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Eric Von Zipper 
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02-22-20 02:36 PM - Post#301229    

Opens Indians-Tigers a pick'em.

O/U 129.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 07:47 PM - Post#301263    
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Cornell taking a 9 point lead into halftime against Brown up in Ithaca. Big Red couldn't finish it out last night but Coach Earl can do the Tigers a huge favor odds wise by knocking off the Bears tonight

 
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02-22-20 07:59 PM - Post#301264    
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Parity!
8 team Ivy Tournament would be scary this year

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 08:02 PM - Post#301265    
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Schwieger back in the lineup tonight, hopefully as close to 100% as possible. Back to the usual starters

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 08:10 PM - Post#301267    
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Offense comes out humming, including a 3 from Schwieger and a great tip play to get a layup 3 seconds into the game. Also notable that the first half court play on offense tonight was again a Llewellyn post up on the opposing PG. Tigers have started 3 consecutive games with that play, and he's scored on every one of them

Knight's hit 2 tough mid range shots at the shot clock buzzer, but Tigers take a 12-6 lead into the U16

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 08:25 PM - Post#301290    
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Tigers are in a zone right now, opening up a 31-14 lead with 7 to play in Hanover. Langborg having a great run right now with some great defense and hit a deeeep 3. Friberg has 10

Defensive intensity has been great

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 08:38 PM - Post#301315    
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Dartmouth end the half on a 10-2 run to close the lead from 17 to 9 at halftime. Tigers take a 33-24 lead to the locker room.

Great start to the half, not great finish but still in good shape. Looks like the Big Red should knock off Brown up in Ithaca as they lead by 20 with 4 to play, which is a good result for Princeton for sure

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 08:57 PM - Post#301342    
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Just went final in Ithaca, Cornell knocks of Brown 63-45, holding Brown to just 0.75 PPP. Really impressive weekend for Earl and Co.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 09:09 PM - Post#301359    
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Llewellyn continues his excellent weekend, he's 3/4 from 3 tonight and has 13 overall. 47-35 Tiger lead at the U12 media, but RA has 3 fouls and the Tigers are struggling to guard Chris Knight without him.

Wonder if we'll get a Kellman or Barnes sighting to bring some size into the game

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 09:17 PM - Post#301374    
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Knight really starting to kill the Tigers as Aririguzoh picks up foul #4 with 8 minutes still to play. 50-42 Tigers after another Llewellyn 3

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 09:23 PM - Post#301392    
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Tigers looking pretty ugly on both ends without Aririguzoh on the court and the lead is down to 53-50 with 5:38 to play

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 09:29 PM - Post#301403    
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Some much needed 3s from JL and Schwieger bring it back to a 61-54 lead with 3 to play. Surprised Dartmouth hasn't posted up Knight on RA, who is playing with 4 fouls

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 09:29 PM - Post#301405    
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JL up to 5/6 from 3 and has 19 tonight. Wright 0/6 from 3 tonight, has had some looks barely rim out

Edited by welcometothejungle on 02-22-20 09:30 PM. Reason for edit: No reason given.

 
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02-22-20 09:34 PM - Post#301413    
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Defense really struggling right now as Dartmouth is getting a ton of layups. 63-60 Tigers with 53 seconds left, both RA and Knight have 4 fouls and one on either of them could decide the game

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-22-20 09:45 PM - Post#301435    
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Welp, just about as ugly as it can get but the Tigers get a much needed win, complete with a 5 second violation and an airballed FT, but the win is all that matters. Tigers escape 65-62, JL finishes with 21 tonight. Could be a contender for Player of the Week this week with 22 last night as well

 
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02-22-20 09:55 PM - Post#301448    
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"Escape" seems to be the magic word for everyone, every weekend, this season.

 
bradley 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-22-20 10:50 PM - Post#301458    
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Tigers played very well thru first 15 minutes with 31-14 on the road. Knight had 8 of the 14 points but only 2 pts against Arirguzoh. They then hit the snooze button. Fortunate that they won. Most enjoyable part of the game was listening to the Dartmouth broadcaster pronounce Richmond and Ryan's last names -- classic.

I doubt if I understand the tie breaker rules but I guess that the Tigers have the first tiebreaker with Penn in addition to a 2 game lead but as we know anything can happen with the wackiness of IvyMadness.

Jaelin had a very good weekend. Ryan needs to get healthy. Brown is probably the most important game left. B. Earl can simply coach.

 
iogyhufi 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 12:14 AM - Post#301469    
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The first tiebreaker is head-to-head record, so Princeton will always win a tie with Penn. Princeton's magic number to clinch an IL tourney spot is therefore 2 (some combo of Princeton wins and Penn losses). Since Princeton closes the year with Columbia and Cornell at home, the prognosis seems good for that.

 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 08:20 AM - Post#301478    
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According to Mike James, based on Penn & Brown losing, we now have >99% chance of making the tournament.

I of course would still like to win the regular season, but it seems unlikely.

Also, it seems most likely we will meet Harvard in the first game of the tournament, unless we fade badly and make the tournament as a 4 seed.

