PennFan10
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02-05-20 02:39 PM - Post#298622
Early candiates for the IL POY and ROY?
For ROY it has to be a two horse race at this point?
Dingle and Ledlum with Dingle probably ahead at this point?
For POY its an interesting year. Swain, Atkinson, Brodeur, Richmond, Chris Lewis, Kirkwood all in the conversation unless Aiken reappears and dominates.
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Silver Maple
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02-05-20 04:34 PM - Post#298638
In response to PennFan10
If Yale keeps playing as it has, I really think the POY will have to be a Yalie.
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mobrien
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02-05-20 07:11 PM - Post#298660
In response to Silver Maple
Yes, Atkinson has to have the inside track on POY right now. Princeton doesn't have one guy they rely on quite the same way. And Penn or Harvard would have to finish at or near the top of the league standings for Brodeur or Lewis or Kirkwood to have a real shot, I'd imagine.
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Old Bear
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02-05-20 08:19 PM - Post#298664
In response to mobrien
Can we at least wait until we have played half or three quarters of the games?
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PennFan10
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02-05-20 08:30 PM - Post#298665
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Can we at least wait until we have played half or three quarters of the games?
You can wait forever. No need to read or comment on any subjects you don't like.
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Old Bear
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02-05-20 09:02 PM - Post#298668
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I didn't know that. Thanks for pointing it out.
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welcometothejungle
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02-05-20 10:52 PM - Post#298672
In response to Old Bear
Assuming Yale wins the league I think Atkinson is the easy choice for POY, although if Brodeur puts up great numbers and Penn finishes the season strong I could see him getting the votes as a senior and I wouldn't hate it. Don't think anyone on Princeton or Harvard is consistent enough individually to get into the conversation at this point.
For ROY I think it's Dingle's to lose just because he has the largest role of any rookie. Ledlum is intriguing but just doesn't play enough minutes, so unless he sees a drastic role increase in the next 10 games I don't think he has a shot. After those 2 Forrest, Evbuomwan, Martz, Friday, Cowan all seem useful this season but would all need to have huge finishes to even get near this conversation.
If DPOY isn't Bruner I'll be stunned
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PennFan10
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02-06-20 10:22 AM - Post#298682
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If DPOY isn't Bruner I'll be stunned
I don't think this is a one horse race. Justin Bassey is absolutely a top candidate for this award. He has to be. This will almost certainly come down to how these two teams fare against each other.
Yale has the best defense in the league and Bruner's versatility and length make him one of their best defenders. I haven't seen Bruner this year yet but I also haven't seen a player as consistently impactful on the defensive end as Bassey so far this season.
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mrjames
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02-06-20 11:59 AM - Post#298688
In response to Old Bear
Can we at least wait until we have played half or three quarters of the games?
All Ivies have played a number of games within that range. I get that your point is that Ivies haven't played that number of *league* games, but all games matter, and if you don't believe that, you can feel free to ship the 2019 Ivy POY award to Bryce Aiken.
[To be clear, league play obviously matters more, but the whole season is considered.]
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palestra38
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02-06-20 12:04 PM - Post#298691
In response to mrjames
It's just a subjective award no matter how you look at it and of course, a good argument could be made for Aiken last year.
There is only one objective award and that is all that matters.
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Tiger69
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02-06-20 01:27 PM - Post#298709
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In the unlikely event that Princeton wins the Ivies, Richmond Aririguzoh would have to be a strong candidate.ðŸ…
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welcometothejungle
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02-06-20 02:03 PM - Post#298716
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If DPOY isn't Bruner I'll be stunned
I don't think this is a one horse race. Justin Bassey is absolutely a top candidate for this award. He has to be. This will almost certainly come down to how these two teams fare against each other.
Yale has the best defense in the league and Bruner's versatility and length make him one of their best defenders. I haven't seen Bruner this year yet but I also haven't seen a player as consistently impactful on the defensive end as Bassey so far this season.
I think Bassey is a great defender, but from the games I’ve seen Bruner is even better. He’s so athletic and versatile, and combined with his size he dominates on the defensive end. He’s top 100 in the country in BLK% as well, and while defensive metrics are far from perfect he’s the conference leader in all of them by a pretty good margin. All the Yale games I’ve watched Bruner has been a force in the paint and guarding the perimeter when needed
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PennFan10
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02-06-20 02:21 PM - Post#298719
In response to welcometothejungle
I agree Bruner is dominant. He and Bassey are so different it's difficult to say one is better. Bassey is the best on-ball defender in the league. There aren't any stats that say that, but I am confident virtually every coach would agree. Bruner is a beast for sure.
I have to think the choice between these two for DPOY, at this stage (with a long way to go), is very close.
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PennFan10
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02-07-20 08:12 PM - Post#298901
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Well, I am starting to ride the Atkinson train. He was absolutely awesome against Lewis and Harvard tonight. Totally different player this year.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-07-20 08:36 PM - Post#298906
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Atkinson has the best footwork for a center that I may have ever seen. Smooth, agile and always under control.
Lewis completely shut down and Harvard’s bigs pick up 12 fouls! Swain was amazing as well.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-07-20 11:55 PM - Post#298941
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Bruner was barely visible. Three points, eight boards on 1-8 shooting (1-3 from three point range) in 34 minutes. I didn't see the first half, so couldn't tell if early foul trouble was an issue. Tweaking his ankle late in the second half clearly didn't help.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-08-20 01:59 AM - Post#298949
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Watched replay. Bruner had a slight limp/hitch all game and no explosiveness. Something could be wrong.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-08-20 11:09 AM - Post#298966
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Just downloaded the replay for later review. Will pay closer attention to Bruner's mobility.
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HARVARDDADGRAD
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02-08-20 11:20 AM - Post#298969
In response to weinhauers_ghost
Just saw game highlights, starting with the lob and dunk to Baker for Harvard's 7th/8th points in the opening minutes Bruner didn't elevate.
Announcers had it right, push the tempo so Atkinson and Bruner must play in transition and can't set up.
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weinhauers_ghost
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02-09-20 08:32 PM - Post#299343
In response to HARVARDDADGRAD
Just saw game highlights, starting with the lob and dunk to Baker for Harvard's 7th/8th points in the opening minutes Bruner didn't elevate.
Announcers had it right, push the tempo so Atkinson and Bruner must play in transition and can't set up.
I saw that play, and was surprised that Bruner didn't contest the lob. Couldn't tell if that was due to a physical issue, or just plain brain lockup.
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