coaches Poll this week with 3 comfortable wins, 2 of them against top 65 rpi teams.

Still a long way to go. Time will tell.

 
Tiger84 
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Re: Women -- IL Play
03-02-20 05:39 PM - Post#302737    
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Depends...would you rather maximize a shot at a trip to the Elite Eight or optimize around the Sweet 16? A 6 gives you a better shot at the Elite Eight since you wouldn't have to face a 1 seed in the Round of 16.

Not that they have any control over that. Keep playing, keep winning, and let the chips fall where they may.

We've gotten to root for some special teams--the '97-98 men, the '14-'15 women. This group might outachieve all of those Tiger teams since the VBK era.


Edited by Tiger84 on 03-02-20 05:39 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
bradley 
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Re: Women -- IL Play
03-02-20 07:54 PM - Post#302770    
    In response to Tiger84

Agree that the best advice is to just keep on trying to win and getting the highest seed possible. There is no guarantee that you get the best draw in round 1 or 2 but the higher the seed, historically the better the results in the aggregate.

AP moved the Tigers up from #23 to #21 -- Coaches Poll tomorrow.

ESPN bracketologist moved the Tigers up to #5 seed today. Depending on how other teams perform for the remainder of the year and in their competitive Power 5 tournaments, a #5 seed is certainly possible.

In order to raise the profile of the IL, the bare minimum is that the Tigers would need at least one win and a very competitive game against a strong team in round 2 but to really gain recognition, they need to get to the Final 16 and play a very competitive game in the 3rd round.

This team has some special gifts that could make it a memorable one but you never know and they could get knocked out in round #1.

Time will tell.

 
sparman 
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03-02-20 08:36 PM - Post#302773    
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I know it doesn't mean much, but during yesterday's broadcast of Maryland-Minnesota (women) game, the announcers mentioned several programs performing well this year in context of coach of the year consideration, and included Tigers. Such recognition cannot hurt when coaches vote in their polls.

 
SecS3 
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03-03-20 02:52 PM - Post#302854    
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Tigers 17th in the coaches poll this week.

 
bradley 
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03-03-20 07:03 PM - Post#302892    
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  • SecS3 Said:
Tigers 17th in the coaches poll this week.



Big jump, 4 spots, for the Tigers this week. Beating Penn and Take, top 60 teams, certainly helped plus several teams above them lost. It probably is going to be difficult to make the final cut, 16 spots, by the NCAAW Tournament Committee. It is but possible but two or three teams must lose above them and somehow the Tigers play and beat both Yale and Penn during IvyMadness.

One concern is that Columbia has dramatically improved during the IL season and the Tigers play on the road against them.

If only, they did not lose the 6 minute lead with 2 minutes to go in OT on the road.


 
SecS3 
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03-04-20 12:44 PM - Post#302972    
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"If only, they did not lose the 6 point lead with 2 minutes to go in OT on the road."

How true. That loss becomes more and more painful as the season goes on. If the Tigers finish the year with no other losses, it would have made for a second undefeated season. Truly remarkable. The other 'what if' that struck me while watching the Yale game was just imagine if the Emsbo twins hadn't decided to go their separate ways in college and Camilla also came to Princeton. How good would this team have been with her along side Bella in the front court? No regrets, just a thought.

 
rbg 
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03-04-20 12:57 PM - Post#302978    
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Tigers were named the Team of the Week by the NCAA.

https://www.ncaa.com/news/basketball-women /article...

 
bradley 
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03-04-20 06:57 PM - Post#303022    
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Says a lot about IL women's conference this year that Princeton could get this type of award by only playing IL competition but Penn and Yale's rpi certainly helped the cause to earn Team of the Week.

If, unlikely, Tigers get in the top 16 as per NCAAW Tournament committee, I believe that the first two rounds of the tournament would be at Jadwin, obviously a big advantage. If not for Iowa, Tiger fans would be watching the NCAAW tournaments games at Jadwin. How ironic is it that they go on the road for IvyMadness -- it would be great to have Robin explain.

 
Tiger69 
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03-04-20 10:51 PM - Post#303039    
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Ivy Madness is well named. I hope that this is not overconfident to say. But, I really don’t see anyone stopping the women in the silly tournament. They are head and shoulders above the rest of the League. It would take a major event to stop them before the NCAAs. GO TIGERS!

 
bradley 
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03-05-20 07:03 PM - Post#303136    
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  • Tiger69 Said:
Ivy Madness is well named. I hope that this is not overconfident to say. But, I really don’t see anyone stopping the women in the silly tournament. They are head and shoulders above the rest of the League. It would take a major event to stop them before the NCAAs. GO TIGERS!




