Eric Von Zipper
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02-20-20 04:26 PM - Post#300875
Opens Cantabs -8
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palestra38
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Re: Harvard
02-20-20 07:40 PM - Post#300889
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Princeton Plus the Points
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bradley
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Re: Harvard
02-20-20 11:55 PM - Post#300903
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Mitch discussed the challenges of playing Harvard and Dartmouth on the road. Two weeks prior on his radio show, he complimented Dartmouth's head coach and Mitch was very surprised that Dartmouth had a poor record although he mentioned their road schedule and losing tight games.
As to Harvard, he said that the biggest challenge is how well Harvard gets right into the face of offensive player pressuring the ball. He also commented that Amaker has recently reduced his rotation so he is pretty sure as to which players that they will face.
For me, everything starts with the Arirguzoh/Lewis match up. After the first Harvard game, Richmond expressed disappointed as to how he played Lewis in the first half. Arirguzoh needs to play Lewis one on one without any help from other Tiger players. If the defense collapses on Lewis, Harvard starts passing the ball around the horn until someone gets a more open 3 pt shot. By not collapsing, it forces Harvard to go more one on one which should be a plus.
Going to be a challenging game as Harvard will be playing desperate in order to play in IvyMadness at home. Lewis, Bassey and all other seniors will be all in tomorrow night at home.
Who knows what happens this year in the Ivy League.
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Eric Von Zipper
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Re: Harvard
02-21-20 01:12 PM - Post#300952
In response to Eric Von Zipper
Opens Cantabs -8
Lunch hour update.
Princeton +7 1/2 O/U 141 1/2
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palestra38
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Re: Harvard
02-21-20 02:39 PM - Post#300968
In response to Eric Von Zipper
And Mark Eckel of Bettors' Insider gives us the old "This line is telling me something" approach.
https://www.bettorsinsider.com/ncaab/2020/02/21/iv...
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mrjames
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Re: Harvard
02-21-20 02:57 PM - Post#300969
In response to palestra38
The line is a function of KenPom/similar ratings. It's not telling you anything except what the two teams' ratings are and how much HCA is worth.
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palestra38
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Re: Harvard
02-21-20 03:45 PM - Post#300972
In response to mrjames
So are you telling me that Eckel doesn't know what he is talking about writing for a Gambling Publication?
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mrjames
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Re: Harvard
02-21-20 05:41 PM - Post#301003
In response to palestra38
HA!
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 08:02 PM - Post#301025
In response to mrjames
Llewellyn, Wright, Friberg, Evbuomwan, Aririguzoh to start. Schwieger out with illness.
Harvard sticking with the 4 seniors + Kirkwood to start. No Aiken as expected
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 08:10 PM - Post#301031
In response to welcometothejungle
Sloppy start with 3 TOs early for the Tigers, but defense holding strong. Llewellyn aggressive early and has gone through Juzang twice for layups, and Wright found Friberg on a back door for an easy layup. 6-5 at the U16
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TigerFan
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Harvard
02-21-20 08:10 PM - Post#301032
In response to welcometothejungle
JL with two nifty moves and beautiful back donor cut from Friberg give Tigers an early 6-5 lead. RA with 2 early TOs. Needs to take care of the ball better.
Edited by TigerFan on 02-21-20 08:11 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 08:18 PM - Post#301035
In response to TigerFan
Llewellyn in a zone right now, he's knocked down 2 contested 3s and he's up to a game high 12 after just 8 minutes of play. Knotted at 14 at the U12
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 08:26 PM - Post#301044
In response to welcometothejungle
Back to back 3s from Friberg force an Amaker TO with 8:13 left, Tigers up 22-17. The good and bad of Ledlum coming to play, with a strong and-1 finish through 3 Tigers on one possession and then a turnover and losing Friberg on the next 2.
RA having a lot of trouble offensively against Lewis, but doing a good job defensively and on the boards
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 08:35 PM - Post#301054
In response to welcometothejungle
Tigers lead by 29-21 at the U4, holding Harvard to just 0.71 PPP and have been forcing a lot of tough looks early
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TigerFan
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02-21-20 08:38 PM - Post#301060
In response to welcometothejungle
Yale, Penn and Brown all trailing in first half.