Wow. Harvard redux redux.

 
bradley 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 09:14 AM - Post#301481    
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  • 1LotteryPick1969 Said:
According to Mike James, based on Penn & Brown losing, we now have >99% chance of making the tournament.

I of course would still like to win the regular season, but it seems unlikely.

Also, it seems most likely we will meet Harvard in the first game of the tournament, unless we fade badly and make the tournament as a 4 seed.

Wow. Harvard redux redux.




This Tiger team has shown remarkable resiliency after a somewhat disastrous non-conference play, last weekend's blowout at home to Yale, and the heartbreaking loss to Harvard on Friday night. The early season back to back wins against Penn along with the wins against Brown and Dartmouth demonstrates that they are mentally tough and Mitch/coaching staff deserves credit. Remarkably, they still have an opportunity to tie for the regular season crown but they will have to play their best basketball over the remaining two weeks.

The IL regular season crown is challenging to win especially in this crazy year. Yale followed by Harvard are probably the two best teams but anything can still happen. The IL men remain a one bid league and to decide who represents the league at March Madness based on a weekend at Lavietes vs. the regular season is simply bizarre but it is what it is.

I also prefer that the Tigers somehow win or tie for the regular season crown vs. getting into the Big Dance the alternative way. Someone back when suggested that there really is little difference between the quality of a team that wins the regular season crown vs. winning a weekend tournament. That may be true, particularly this year, but there really is a big difference as to who deserves to represent the league.


 
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02-23-20 09:51 AM - Post#301484    
    In response to bradley

By the way, without Richmond, Rai and Knight were unstoppable. Does not bode well for next year.

 
welcometothejungle 
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02-23-20 10:05 AM - Post#301487    
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Knight was great last night, but is worth noting that the two most likely guys to get minutes at the 5 next season weren’t dressed, one being Kellman who hasn’t dressed since the Yale game with injury, and the other being Mason Hooks who is still in high school. Desrosiers is typically a serviceable post defender because of his strength but the issue last night was Knight getting most of his buckets off the pick and roll.

On Rai, that’s usually Schweiger’s matchup, but I think Schwieger wasn’t quite 100% and wouldn’t have been able to keep up with him. Friberg got burned by Rai several time, but I would’ve liked to have seen Evbuomwan on him a little bit to give some more size than Friberg presents.

 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 10:14 AM - Post#301488    
    In response to welcometothejungle

  • welcometothejungle Said:
I would’ve liked to have seen Evbuomwan on him a little bit to give some more size than Friberg presents.



Thanks for the reassuring analysis.

Am I inferring too much from Jacob O'connell's lack of meaningful minutes? And how much can we expect from a freshman big?

I would have liked to see Evbuomwan on Knight.

 
bradley 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 10:21 AM - Post#301490    
    In response to welcometothejungle

Friberg has played remarkably good, surprisingly so, defense this year other than last night as he had trouble with spin moves. Friberg's foul shot was concerning.

Arirguzoh gave up very few points one on one against Knight and the last defensive play was the most important one although he had to make a bit of a recovery as he was initially flat footed. Foul trouble on Arirguzoh in 2nd half really cost the Tigers as Dartmouth drove to the hoop.

 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 10:28 AM - Post#301493    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

We still control our fate for winning the important prize. Unlikely, as you say. Beat Yale at their place and then match records against other opponents. I’d gladly pass on the Tournament for that.🐅🙂

 
welcometothejungle 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 11:08 AM - Post#301499    
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I think O’Connell’s size makes him intriguing at least, but at the moment I can’t see him being much more than a bench big because of his limited size and athleticism. Kellman’s athleticism is off the charts, and in his brief minutes this season his aggression on both ends has really stood out.

On Hooks, it’s hard to say for certain that he can step in and contribute right away, as bigs typically have the toughest adjustments to college play. But given his size, his level of competition in HS, and the fact that he’s been the guy on a very good national level HS team give me a lot of reasons to think he’s going to get a lot of minutes next season

 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 01:04 PM - Post#301519    
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  • bradley Said:
Friberg's foul shot was concerning.




To say the least.

It did not cost us the game. I hope he learns from that. Shoot it with your legs, man.


 
welcometothejungle 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 01:56 PM - Post#301524    
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  • welcometothejungle Said:
I think O’Connell’s size makes him intriguing at least, but at the moment I can’t see him being much more than a bench big because of his limited size and athleticism.



Oops, this should say speed and athleticism

 
Dial Lodge 
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02-23-20 02:23 PM - Post#301533    
    In response to welcometothejungle

I was at the game (Dartmouth's gym gives you an incredibly close view of the game, by the way - it's small and rarely more than a third full).

One missed foul shot in the context of an entire game was not that concerning.

Most disturbing was Princeton's inside defense. Lots of defensible layups were dropped in, seemingly at will. Although we do have to give Dartmouth credit, Dartmouth is a long ways from having the best inside guys in the league. Not sure what happened, but Princeton got sloppy. There were unforced turnovers we were unable to stop Dartmouth inside in the last 10 or 15 minutes.

It could be that Princeton was worn out by the Harvard game the night before.