This weekend, the Columbia game is probably going to be more challenging than Cornell and it may be far more challenging than one might think. Nolan has it only as a 15 pt spread. Columbia has won the prior 6 games with 5 of them pretty handily. Columbia's coach, former Princeton Assistant Coach, is very good and she has a team that is young but maturing. Columbia will be a player over the next 2 to 3 years.

Coach Berube on her podcast received a bunch of questions regarding IvyMadness and the NCAAW Tournament. She wanted no part of the discussion as not only did she give the normal coach talk of one game at a time but it is actually convincing based on her comments.

She did share that she watched her former team, Tufts, lose in the conference final after being 26-0 but they are going to the NCAA Tournament.

Banghart's NC team lost the last 6 in a row after being 16-6 and got knocked out of the ACC Tournament but she will get NC to improve next year.

Finally, Bella made the NCAAW first team players of the week. Hopefully, Bella will help the Tigers in the seeding process but probably not.

 
whitakk 
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03-06-20 01:05 AM - Post#303186    
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  • bradley Said:
If not for Iowa, Tiger fans would be watching the NCAAW tournaments games at Jadwin.



uh we do remember what happened the last time Princeton was undefeated...

 
bradley 
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03-06-20 09:29 AM - Post#303196    
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  • whitakk Said:
uh we do remember what happened the last time Princeton was undefeated...



Very fair point and perhaps they will receive the same disrespect this year -- it is indeed possible.
Always thought that the Bella factor might help this year's Tigers as to seeding as they have a talented big that has played big time USA basketball but I may be simply optimistic.

In any event, no matter where they are seeded, they should be competitive in game #1 and possibly game #2 but the quality of women's basketball is on the rise.

The reality is that they cannot afford to lose a single game of the 4 remaining.

 
rbg 
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03-06-20 10:51 AM - Post#303211    
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Of course anything is possible, but it is hard to see this team losing any of the 4 remaining games.

ESPNW has the Tigers listed as a #5 seed, playing in Corvallis and taking on the A-10 champs. The second round would be a potential game with Oregon State.

High Post Hoops has the Tigers listed as a #5 seed and facing Tennessee in the 1st round at Chicago. The second round would be a matchup against either DePaul or Bucknell.

http://www.espn.com/womens-college-basket ball/brac...

https://highposthoops.com/2020/03/03/womens-bas ket...

If I had my choices, I think I would take the trip to Corvalis, since I think Oregon State is a beatable team.

The potential Sweet 16 matchups would be South Carolina or Oregon, which would be really, really tough.

Of course, they could always be a #6 seed and sent to Raleigh for the 3rd year in a row. Then, they could face NC State in round 2 and make it a year where the Wolfpack lose games to Coach Banghart's UNC and the Tigers.

 
Tiger84 
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03-06-20 11:34 PM - Post#303332    
    In response to welcometothejungle

Some interesting results in the WBB top 25, along with the win over Columbia.

Iowa is down 30 to Ohio State in the 4th. Charlie Creme has them as a 4 seed and one wonders if the Tigers might pass them in his bracket. (Overtime loss or not)

Texas A&M lost by one to #25 Arkansas. Creme has A&M as a #5.

And Northwestern lost to an unranked Michigan team. Creme has the team from Evanston as a 3 seed...might be a stretch but passing NW might be feasible.


 
bradley 
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03-07-20 12:21 AM - Post#303336    
    In response to Tiger84

Somewhat concerned about this game going into the contest. Columbia is a good young upcoming team. They play very hard and Columbia did a great job in defending Bella. Bella had a taped up left hand and she has one of her worst offensive games in a long time but she played great defense and rebounded well. She did finally break the career scoring record at Princeton.

It was a 9 pt game with 12 minutes left in the game. Tigers played poorly on the offensive end until the end of the 3rd qtr but defense and rebounding were the norm. Columbia played very good defensively.

Not sure which team(s) you want the Tigers to play in IvyMadness but everyone should watch out for Columbia down the road.

 
bradley 
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03-07-20 12:24 AM - Post#303337    
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Wrong -- right hand not left hand taped, shooting hand, and she was in pain for most of the game.

It will be interesting to see if she plays tomorrow.

 
rbg 
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03-07-20 06:25 PM - Post#303449    
    In response to bradley

Alarie starting. scored 8 in the first quarter.

She has something on her right hand, wrapped around her thumb.

 
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