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TigerFan
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02-21-20 08:39 PM - Post#301062
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Refs starting to get whistle happy and Cantabs in the bonus with 3 to play. Tigers 9-pt lead down to 4
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TigerFan
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02-21-20 08:47 PM - Post#301071
In response to TigerFan
JL with the crossover step back 3–in and out!—as time expires. Tigers up 4 at the half. Yale, Penn and Brown all trailing at the half.
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 08:47 PM - Post#301072
In response to TigerFan
Heading into halftime up 34-30. Pretty good half especially without Schwieger. Llewellyn playing perhaps his most aggressive half in a while, he's got 17 to lead the game.
All 34 points so far from the starters, as Friberg's move to the starting lineup has shortened the bench a bit. Langborg got in briefly in the 1st half. Tigers are doing well on the offensive glass but haven't been great keeping Harvard off of the offensive glass either
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 09:12 PM - Post#301102
In response to welcometothejungle
Wow Desrosiers blows by Baker on the baseline for a powerful dunk
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 09:16 PM - Post#301108
In response to welcometothejungle
Tigers steal a few minutes with both RA and JL on the bench without too much trouble, but Kirkwood's shooting 3 FT after a bad foul by Desrosiers.
Tigers still up 46-41 with 11:52 to play
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 09:27 PM - Post#301121
In response to welcometothejungle
Lots of contact down low on 2 attempts by JL but no call, and Harvard turns the ensuing 5 on 4 possession into a transition basket. Lead down to 50-49 with 8 minutes left
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 09:33 PM - Post#301135
In response to welcometothejungle
Offense in a real slog now, Harvard's taken the lead 53-50 with 6 to play
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 09:47 PM - Post#301145
In response to welcometothejungle
Tigers really struggling with Harvard's length inside right now. Crimson up 61-57 with 2:11 to play
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 09:59 PM - Post#301149
In response to welcometothejungle
JL attacks hard but Forbes with another block and Harvard leads 61-60 with 7.5 left, Kirkwood shooting 2. 10 blocks for Harvard tonight
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 10:00 PM - Post#301150
In response to welcometothejungle
Kirkwood misses the front end and the Tigers will get 3.9 seconds to score, down by 1
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 10:04 PM - Post#301151
In response to welcometothejungle
Crazy sequence, Tigers unable to score and Harvard wins it 61-60. Tough loss, Tigers struggled to put Harvard away when they had the lead, as has been the case for a few years now. Harvard's length just caused too many problems inside tonight
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TigerFan
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Harvard
02-21-20 10:06 PM - Post#301152
In response to welcometothejungle
I want to see the replay of that scramble again. Sure looked like Harvard player grabbed JL’s arm to keep him from going up with the ball at the end. Tough loss!
Edited by TigerFan on 02-21-20 10:08 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 10:09 PM - Post#301153
In response to TigerFan
On the replay it looked like Juzang grabbed him but you're never going to get that call there unfortunately. Coach Earl giving Yale everything they can handle up in Ithaca so still a chance the Tigers don't drop out of their tie for first. Brown and Harvard's wins put them even with the Tigers. 1-5 are going to be very tightly contested this year, maybe the first time in the ILT era
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umbrellaman
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02-21-20 10:28 PM - Post#301166
In response to welcometothejungle
Yale up 1 2OT turns ball over with 22 sec to go. Cornell takes lead on a back door running center-forward, but leaves 13 sec for Yale to get a basket snd the lead.
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welcometothejungle
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02-21-20 11:17 PM - Post#301177
In response to umbrellaman
Without Schwieger in the lineup, a 1 point loss at Harvard doesn't look too bad, and it was nice to see JL stepping up offensively early. Tough loss but can't complain too much, the Tigers had a chance to win it. They've been excellent on 2nd nights so far this season and will need to continue that tomorrow night in Hanover. Getting a split this weekend still leaves them in striking distance for the top spot
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LocalTiger
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02-21-20 11:46 PM - Post#301178
In response to welcometothejungle
Any idea when Schwieger will be back?
