rbg
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01-28-20 12:58 PM - Post#297649
https://ivyleague.com/news/2020/1/27/mens-b asketba...
A 10-week schedule for the next 2 years. Next year's schedule will begin on Saturday 1/2/21. There will be 3 Fri/Sat Back-to-Back weekends. There will be another 2 game weekend with a game on Saturday and another on MLK Day. The last weekend will have a single game against a team's travel partner.
Below is the league's schedule with my guesses with the dates for next season.
Week 1 (1/2/21) - 1 game
Week 2 (1/8/21 & 1/9/21) - 2 games back-to-back Fri/Sat
Week 3 (1/16/21 & 1/18/21) - 2 games (Sat & MLK Day)
Week 4 (1/22/21 or 1/23/21) - 1 game
Week 5 (1/29/21 or 1/30/21) - 1 game
Week 6 (2/5/21 & 2/6/21) - 2 games back-to-back
Week 7 (2/12/21 or 2/13/21) - 1 game
Week 8 (2/19/21 & 2/20/21) - 2 games back-to-back
Week 9 (2/26/21 or 2/27/21) - 1 game
Week 10 (3/5/21 or 3/6/21) - 1 game vs Travel Partner
Week 11 (3/12/21 - 3/14/21) - Ivy Tournament at Princeton
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digamma
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01-28-20 02:32 PM - Post#297660
In response to rbg
Kinda hate it. As the rest of the college basketball nation is gearing up for March Madness we're playing one game a weekend the last two weeks of the regular season. And if someone locks up an Ivy Madness spot 10 games into the season, you've got almost a month of games for seeding only.
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palestra38
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01-28-20 02:50 PM - Post#297663
In response to digamma
Presumably, since the Ivy season begins in January, the teams will play OOC games during the Ivy season, as well.
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penn nation
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01-28-20 03:14 PM - Post#297668
In response to palestra38
At least it now eliminates playing your travel partner twice early on.
I also like that all teams begin and end the Ivy season at the same time.
Presumably everyone will try to schedule a tune-up DIII game during the last week of December.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-28-20 03:42 PM - Post#297676
In response to penn nation
Press release attempt to emphasize that this is better for academics. There are pros (travel partners split) and cons (only a few games in final weeks). The race for regular season champ could easily be decided by mid-February, but the race for 4th place seems to continue longer. Of course, the Tournament trumps everything else.
I'll miss the back to backs as it is less desirable to travel 4 hours each way for a single game.
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mrjames
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01-28-20 03:54 PM - Post#297682
In response to palestra38
The strategy around this, specifically, is of immense interest to me.
I could imagine teams shying away from scheduling non-conf games during league play to keep the focus on the real prize. If so, that's very, very few games over the final six weeks of the season.
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Tiger84
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01-28-20 04:10 PM - Post#297685
In response to mrjames
Do we know if the back-to-backs will be with the traditional travel partners? And do we know if this means you'll do one set of back-to-backs with each set of schools that isn't your travel partner?
One potential inequity is that you won't have the same number of back-to-backs on the road vs at home, unless the MLK weekend is used to balance that out.
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palestra38
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01-28-20 04:18 PM - Post#297690
In response to mrjames
That would mean November and December would be crazy
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JDP
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Ivy Schedule Changes for '20-'21 & '21-'22
01-28-20 04:23 PM - Post#297691
In response to mrjames
I agree with your assumption of teams keeping eyes on their league’s tournament. I really don’t see any team wanting to play any out of conference game post the first weekend in January. Other then Big 5 games, how many non-conference games were played after 6 Jan, 13 Jan, 20 Jan? How many left? (I assume someone with web scraping skills can figure this out)
As basketball does not appear to have any independent schools, who would have schedule availability? Won’t most large conferences have two league games every week?
Given how high the ivies are in the mid major polls - perhaps some entrapenurial person will create an Ivy mid major challenge for two of the the single game weekends ... or will the ivies not be able to play in the bracket buster weekends?
