Condor
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02-16-20 09:20 AM - Post#300329
13 Arizona L 10
26 Villanova L 11
47 Alabama W 1
50 Yale W 8
64 Providence W 6
101 Temple W 7
111 Harvard W 3
125 UCF W 1
179 La Salle W 16
182 Princeton L 14
182 Princeton L 5
198 Rice L 19
207 Lafayette L 11
215 Dartmouth W 9
216 Brown L 12
269 Columbia W 9
272 St. Joes L 6
298 Cornell W 6
304 LBSU W 16
350 Howard W 19
DIII Widener W 48
Penn is:
0-2 against teams ranked 13-26
4-0 against teams ranked 47-101
3-0 against teams ranked 111-179
0-4 against teams ranked 182-207
2-2 against teams ranked 215-272
4-0 against teams ranked 298+
How does any team go 7-0 against teams ranked 47-179, and go 2-6 against teams ranked 182-272? I find it difficult to buy the “they know us†argument for the lower ranked teams. Yale, Temple, Harvard, and LaSalle know us too. I would expect some freshmen hiccups, but again, it really doesn’t explain the 2-6 record against 182-272. I have read much of the discussion here, but I still remain surprised by the inconsistent results. I would expect some surprise losses, but this record is difficult figure. In any case, you have to admire the resiliency of this team to rebound from bad losses.
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10Q
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02-16-20 10:00 AM - Post#300334
In response to Condor
Inconsistent thy name is Penn
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palestra38
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Re: cord
02-16-20 10:55 AM - Post#300342
In response to Condor
I would suggest it is the effect of the constantly changing lineups and inconsistency of freshmen.
As well as a terrible schedule this year in which we essentially played no competitive games for 3 weeks and were terribly flat when we started up again
And then games like Brown--bad matchups
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penn nation
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Re: cord
02-16-20 12:49 PM - Post#300364
In response to Condor
They also played very well against the top two teams they faced (Wildcats X 2). Were within striking distance down the stretch in both games.
One of the reasons this is such a high variance team is that the bench is really thin. We don't really have a large margin for error.
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SomeGuy
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Re: cord
02-16-20 01:42 PM - Post#300368
In response to palestra38
I’m not sure why the matchup with Brown is bad. Anderson and Hunsaker averaged 10 ppg combined last year against us, and for the prior 4 games against us had shot under 33%. And the first half was more of the same.
Kind of weird how it suddenly reversed. It isn’t obvious why Goodman can defend Smith and Swain so well, but at least for a half couldn’t handle Anderson. Physically it seems like Goodman should be better able to handle him, because he isn’t as thick as Smith and Swain. Some of it may have been other stuff putting us in bad spots — turnovers and run outs on defensive rebounds left us without the help we usually have at the rim from AJ.
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SomeGuy
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02-16-20 01:43 PM - Post#300369
In response to 10Q
The numbers actually look pretty consistent by range!
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13otto
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Re: cord
02-16-20 06:07 PM - Post#300395
In response to Condor
I was going to post something similar prior to the Yale game, but had to head to the game.
My post was going to say that Penn is 6-0 ATS (now 7-0) when Vegas has them as an underdog, and 4-0 (now 5-0) straight up as an underdog when the opponent was not ranked in the AP top 25 at the time of the matchup. In my opinion, we just seem to match up better with the bigger, more athletic teams. Even last season, when we started off 10-2 (prior to the injuries to Max and Michael), we were 3-1 as an underdog when the opponent was not ranked in the AP top 15 at the time of the matchup.
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palestra38
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Re: cord
02-16-20 07:19 PM - Post#300399
In response to SomeGuy
(1) No Antonio,
(2) Anderson is far quicker than either of the Yale guards, and
(3) No Antonio
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Mike Porter
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02-16-20 09:37 PM - Post#300406
In response to palestra38
Pretty sure Antonio didn’t guard Anderson... Dev did.
Antonio typically guarded the bigger more athletic guys (usually the best wings on opposing team) and Dev covered the quick ones so pretty certain Antonio covered Cambridge.
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Chip Bayers
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02-16-20 10:18 PM - Post#300410
In response to Mike Porter
Silpe was also a factor. Only 12 minutes in the first game but 37 in the second.