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westcoast
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02-21-20 11:50 PM - Post#301179
In response to LocalTiger
Schwieger was on the bench at Harvard, so I guess there is a chance he could play on Saturday.
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gokinsmen
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Harvard
02-21-20 11:57 PM - Post#301180
In response to westcoast
Had plenty of chances at the end, but proud of the road effort w/o Schweiger. Even with the Tourney, the conference regular season has been superb.
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1LotteryPick1969
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02-22-20 08:13 AM - Post#301187
In response to gokinsmen
Watched first 10 minutes live, and the last five minutes this AM.
As stated, good road effort without a key cog.
I love Forbes' hair--I feel like I'm back on campus in the 60's again.
The in-bound play at the end was well conceived; they got a switch at the elbow, and Richmond was guarded by a smaller man. The pass was a hair short, and Richmond fumbled it. Otherwise would have been a decent shot, probably fouled, and another chance to tie/win at the line. *sigh*
Oh well.
Go Tigers tonight.
Still in play for the title but mostly playing for the tournament. We match up well against everyone except Yale.
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bradley
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02-22-20 08:58 AM - Post#301189
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
Competitive hard fought game on the road. Yale has the Tiger's number as you suggest but other than that there is very little difference amongst the remaining teams for Mitch and crew. I was surprised that Harvard did not play better at home -- turnover machine but they play very hard.
Dartmouth will be a very tough team on the road as they are playing much better. Mitch mentioned them several weeks ago on the radio show which he reaffirmed last week. He seemed to have as much trepidation as to playing Dartmouth on the road as Harvard.
There does not appear to be a ONi/Copeland team in the league this year but it is widely competitive and fun to watch.
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bradley
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02-22-20 11:37 AM - Post#301199
In response to 1LotteryPick1969
It was a very well designed play at the end and Friberg did throw it a bit short but I am sure that he wanted to make sure that he did throw it over Richmond's head and out of bounds.
Jaelin was fouled in scramble but they will not call it on the road and never leave it down to one play at the end.
Jaelin was the most athletic player on the court and he still has two years to refine his game.
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02-22-20 01:31 PM - Post#301219
In response to bradley
May have been JL’s best game as a Tiger. 22 pats, 8 rb. 2 steals, 0 TOs. He played with high energy but within himself. Looking for another strong Saturday game after a gutsy performance last night.
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Eric Von Zipper
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02-22-20 02:45 PM - Post#301232
In response to TigerFan
One field goal in the last 5 minutes would have done it.
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welcometothejungle
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02-22-20 03:03 PM - Post#301238
In response to Eric Von Zipper
JL had 2 layups rim out in the last 5 minutes and got a great look at the rim but Forbes made a great defensive play. Without Schwieger in the lineup and with RA and Lewis basically neutralizing each other, the Tigers really struggled offensively down the stretch as JL struggled with the length of Forbes and Baker down low.
Forbes played over Lewis most of the 2nd half and wreaked havoc on defense. I would've liked to have seen some lineups with Desrosiers as the 5 against Forbes down the stretch to spread the floor a bit more.
I'm also surprised we didn't go to more guard post ups. The Tigers started both halves by posting up Juzang, with JL scoring on him to start the game and then Wright scoring on him to start the 2nd half. Typically the first 2-3 plays of the half are scripted, so it suggests the coaching staff saw an advantage there. Think we could gone to that look a little bit more. Not only does it give us good looks inside, but it's also tiring for guards like Juzang to defend in the post, which can affect them on the other end. Schwieger obviously does it a lot but JL and Wright look like they have some post moves too against smaller guards.
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02-22-20 07:04 PM - Post#301251
In response to bradley
It was a very well designed play at the end and Friberg did throw it a bit short but I am sure that he wanted to make sure that he did throw it over Richmond's head and out of bounds.
True. But I wonder, would a lob close to the rim have been better. Treat it more like a short shot.
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