Edited by JDP on 01-28-20 04:23 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Chip Bayers
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01-28-20 04:36 PM - Post#297694
In response to mrjames
The strategy around this, specifically, is of immense interest to me.
I could imagine teams shying away from scheduling non-conf games during league play to keep the focus on the real prize. If so, that's very, very few games over the final six weeks of the season.
Donahue has already said Penn ‘s entire Big 5 schedule will be completed before the end of December because of this plan, since there will no longer be open weekend spots for non-league play. I think this in large part because the teams don’t have much room to schedule midweek City Series games anymore in January/February, since the Big East/A10/AAC all have national TV contracts calling for midweek league games during those months.
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mrjames
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01-28-20 04:40 PM - Post#297697
In response to palestra38
This is why I've been pushing harder on MTEs in the Twittersphere.
MTEs are essential to getting this done. Some sort of 3 or 4 count 2 type of compromise will help ease the scheduling burden of trying to fit 13 games in what will essentially be the month between season start and exams and the week between end of exams and first league week (which itself is chopped in half by Christmas).
13 individual games across the equivalent of about 6 weeks is rough. Gonna be very hard to get the games you want without some heavy stretches.
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Quakers03
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Ivy Schedule Changes for '20-'21 & '21-'22
01-28-20 05:43 PM - Post#297707
In response to mrjames
So more self-sabotage in the name of "academics." I guess the league makes more money the more they are on tv? What other reasoning could be behind this?
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Old Bear
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01-28-20 09:27 PM - Post#297723
In response to Quakers03
The new schedule presents some strategic issues. Having 3 back-to-back weekends means two on the road for some and only one for the others. I assume this will reverse each year. The home teams seem to benefit on the Saturday of double headers (stats guys please opine). The at C's weekend presents the worst travel conditions, which has been discussed on the board in the past.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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01-28-20 09:38 PM - Post#297725
In response to Old Bear
Penn fans didn’t seem to enjoy visiting Hanover and Cambridge either. Remember hearing about late Friday night bus rides.
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Naismith
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01-29-20 12:45 AM - Post#297728
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Only saving grace of breaking up America's most unique and longest-running basketball schedule format is an overdue assignment of travel-partners to become final game of regular season.
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SRP
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01-29-20 02:28 PM - Post#297758
In response to Naismith
Wow, is this terrible or what? We’ve gone from a balanced, coherent, and distinctive design fitted to the conference’s idiosyncratic concerns to a mess. One game per week during the last six weeks? What are they smoking?
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penn nation
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01-29-20 02:56 PM - Post#297760
In response to SRP
There's actually more balance this way in terms of all teams having parallel schedules and presumably not playing the same team twice before playing everyone else once.
The damage had already been done the past couple of years when they got rid of Penn-Princeton being the regular season finale on a weekday. That's like doing away with "The Game". And guaranteeing the last couple of years that Penn-Princeton would have at least one game when students were away.
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Go Green
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01-30-20 03:16 PM - Post#297841
In response to penn nation
The damage had already been done the past couple of years when they got rid of Penn-Princeton being the regular season finale on a weekday. That's like doing away with "The Game". And guaranteeing the last couple of years that Penn-Princeton would have at least one game when students were away.
Penn-Princeton isn't as big a deal that it used to be...
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palestra38
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01-30-20 03:25 PM - Post#297844
In response to Go Green
No, but they made it that way because of the Tournament. Can you imagine the League being consistent and allowing the Ivy winner in football to go to the FCS playoffs after The Game?
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mrjames
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01-30-20 03:51 PM - Post#297849
In response to palestra38
Not sure why that *had* to be the case. I get not wanting to play Thursday or Friday before a Saturday-Sunday tournament, but I'm not sure how much of a disadvantage playing Tuesday night would be. Three days off versus six matters a lot less than, say, one day off versus four.
Was there something around the release of the tournament that explicitly stated they couldn't do this?
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