Hopefully, it was a blip and Henderson can get them back on track

 
Naismith 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-23-20 07:33 PM - Post#301584    
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Tiger 69, We appear to be on the same page except you have been totally spoiled by legendary back-door Pete and associates for 40 years. I've loved following Ivy basketball especially since the 6 sisters finally started pushing back against the P's. And, since 1956, the brand has been the travel partners and 6 weeks of back-to-back competition that no other league in America even has the guts to attempt to determine its champion. And that now appears to be on the ropes. What a shame that the team that survives this increible season will have to prove itself again over two days. Finally, don't you love the trophy the size of the Stanley Cup that is presented to the champion of 48-hours. And the league champion or co-champs wind up which may as well be a participation trophy. That's the ultimate negative message emanating from this ridiculous post-season circus.

 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-24-20 11:18 AM - Post#301614    
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  • Naismith Said:
Tiger 69, We appear to be on the same page except you have been totally spoiled by legendary back-door Pete and associates for 40 years. I've loved following Ivy basketball especially since the 6 sisters finally started pushing back against the P's. And, since 1956, the brand has been the travel partners and 6 weeks of back-to-back competition that no other league in America even has the guts to attempt to determine its champion. And that now appears to be on the ropes. What a shame that the team that survives this increible season will have to prove itself again over two days. Finally, don't you love the trophy the size of the Stanley Cup that is presented to the champion of 48-hours. And the league champion or co-champs wind up which may as well be a participation trophy. That's the ultimate negative message emanating from this ridiculous post-season circus.



It's not my impression that anyone wants to go back to these days:

https://www.courant.com/sports/college/hc-yal e-nit...



 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-24-20 02:57 PM - Post#301644    
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You are deliberately misunderstanding his point and my original suggestion: The NCAA bid should go to the regular season champ. The silly tourney should simply allow a lesser team to showboat for an NIT bid. In 2015 Yale, perhaps should have gotten an NIT bid. But Harvard clearly deserved the NCAA bid. But they won it in the lesser process. Had Yale won the Tourney the best team (Harvard) would have gone to the lesser postseason.🤪🐅

 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-24-20 03:28 PM - Post#301653    
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  • Tiger69 Said:
Had Yale won the [playoff] the best team (Harvard) would have gone to the lesser postseason.🤪🐅



Really? You're positive Harvard would have gotten an invite?

Or would they have suffered the same fate as Yale?

And do you really want to find out? Because that's what would happen onward if we return to the old ways...




 
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02-24-20 05:25 PM - Post#301670    
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So you are saying that the NCAA was the one that determined that the Tourney winner got the bid rather than the Ivy Champ? If true, that is yet another reason to get rid of the damn tourney and return to sending the season Champ that earns the spot by proving its merit over 14 games rather than 2.

 
Dial Lodge 
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02-24-20 09:29 PM - Post#301692    
    In response to Tiger69

I vote with Tiger69. Send the regular season winner to the NCAA Tournament.

But I don't get a vote.

 
Naismith 
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02-24-20 10:56 PM - Post#301696    
    In response to Dial Lodge

Yes, and I still believe the NCAA/ESPN deprived Yale of a NIT bid the year they lost to Harvard in the playoff game because the League would not run a tournament.
This is the smallest D-1 league in the NCAA and is a permanent one-bid operation. Overall this league is quite exciting this year, but when that Ken Pom thing has Yale at 51, then Harvard 2nd at 114 and Penn at 149 despite 2 losses to 177 Princeton, you certainly have no claim to be anything but mediocre in the big picture. (Is that Pom guy a Yale grad?).
The only thing these League administrators got right in its "change everything at all cost" was the travel partners playing the final game each season.

 
bradley 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-27-20 10:35 AM - Post#301927    
    In response to Tiger69

Mitch discussed this past weekend in New England on his radio show. He was disappointed that the Tigers fell just short at Harvard as the play was there at the end of the game but the pass fell just short of Arirguzoh for the game winner. He also knows that the Tigers were lucky to win the Dartmouth game especially in light of the second time this year that they were unable to execute an inbound pass. Mitch stated that it was a problem that Schwieger was not on the floor for the in bound play as well as for most of the weekend. He was proud how they played and gave special recognition to Llewellyn who apparently is stepping up more as a leader.

Going into the weekend, he thought that both games would come down to 3 to 4 plays that would be made or not made. He really made no distinction as to Harvard or Dartmouth as each opponent is so tough on their homecourt.

Commented how tough both games will be this weekend and you get a feeling that they will play very hard and tough against Yale although the Brown game is probably more important if one cares about IvyMadness.

Langborg was on the show -- nice kid who sounds like a freshmen. His challenge, as he describes, is playing defense at this level. It made little sense that Mitch started him over Wright at the beginning of the year in non-conference play.

 
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Re: Dartmouth
02-27-20 01:17 PM - Post#301939    
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Thanks for the summary!

 
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02-27-20 03:45 PM - Post#301967    
    In response to 1LotteryPick1969

Given their last game vs the Ps, one hopes that Yale will be looking more at Penn this weekend. We will be a very long shot.🐅

 
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