One big part of the D that is missing this year that Silpe in particular supplied last year is forcing turnovers. Team as a whole has gone from 19% down to 16%—136th nationally down to 310th. Dev is off a bit from his numbers last year as well, which were comparable to Silpe’s.
Edited by Chip Bayers on 02-16-20 10:20 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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Quakers03
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02-16-20 11:20 PM - Post#300411
In response to Chip Bayers
Jake always seemed to get his hands on balls. You’d like to think Eddie could do more of that with some extra playing time. I still can’t get over how high he got up for that last rebound to ice it.
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SomeGuy
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Re: cord
02-17-20 12:30 AM - Post#300414
In response to palestra38
Not sure who is quicker, but Anderson and Hunsaker scored 6 total points in the first Yale game and shot 25% for the two Yale games combined.
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Condor
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Re: cord
02-17-20 10:18 AM - Post#300422
In response to SomeGuy
I think you are all giving Brown way too much credit. This is not meant to be disrespectful to Brown, but I think it is more about Penn playing up to its potential and playing its game than it is about matchups. I am not saying that Brown and other similarly ranked teams can’t be Penn. I am just saying that it should not happen with the regularity that it did this year.
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palestra38
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Re: cord
02-17-20 10:26 AM - Post#300423
In response to Condor
We have had a problem with putting teams away when we have a chance to do so---the same with Harvard and Dartmouth. While we won those games, we had the opportunity to put the foot on the neck in the first half and failed to do so, giving the opposition momentum coming into the second half. This is where I question those who say Donahue has failed to recruit well---it's all about the injuries that have sapped our depth terribly. The good news is that I think Scott has figured it out. And his contribution will make us much tougher to defend---with Scott at the 4 and Martz at the 3, we have a combination of height, speed/athleticism and shooting that just isn't there when we have Jerome in with 3 guards and Martz. Still, both Dingle and Goodman have to play better than they did last weekend. If they play well, we can win any or all of our remaining games.
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Streamers
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Re: cord
02-17-20 11:49 AM - Post#300427
In response to palestra38
The good news is that I think Scott has figured it out. And his contribution will make us much tougher to defend---with Scott at the 4 and Martz at the 3, we have a combination of height, speed/athleticism and shooting that just isn't there when we have Jerome in with 3 guards and Martz.
Scott improves Penn's defense and rebounding significantly as well; even if he is not hitting baseline jumpers or getting out on the break as much as he did Saturday.
We will keep seeing Jerome quite a bit, both to eat minutes when the guards need a blow and when SD is tired of seeing Dingle making bad decisions with the ball. This unless Betley or Washington make a return.
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penn nation
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Re: cord
02-17-20 12:20 PM - Post#300433
In response to Streamers
It would be nice if Lucas Monroe was more consistent here, too. Showed some promise in the first half of the season but hasn't been as effective (and thus on the court) of late.
Good Monroe > Jerome
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Silver Maple
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02-17-20 01:52 PM - Post#300444
In response to penn nation
Monroe is a freshman. They often hit the wall during the season. The faster pace and greater physicality of the college game wears them down. And we all know that freshmen tend to be inconsistent. If he works hard over the summer it's likely he'll be a bigger, more consistent contributor next year.
The real mystery to me is Washington. Based on what he showed last year, it's hard to understand why he's been a non-factor this season. I wish I knew what was going on there.
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penn nation
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02-17-20 02:21 PM - Post#300447
In response to Silver Maple
A recent post indicated that he was injured.
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Quakers03
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02-17-20 02:54 PM - Post#300449
In response to penn nation
But his PT was gone long before this injury and if you're dressing and participating in layup drills, it can't be that big of a deal.
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Condor
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Re: cord
02-17-20 03:26 PM - Post#300450
In response to penn nation
Dingle and Monroe both need to improve their FT shooting. Ray is at 75%. Both Dingle and Monroe are below 60%. It is tough to have them in at the end of the game with that type of percentage, especially if you are trying to hold a lead. I think both of them are going to be good players. Until they work out that issue, I think you will see Ray in at the end of the game.
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