Chet Forte
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01-16-20 05:01 PM - Post#296838
Based upon my exchange with Murph I checked on the season to date stats for Hanson at Xavier and Faulds at Michigan. Both are buried deep on their respective benches, rarely play, and have basically done nothing.
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Murph
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01-17-20 07:01 AM - Post#296861
In response to Chet Forte
For the life of me, I will never understand Jaron Faulds' decision to transfer. Michigan is a great school, but it's not Columbia. And let's face it, none of these kids are going to the NBA, so they might as well get the best degree possible. On top of that, it's been two years since he's played much at all. After a promising freshman season at Columbia, he sat out a year, and is now buried at the end of the Michigan bench.
IMO, a much better option for Faulds would have been to play extensively for three years at Columbia, then take his last year off (ala Tape), graduate with a Columbia degree, then transfer to Michigan for a graduate degree and a chance to play high D1 in his 5th year, like Castlin, Mullins, Adlesh, Tape, etc.
That would have been much better for Columbia as well.
Hanson's decision is even worse, for all the same reasons.
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Chet Forte
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01-17-20 07:38 AM - Post#296863
In response to Murph
Faulds had a helicopter Dad. Always an issue.
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IvyHoopsFan01
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01-17-20 03:01 PM - Post#296886
In response to Chet Forte
Good point, Chet. Over the years, I coached several hundred athletes on elite club teams and experienced a ton of helicopter parents. I found that the helicopter kid athletes tended to out perform other athletes during the period from middle school to early high school years. As time wore on, they started to regress since the intense internal drive to succeed was more instilled their parents than their kids. It was a rare exception where the helicopter kid player could stay hungry and highly self-motivated, especially in college when the influence of parents diminishes dramatically.
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Chet Forte
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01-17-20 03:25 PM - Post#296887
In response to IvyHoopsFan01
I wonder if Juwan Howard is getting dissed on twitter by you know who.
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HGA
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01-17-20 06:42 PM - Post#296912
In response to Chet Forte
The young man is just fine!
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SomeGuy
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01-17-20 07:35 PM - Post#296914
In response to Murph
All depends on what they want to get out of the experience. Some kids would rather be a role player (or even just a practice player) at a big time program. I do agree with you that Faulds would actually have a better chance of playing a bigger role for a year somewhere like Michigan if he went the grad transfer route. But that may not be his goal.
It also may simply be that Faulds came to Columbia expecting to be a big fish in a small pond, and when he realized that he was going to be a role player for at least a year or two at Columbia, he just thought he might as well be a role player at a bigger program.
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Billy Hoyle
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01-27-20 01:41 PM - Post#297580
In response to Murph
For the life of me, I will never understand Jaron Faulds' decision to transfer. Michigan is a great school, but it's not Columbia. And let's face it, none of these kids are going to the NBA, so they might as well get the best degree possible. On top of that, it's been two years since he's played much at all. After a promising freshman season at Columbia, he sat out a year, and is now buried at the end of the Michigan bench.
IMO, a much better option for Faulds would have been to play extensively for three years at Columbia, then take his last year off (ala Tape), graduate with a Columbia degree, then transfer to Michigan for a graduate degree and a chance to play high D1 in his 5th year, like Castlin, Mullins, Adlesh, Tape, etc.
That would have been much better for Columbia as well.
Hanson's decision is even worse, for all the same reasons.
being from the Midwest I can tell you that Michigan carries more weight in the professional world than Columbia does. In Chicago, Michigan is right behind the U of Chicago and Northwestern for prestige.
My cousin graduated from Holt with Faulds. His dream school was always Michigan, even being in Michigan State's back yard. He didn't really like NYC and when Michigan gave him the opportunity how could he not take it?
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Chet Forte
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01-27-20 05:09 PM - Post#297593
In response to Billy Hoyle
So when Lee Bollinger left the presidency of Michigan for Columbia he was taking a demotion in prestige etc.? And the USNews and World Report carries no weight in Chicago? And in the. legal and medical worlds Columbia far surpasses any of those three schools both in Chicago and the rest of the country.
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palestra38
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01-27-20 05:52 PM - Post#297596
In response to Chet Forte
As a Columbia Law grad, I think the reputation of the school speaks for itself. I cringe every time I see an alum of either of my schools reference the US News ratings. But the point that Michigan is an excellent school that has a huge alumni base (and thus networking clout) in Chicago is true. And let's face it---it is so big and different from CU that a kid who prefers it there probably wasn't at the best school for him at Columbia.
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SomeGuy
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01-27-20 11:17 PM - Post#297611
In response to palestra38
Also, regardless of the relative merits of the two schools purely based on academics, the truth is that there is some professional juice in playing basketball at Michigan that doesn’t exist at Columbia (or Penn). Faulds may need to be more than a walk-on deep reserve to get much of that juice, but it is there for a smart driven kid if the team is good.
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